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The US has a (self-imposed) reputation of being a supremely democratic and free country.



However, unlike many other democratic countries on the planet, the US has never had any national referendums.



How come? If these are not allowed, what is the logic behind that?



Although referendums can be a dangerous thing (see Brexit), almost every democratic country on the planet agrees that if properly held and if requiring a proper majority (at least a two-third majority), referendums are the perfect way to advance the interests of the public.



Why does the US disagree?










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    almost every democratic country on the planet agrees that if properly held and if requiring a proper majority (at least a two-third majority), referendums are the perfect way to advance the interests of the public Really? Do you have a citation for that, in particular about the "almost every democratic country" part?

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    @Name Do you have a citation for the assertion that "most countries have referendums" or "more democratic countries have referendums"?

    – owjburnham
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  • "The US has a (self-imposed) reputation of being a supremely democratic..." You're right that many or most Americans see it this way, but it would be interesting to trace back where it comes from. At it's founding, it was not designed to be "supremely" democratic, but to be somewhat democratic. There is a great deal in the Constitution tying the hands of the government and limiting the power of the general populace to gang up on any particular target citizens. It must have been a popular idea by the time the Senate was changed to direct election.

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The US has a (self-imposed) reputation of being a supremely democratic and free country.



However, unlike many other democratic countries on the planet, the US has never had any national referendums.



How come? If these are not allowed, what is the logic behind that?



Although referendums can be a dangerous thing (see Brexit), almost every democratic country on the planet agrees that if properly held and if requiring a proper majority (at least a two-third majority), referendums are the perfect way to advance the interests of the public.



Why does the US disagree?










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    almost every democratic country on the planet agrees that if properly held and if requiring a proper majority (at least a two-third majority), referendums are the perfect way to advance the interests of the public Really? Do you have a citation for that, in particular about the "almost every democratic country" part?

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    10 hours ago








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    @Name Do you have a citation for the assertion that "most countries have referendums" or "more democratic countries have referendums"?

    – owjburnham
    9 hours ago











  • "The US has a (self-imposed) reputation of being a supremely democratic..." You're right that many or most Americans see it this way, but it would be interesting to trace back where it comes from. At it's founding, it was not designed to be "supremely" democratic, but to be somewhat democratic. There is a great deal in the Constitution tying the hands of the government and limiting the power of the general populace to gang up on any particular target citizens. It must have been a popular idea by the time the Senate was changed to direct election.

    – jpmc26
    2 hours ago
















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The US has a (self-imposed) reputation of being a supremely democratic and free country.



However, unlike many other democratic countries on the planet, the US has never had any national referendums.



How come? If these are not allowed, what is the logic behind that?



Although referendums can be a dangerous thing (see Brexit), almost every democratic country on the planet agrees that if properly held and if requiring a proper majority (at least a two-third majority), referendums are the perfect way to advance the interests of the public.



Why does the US disagree?










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The US has a (self-imposed) reputation of being a supremely democratic and free country.



However, unlike many other democratic countries on the planet, the US has never had any national referendums.



How come? If these are not allowed, what is the logic behind that?



Although referendums can be a dangerous thing (see Brexit), almost every democratic country on the planet agrees that if properly held and if requiring a proper majority (at least a two-third majority), referendums are the perfect way to advance the interests of the public.



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    almost every democratic country on the planet agrees that if properly held and if requiring a proper majority (at least a two-third majority), referendums are the perfect way to advance the interests of the public Really? Do you have a citation for that, in particular about the "almost every democratic country" part?

    – Abigail
    10 hours ago








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    @Name Do you have a citation for the assertion that "most countries have referendums" or "more democratic countries have referendums"?

    – owjburnham
    9 hours ago











  • "The US has a (self-imposed) reputation of being a supremely democratic..." You're right that many or most Americans see it this way, but it would be interesting to trace back where it comes from. At it's founding, it was not designed to be "supremely" democratic, but to be somewhat democratic. There is a great deal in the Constitution tying the hands of the government and limiting the power of the general populace to gang up on any particular target citizens. It must have been a popular idea by the time the Senate was changed to direct election.

    – jpmc26
    2 hours ago
















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    almost every democratic country on the planet agrees that if properly held and if requiring a proper majority (at least a two-third majority), referendums are the perfect way to advance the interests of the public Really? Do you have a citation for that, in particular about the "almost every democratic country" part?

    – Abigail
    10 hours ago








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    @Name Do you have a citation for the assertion that "most countries have referendums" or "more democratic countries have referendums"?

    – owjburnham
    9 hours ago











  • "The US has a (self-imposed) reputation of being a supremely democratic..." You're right that many or most Americans see it this way, but it would be interesting to trace back where it comes from. At it's founding, it was not designed to be "supremely" democratic, but to be somewhat democratic. There is a great deal in the Constitution tying the hands of the government and limiting the power of the general populace to gang up on any particular target citizens. It must have been a popular idea by the time the Senate was changed to direct election.

    – jpmc26
    2 hours ago










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almost every democratic country on the planet agrees that if properly held and if requiring a proper majority (at least a two-third majority), referendums are the perfect way to advance the interests of the public Really? Do you have a citation for that, in particular about the "almost every democratic country" part?

– Abigail
10 hours ago







almost every democratic country on the planet agrees that if properly held and if requiring a proper majority (at least a two-third majority), referendums are the perfect way to advance the interests of the public Really? Do you have a citation for that, in particular about the "almost every democratic country" part?

– Abigail
10 hours ago






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@Name Do you have a citation for the assertion that "most countries have referendums" or "more democratic countries have referendums"?

– owjburnham
9 hours ago





@Name Do you have a citation for the assertion that "most countries have referendums" or "more democratic countries have referendums"?

– owjburnham
9 hours ago













"The US has a (self-imposed) reputation of being a supremely democratic..." You're right that many or most Americans see it this way, but it would be interesting to trace back where it comes from. At it's founding, it was not designed to be "supremely" democratic, but to be somewhat democratic. There is a great deal in the Constitution tying the hands of the government and limiting the power of the general populace to gang up on any particular target citizens. It must have been a popular idea by the time the Senate was changed to direct election.

– jpmc26
2 hours ago







"The US has a (self-imposed) reputation of being a supremely democratic..." You're right that many or most Americans see it this way, but it would be interesting to trace back where it comes from. At it's founding, it was not designed to be "supremely" democratic, but to be somewhat democratic. There is a great deal in the Constitution tying the hands of the government and limiting the power of the general populace to gang up on any particular target citizens. It must have been a popular idea by the time the Senate was changed to direct election.

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The United States does have referendums at the state level and all 50 states have some power of referendum offered to the people (the most common being legislature prescribed referendums to the people of general laws, which all states have. Constitutional Amendments done in such fashion exist in every state but Delaware). Wikipedia lists the United States as an example of a (Semi-) Direct Democracy in it's article on the matter.



The lack of Federal Referendum comes from a number of reasons, but the most commonly cited one was the Founding Father's distrust of direct democracy, seeing the form as a mob rule at best. They wanted a government where no one branch of government had enough power to run roughshod over another branch, and that no majority could overrun a minority (you can see this in the design of such elements as the Separate but Equal Branches, the use of the Electoral College, the bicameral nature of Congress) that there was a concerted effort to protect the minority (in the sense of party politics... they still had slavery as a legal thing for the better part of 90 years). They didn't fight against the tyranny of Britain to establish their own tyranny... and they didn't all agree with each other and wanted to make the fight easier and less bloody than the last one they had.



Another reason is that, rules as written, the Federal Government wasn't supposed to be dealing with the citizens all that often... that was mostly done at the state level or even smaller community levels. The Federal Government was more supposed to deal with two broad areas of topics: interactions between the states, and interactions with other nations. As a federation, the United States government is pretty much on par with a more strict EU. Each state, upon independence, was originally seen as their own separate nation that collectively agreed to surrender certain duties of a nation (namely the ability to declare war, the ability to create diplomatic policy, and the ability to regulate commerce leaving their territory), but retained every other ability of a government bound by constitutions. If you didn't need to do business outside of the state... and you didn't need to do business outside the United States... and you didn't need to fight a war with another country, you really didn't have much business with the Federal Government. At best, your interaction with federal agents was getting your mail from the friendly neighborhood postman. In the modern nation, there are a few more interactions, but again, not terribly many for the ordinary citizen. The phrase "All politics is local" is true, as at most, any given U.S. Citizen will have three national level ballot questions: who do you want to represent your congressional district in the House, who do you want to represent your state in the Senate, and who do you want your state to give its Electoral College votes to for President... all three are asking local questions that don't rise beyond the state level.



Finally, there's the issue of size. Switzerland, which has direct democracy, has a population of 8 million people compared to the United States' 320 million people, or roughly 40 times the population of Switzerland. It's a lot of ballots to manage to make a popular national decision and would have been such a daunting task that it would have been nearly impossible to do until relatively recently. And like you said, Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people (the Swiss avoid this by imposing neutrality, thus it doesn't seek to have a lot of decision making that deals with international issues. The U.S. tried this too, but the first half of the 20th century had a nasty habit of bringing war to the States (not to mention there was a lot of popular support for joining the wars) and by the end of World War II, they got themselves locked in a game of chicken with the U.S.S.R. that required them to get involved with the world writ large... with varying degrees of success.






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    +1, But I do disagree with this statement, "Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people". There are several states in the U.S. that are larger than the UK and have tens of millions in population, and manage to have referendums all the time. It's not that logistically difficult. If you mean that you just didn't like the result, it could just as easily be argued that maybe it was a good idea that there was a Brexit referendum. To find out what people are thinking Now, before UKIP gets voted into a majority of Parliament. I prefer no-deal Brexit to that.

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    @ouflak: My statement is more that the foreign alliances/entanglements of a country should not be left to the masses to decide, more than anything. I'm not a citizen of the UK, so I mostly criticize Brexit because my country did Brexit better... but it's more for humor than anything. If I'm being fully serious about the matter, I don't have a horse in the race and don't really care how they resolve it.

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  • I do have a horse in the race, as I voted in the Brexit referendum, and I agree entirely that it was a question that should never have been asked. We're split roughly down the middle (out of those who voted), everyone on the remain "side" thinks the others are racist, and everyone on the leave "side" thinks the others are out of touch. It feels like entirely the wrong question was asked.

    – Adam Barnes
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  • Re some questions should not be asked: Funny you should say that. The Supreme Court of California did not allow a referendum on splitting the state into multiple smaller states to go forward in 2018, because it would be a "revision" to the fundamental structure of the state's government (which is not allowed under the referendum process).

    – Kevin
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  • In 1789 when the U.S. Constitution was adopted and in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was adopted, democratic government was in its infancy and national initiatives and referendums were basically unknown and distrusted. It is hard to amend the U.S. Constitution and no one ever got around to adding such provisions and came to see the difficulty of amendment as a feature rather than a bug since it was a bare bones document uncluttered with the junk found in constitutions that have this feature. Also, the U.S. also lacked the administrative capacity to conduct a direct nationwide election at first.

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The United States does have referendums at the state level and all 50 states have some power of referendum offered to the people (the most common being legislature prescribed referendums to the people of general laws, which all states have. Constitutional Amendments done in such fashion exist in every state but Delaware). Wikipedia lists the United States as an example of a (Semi-) Direct Democracy in it's article on the matter.



The lack of Federal Referendum comes from a number of reasons, but the most commonly cited one was the Founding Father's distrust of direct democracy, seeing the form as a mob rule at best. They wanted a government where no one branch of government had enough power to run roughshod over another branch, and that no majority could overrun a minority (you can see this in the design of such elements as the Separate but Equal Branches, the use of the Electoral College, the bicameral nature of Congress) that there was a concerted effort to protect the minority (in the sense of party politics... they still had slavery as a legal thing for the better part of 90 years). They didn't fight against the tyranny of Britain to establish their own tyranny... and they didn't all agree with each other and wanted to make the fight easier and less bloody than the last one they had.



Another reason is that, rules as written, the Federal Government wasn't supposed to be dealing with the citizens all that often... that was mostly done at the state level or even smaller community levels. The Federal Government was more supposed to deal with two broad areas of topics: interactions between the states, and interactions with other nations. As a federation, the United States government is pretty much on par with a more strict EU. Each state, upon independence, was originally seen as their own separate nation that collectively agreed to surrender certain duties of a nation (namely the ability to declare war, the ability to create diplomatic policy, and the ability to regulate commerce leaving their territory), but retained every other ability of a government bound by constitutions. If you didn't need to do business outside of the state... and you didn't need to do business outside the United States... and you didn't need to fight a war with another country, you really didn't have much business with the Federal Government. At best, your interaction with federal agents was getting your mail from the friendly neighborhood postman. In the modern nation, there are a few more interactions, but again, not terribly many for the ordinary citizen. The phrase "All politics is local" is true, as at most, any given U.S. Citizen will have three national level ballot questions: who do you want to represent your congressional district in the House, who do you want to represent your state in the Senate, and who do you want your state to give its Electoral College votes to for President... all three are asking local questions that don't rise beyond the state level.



Finally, there's the issue of size. Switzerland, which has direct democracy, has a population of 8 million people compared to the United States' 320 million people, or roughly 40 times the population of Switzerland. It's a lot of ballots to manage to make a popular national decision and would have been such a daunting task that it would have been nearly impossible to do until relatively recently. And like you said, Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people (the Swiss avoid this by imposing neutrality, thus it doesn't seek to have a lot of decision making that deals with international issues. The U.S. tried this too, but the first half of the 20th century had a nasty habit of bringing war to the States (not to mention there was a lot of popular support for joining the wars) and by the end of World War II, they got themselves locked in a game of chicken with the U.S.S.R. that required them to get involved with the world writ large... with varying degrees of success.






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    +1, But I do disagree with this statement, "Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people". There are several states in the U.S. that are larger than the UK and have tens of millions in population, and manage to have referendums all the time. It's not that logistically difficult. If you mean that you just didn't like the result, it could just as easily be argued that maybe it was a good idea that there was a Brexit referendum. To find out what people are thinking Now, before UKIP gets voted into a majority of Parliament. I prefer no-deal Brexit to that.

    – ouflak
    7 hours ago






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    @ouflak: My statement is more that the foreign alliances/entanglements of a country should not be left to the masses to decide, more than anything. I'm not a citizen of the UK, so I mostly criticize Brexit because my country did Brexit better... but it's more for humor than anything. If I'm being fully serious about the matter, I don't have a horse in the race and don't really care how they resolve it.

    – hszmv
    5 hours ago











  • I do have a horse in the race, as I voted in the Brexit referendum, and I agree entirely that it was a question that should never have been asked. We're split roughly down the middle (out of those who voted), everyone on the remain "side" thinks the others are racist, and everyone on the leave "side" thinks the others are out of touch. It feels like entirely the wrong question was asked.

    – Adam Barnes
    3 hours ago











  • Re some questions should not be asked: Funny you should say that. The Supreme Court of California did not allow a referendum on splitting the state into multiple smaller states to go forward in 2018, because it would be a "revision" to the fundamental structure of the state's government (which is not allowed under the referendum process).

    – Kevin
    2 hours ago













  • In 1789 when the U.S. Constitution was adopted and in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was adopted, democratic government was in its infancy and national initiatives and referendums were basically unknown and distrusted. It is hard to amend the U.S. Constitution and no one ever got around to adding such provisions and came to see the difficulty of amendment as a feature rather than a bug since it was a bare bones document uncluttered with the junk found in constitutions that have this feature. Also, the U.S. also lacked the administrative capacity to conduct a direct nationwide election at first.

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The United States does have referendums at the state level and all 50 states have some power of referendum offered to the people (the most common being legislature prescribed referendums to the people of general laws, which all states have. Constitutional Amendments done in such fashion exist in every state but Delaware). Wikipedia lists the United States as an example of a (Semi-) Direct Democracy in it's article on the matter.



The lack of Federal Referendum comes from a number of reasons, but the most commonly cited one was the Founding Father's distrust of direct democracy, seeing the form as a mob rule at best. They wanted a government where no one branch of government had enough power to run roughshod over another branch, and that no majority could overrun a minority (you can see this in the design of such elements as the Separate but Equal Branches, the use of the Electoral College, the bicameral nature of Congress) that there was a concerted effort to protect the minority (in the sense of party politics... they still had slavery as a legal thing for the better part of 90 years). They didn't fight against the tyranny of Britain to establish their own tyranny... and they didn't all agree with each other and wanted to make the fight easier and less bloody than the last one they had.



Another reason is that, rules as written, the Federal Government wasn't supposed to be dealing with the citizens all that often... that was mostly done at the state level or even smaller community levels. The Federal Government was more supposed to deal with two broad areas of topics: interactions between the states, and interactions with other nations. As a federation, the United States government is pretty much on par with a more strict EU. Each state, upon independence, was originally seen as their own separate nation that collectively agreed to surrender certain duties of a nation (namely the ability to declare war, the ability to create diplomatic policy, and the ability to regulate commerce leaving their territory), but retained every other ability of a government bound by constitutions. If you didn't need to do business outside of the state... and you didn't need to do business outside the United States... and you didn't need to fight a war with another country, you really didn't have much business with the Federal Government. At best, your interaction with federal agents was getting your mail from the friendly neighborhood postman. In the modern nation, there are a few more interactions, but again, not terribly many for the ordinary citizen. The phrase "All politics is local" is true, as at most, any given U.S. Citizen will have three national level ballot questions: who do you want to represent your congressional district in the House, who do you want to represent your state in the Senate, and who do you want your state to give its Electoral College votes to for President... all three are asking local questions that don't rise beyond the state level.



Finally, there's the issue of size. Switzerland, which has direct democracy, has a population of 8 million people compared to the United States' 320 million people, or roughly 40 times the population of Switzerland. It's a lot of ballots to manage to make a popular national decision and would have been such a daunting task that it would have been nearly impossible to do until relatively recently. And like you said, Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people (the Swiss avoid this by imposing neutrality, thus it doesn't seek to have a lot of decision making that deals with international issues. The U.S. tried this too, but the first half of the 20th century had a nasty habit of bringing war to the States (not to mention there was a lot of popular support for joining the wars) and by the end of World War II, they got themselves locked in a game of chicken with the U.S.S.R. that required them to get involved with the world writ large... with varying degrees of success.






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    +1, But I do disagree with this statement, "Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people". There are several states in the U.S. that are larger than the UK and have tens of millions in population, and manage to have referendums all the time. It's not that logistically difficult. If you mean that you just didn't like the result, it could just as easily be argued that maybe it was a good idea that there was a Brexit referendum. To find out what people are thinking Now, before UKIP gets voted into a majority of Parliament. I prefer no-deal Brexit to that.

    – ouflak
    7 hours ago






  • 2





    @ouflak: My statement is more that the foreign alliances/entanglements of a country should not be left to the masses to decide, more than anything. I'm not a citizen of the UK, so I mostly criticize Brexit because my country did Brexit better... but it's more for humor than anything. If I'm being fully serious about the matter, I don't have a horse in the race and don't really care how they resolve it.

    – hszmv
    5 hours ago











  • I do have a horse in the race, as I voted in the Brexit referendum, and I agree entirely that it was a question that should never have been asked. We're split roughly down the middle (out of those who voted), everyone on the remain "side" thinks the others are racist, and everyone on the leave "side" thinks the others are out of touch. It feels like entirely the wrong question was asked.

    – Adam Barnes
    3 hours ago











  • Re some questions should not be asked: Funny you should say that. The Supreme Court of California did not allow a referendum on splitting the state into multiple smaller states to go forward in 2018, because it would be a "revision" to the fundamental structure of the state's government (which is not allowed under the referendum process).

    – Kevin
    2 hours ago













  • In 1789 when the U.S. Constitution was adopted and in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was adopted, democratic government was in its infancy and national initiatives and referendums were basically unknown and distrusted. It is hard to amend the U.S. Constitution and no one ever got around to adding such provisions and came to see the difficulty of amendment as a feature rather than a bug since it was a bare bones document uncluttered with the junk found in constitutions that have this feature. Also, the U.S. also lacked the administrative capacity to conduct a direct nationwide election at first.

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    2 hours ago
















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The United States does have referendums at the state level and all 50 states have some power of referendum offered to the people (the most common being legislature prescribed referendums to the people of general laws, which all states have. Constitutional Amendments done in such fashion exist in every state but Delaware). Wikipedia lists the United States as an example of a (Semi-) Direct Democracy in it's article on the matter.



The lack of Federal Referendum comes from a number of reasons, but the most commonly cited one was the Founding Father's distrust of direct democracy, seeing the form as a mob rule at best. They wanted a government where no one branch of government had enough power to run roughshod over another branch, and that no majority could overrun a minority (you can see this in the design of such elements as the Separate but Equal Branches, the use of the Electoral College, the bicameral nature of Congress) that there was a concerted effort to protect the minority (in the sense of party politics... they still had slavery as a legal thing for the better part of 90 years). They didn't fight against the tyranny of Britain to establish their own tyranny... and they didn't all agree with each other and wanted to make the fight easier and less bloody than the last one they had.



Another reason is that, rules as written, the Federal Government wasn't supposed to be dealing with the citizens all that often... that was mostly done at the state level or even smaller community levels. The Federal Government was more supposed to deal with two broad areas of topics: interactions between the states, and interactions with other nations. As a federation, the United States government is pretty much on par with a more strict EU. Each state, upon independence, was originally seen as their own separate nation that collectively agreed to surrender certain duties of a nation (namely the ability to declare war, the ability to create diplomatic policy, and the ability to regulate commerce leaving their territory), but retained every other ability of a government bound by constitutions. If you didn't need to do business outside of the state... and you didn't need to do business outside the United States... and you didn't need to fight a war with another country, you really didn't have much business with the Federal Government. At best, your interaction with federal agents was getting your mail from the friendly neighborhood postman. In the modern nation, there are a few more interactions, but again, not terribly many for the ordinary citizen. The phrase "All politics is local" is true, as at most, any given U.S. Citizen will have three national level ballot questions: who do you want to represent your congressional district in the House, who do you want to represent your state in the Senate, and who do you want your state to give its Electoral College votes to for President... all three are asking local questions that don't rise beyond the state level.



Finally, there's the issue of size. Switzerland, which has direct democracy, has a population of 8 million people compared to the United States' 320 million people, or roughly 40 times the population of Switzerland. It's a lot of ballots to manage to make a popular national decision and would have been such a daunting task that it would have been nearly impossible to do until relatively recently. And like you said, Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people (the Swiss avoid this by imposing neutrality, thus it doesn't seek to have a lot of decision making that deals with international issues. The U.S. tried this too, but the first half of the 20th century had a nasty habit of bringing war to the States (not to mention there was a lot of popular support for joining the wars) and by the end of World War II, they got themselves locked in a game of chicken with the U.S.S.R. that required them to get involved with the world writ large... with varying degrees of success.






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The United States does have referendums at the state level and all 50 states have some power of referendum offered to the people (the most common being legislature prescribed referendums to the people of general laws, which all states have. Constitutional Amendments done in such fashion exist in every state but Delaware). Wikipedia lists the United States as an example of a (Semi-) Direct Democracy in it's article on the matter.



The lack of Federal Referendum comes from a number of reasons, but the most commonly cited one was the Founding Father's distrust of direct democracy, seeing the form as a mob rule at best. They wanted a government where no one branch of government had enough power to run roughshod over another branch, and that no majority could overrun a minority (you can see this in the design of such elements as the Separate but Equal Branches, the use of the Electoral College, the bicameral nature of Congress) that there was a concerted effort to protect the minority (in the sense of party politics... they still had slavery as a legal thing for the better part of 90 years). They didn't fight against the tyranny of Britain to establish their own tyranny... and they didn't all agree with each other and wanted to make the fight easier and less bloody than the last one they had.



Another reason is that, rules as written, the Federal Government wasn't supposed to be dealing with the citizens all that often... that was mostly done at the state level or even smaller community levels. The Federal Government was more supposed to deal with two broad areas of topics: interactions between the states, and interactions with other nations. As a federation, the United States government is pretty much on par with a more strict EU. Each state, upon independence, was originally seen as their own separate nation that collectively agreed to surrender certain duties of a nation (namely the ability to declare war, the ability to create diplomatic policy, and the ability to regulate commerce leaving their territory), but retained every other ability of a government bound by constitutions. If you didn't need to do business outside of the state... and you didn't need to do business outside the United States... and you didn't need to fight a war with another country, you really didn't have much business with the Federal Government. At best, your interaction with federal agents was getting your mail from the friendly neighborhood postman. In the modern nation, there are a few more interactions, but again, not terribly many for the ordinary citizen. The phrase "All politics is local" is true, as at most, any given U.S. Citizen will have three national level ballot questions: who do you want to represent your congressional district in the House, who do you want to represent your state in the Senate, and who do you want your state to give its Electoral College votes to for President... all three are asking local questions that don't rise beyond the state level.



Finally, there's the issue of size. Switzerland, which has direct democracy, has a population of 8 million people compared to the United States' 320 million people, or roughly 40 times the population of Switzerland. It's a lot of ballots to manage to make a popular national decision and would have been such a daunting task that it would have been nearly impossible to do until relatively recently. And like you said, Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people (the Swiss avoid this by imposing neutrality, thus it doesn't seek to have a lot of decision making that deals with international issues. The U.S. tried this too, but the first half of the 20th century had a nasty habit of bringing war to the States (not to mention there was a lot of popular support for joining the wars) and by the end of World War II, they got themselves locked in a game of chicken with the U.S.S.R. that required them to get involved with the world writ large... with varying degrees of success.







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    +1, But I do disagree with this statement, "Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people". There are several states in the U.S. that are larger than the UK and have tens of millions in population, and manage to have referendums all the time. It's not that logistically difficult. If you mean that you just didn't like the result, it could just as easily be argued that maybe it was a good idea that there was a Brexit referendum. To find out what people are thinking Now, before UKIP gets voted into a majority of Parliament. I prefer no-deal Brexit to that.

    – ouflak
    7 hours ago






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    @ouflak: My statement is more that the foreign alliances/entanglements of a country should not be left to the masses to decide, more than anything. I'm not a citizen of the UK, so I mostly criticize Brexit because my country did Brexit better... but it's more for humor than anything. If I'm being fully serious about the matter, I don't have a horse in the race and don't really care how they resolve it.

    – hszmv
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  • I do have a horse in the race, as I voted in the Brexit referendum, and I agree entirely that it was a question that should never have been asked. We're split roughly down the middle (out of those who voted), everyone on the remain "side" thinks the others are racist, and everyone on the leave "side" thinks the others are out of touch. It feels like entirely the wrong question was asked.

    – Adam Barnes
    3 hours ago











  • Re some questions should not be asked: Funny you should say that. The Supreme Court of California did not allow a referendum on splitting the state into multiple smaller states to go forward in 2018, because it would be a "revision" to the fundamental structure of the state's government (which is not allowed under the referendum process).

    – Kevin
    2 hours ago













  • In 1789 when the U.S. Constitution was adopted and in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was adopted, democratic government was in its infancy and national initiatives and referendums were basically unknown and distrusted. It is hard to amend the U.S. Constitution and no one ever got around to adding such provisions and came to see the difficulty of amendment as a feature rather than a bug since it was a bare bones document uncluttered with the junk found in constitutions that have this feature. Also, the U.S. also lacked the administrative capacity to conduct a direct nationwide election at first.

    – ohwilleke
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    +1, But I do disagree with this statement, "Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people". There are several states in the U.S. that are larger than the UK and have tens of millions in population, and manage to have referendums all the time. It's not that logistically difficult. If you mean that you just didn't like the result, it could just as easily be argued that maybe it was a good idea that there was a Brexit referendum. To find out what people are thinking Now, before UKIP gets voted into a majority of Parliament. I prefer no-deal Brexit to that.

    – ouflak
    7 hours ago






  • 2





    @ouflak: My statement is more that the foreign alliances/entanglements of a country should not be left to the masses to decide, more than anything. I'm not a citizen of the UK, so I mostly criticize Brexit because my country did Brexit better... but it's more for humor than anything. If I'm being fully serious about the matter, I don't have a horse in the race and don't really care how they resolve it.

    – hszmv
    5 hours ago











  • I do have a horse in the race, as I voted in the Brexit referendum, and I agree entirely that it was a question that should never have been asked. We're split roughly down the middle (out of those who voted), everyone on the remain "side" thinks the others are racist, and everyone on the leave "side" thinks the others are out of touch. It feels like entirely the wrong question was asked.

    – Adam Barnes
    3 hours ago











  • Re some questions should not be asked: Funny you should say that. The Supreme Court of California did not allow a referendum on splitting the state into multiple smaller states to go forward in 2018, because it would be a "revision" to the fundamental structure of the state's government (which is not allowed under the referendum process).

    – Kevin
    2 hours ago













  • In 1789 when the U.S. Constitution was adopted and in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was adopted, democratic government was in its infancy and national initiatives and referendums were basically unknown and distrusted. It is hard to amend the U.S. Constitution and no one ever got around to adding such provisions and came to see the difficulty of amendment as a feature rather than a bug since it was a bare bones document uncluttered with the junk found in constitutions that have this feature. Also, the U.S. also lacked the administrative capacity to conduct a direct nationwide election at first.

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+1, But I do disagree with this statement, "Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people". There are several states in the U.S. that are larger than the UK and have tens of millions in population, and manage to have referendums all the time. It's not that logistically difficult. If you mean that you just didn't like the result, it could just as easily be argued that maybe it was a good idea that there was a Brexit referendum. To find out what people are thinking Now, before UKIP gets voted into a majority of Parliament. I prefer no-deal Brexit to that.

– ouflak
7 hours ago





+1, But I do disagree with this statement, "Brexit is a good argument on why certain questions shouldn't be punted to the people". There are several states in the U.S. that are larger than the UK and have tens of millions in population, and manage to have referendums all the time. It's not that logistically difficult. If you mean that you just didn't like the result, it could just as easily be argued that maybe it was a good idea that there was a Brexit referendum. To find out what people are thinking Now, before UKIP gets voted into a majority of Parliament. I prefer no-deal Brexit to that.

– ouflak
7 hours ago




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@ouflak: My statement is more that the foreign alliances/entanglements of a country should not be left to the masses to decide, more than anything. I'm not a citizen of the UK, so I mostly criticize Brexit because my country did Brexit better... but it's more for humor than anything. If I'm being fully serious about the matter, I don't have a horse in the race and don't really care how they resolve it.

– hszmv
5 hours ago





@ouflak: My statement is more that the foreign alliances/entanglements of a country should not be left to the masses to decide, more than anything. I'm not a citizen of the UK, so I mostly criticize Brexit because my country did Brexit better... but it's more for humor than anything. If I'm being fully serious about the matter, I don't have a horse in the race and don't really care how they resolve it.

– hszmv
5 hours ago













I do have a horse in the race, as I voted in the Brexit referendum, and I agree entirely that it was a question that should never have been asked. We're split roughly down the middle (out of those who voted), everyone on the remain "side" thinks the others are racist, and everyone on the leave "side" thinks the others are out of touch. It feels like entirely the wrong question was asked.

– Adam Barnes
3 hours ago





I do have a horse in the race, as I voted in the Brexit referendum, and I agree entirely that it was a question that should never have been asked. We're split roughly down the middle (out of those who voted), everyone on the remain "side" thinks the others are racist, and everyone on the leave "side" thinks the others are out of touch. It feels like entirely the wrong question was asked.

– Adam Barnes
3 hours ago













Re some questions should not be asked: Funny you should say that. The Supreme Court of California did not allow a referendum on splitting the state into multiple smaller states to go forward in 2018, because it would be a "revision" to the fundamental structure of the state's government (which is not allowed under the referendum process).

– Kevin
2 hours ago







Re some questions should not be asked: Funny you should say that. The Supreme Court of California did not allow a referendum on splitting the state into multiple smaller states to go forward in 2018, because it would be a "revision" to the fundamental structure of the state's government (which is not allowed under the referendum process).

– Kevin
2 hours ago















In 1789 when the U.S. Constitution was adopted and in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was adopted, democratic government was in its infancy and national initiatives and referendums were basically unknown and distrusted. It is hard to amend the U.S. Constitution and no one ever got around to adding such provisions and came to see the difficulty of amendment as a feature rather than a bug since it was a bare bones document uncluttered with the junk found in constitutions that have this feature. Also, the U.S. also lacked the administrative capacity to conduct a direct nationwide election at first.

– ohwilleke
2 hours ago







In 1789 when the U.S. Constitution was adopted and in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was adopted, democratic government was in its infancy and national initiatives and referendums were basically unknown and distrusted. It is hard to amend the U.S. Constitution and no one ever got around to adding such provisions and came to see the difficulty of amendment as a feature rather than a bug since it was a bare bones document uncluttered with the junk found in constitutions that have this feature. Also, the U.S. also lacked the administrative capacity to conduct a direct nationwide election at first.

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