Is `x >> pure y` equivalent to `liftM (const y) x`
The two expressions
y >> pure x
liftM (const x) y
have the same type signature in Haskell.
I was curious whether they were equivalent, but I could neither produce a proof of the fact nor a counter example against it.
If we rewrite the two expressions so that we can eliminate the x
and y
then the question becomes whether the two following functions are equivalent
flip (>>) . pure
liftM . const
Note that both these functions have type Monad m => a -> m b -> m a
.
I used the laws that Haskell gives for monad, applicatives, and functors to transform both statements into various equivalent forms, but I was not able to produce a sequence of equivalences between the two.
For instance I found that y >> pure x
can be rewritten as follows
y >>= const (pure x)
y *> pure x
(id <$ y) <*> pure x
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
and liftM (const x) y
can be rewritten as follows
fmap (const x) y
pure (const x) <*> y
None of these spring out to me as necessarily equivalent, but I cannot think of any cases where they would not be equivalent.
haskell monads functor applicative
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The two expressions
y >> pure x
liftM (const x) y
have the same type signature in Haskell.
I was curious whether they were equivalent, but I could neither produce a proof of the fact nor a counter example against it.
If we rewrite the two expressions so that we can eliminate the x
and y
then the question becomes whether the two following functions are equivalent
flip (>>) . pure
liftM . const
Note that both these functions have type Monad m => a -> m b -> m a
.
I used the laws that Haskell gives for monad, applicatives, and functors to transform both statements into various equivalent forms, but I was not able to produce a sequence of equivalences between the two.
For instance I found that y >> pure x
can be rewritten as follows
y >>= const (pure x)
y *> pure x
(id <$ y) <*> pure x
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
and liftM (const x) y
can be rewritten as follows
fmap (const x) y
pure (const x) <*> y
None of these spring out to me as necessarily equivalent, but I cannot think of any cases where they would not be equivalent.
haskell monads functor applicative
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The two expressions
y >> pure x
liftM (const x) y
have the same type signature in Haskell.
I was curious whether they were equivalent, but I could neither produce a proof of the fact nor a counter example against it.
If we rewrite the two expressions so that we can eliminate the x
and y
then the question becomes whether the two following functions are equivalent
flip (>>) . pure
liftM . const
Note that both these functions have type Monad m => a -> m b -> m a
.
I used the laws that Haskell gives for monad, applicatives, and functors to transform both statements into various equivalent forms, but I was not able to produce a sequence of equivalences between the two.
For instance I found that y >> pure x
can be rewritten as follows
y >>= const (pure x)
y *> pure x
(id <$ y) <*> pure x
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
and liftM (const x) y
can be rewritten as follows
fmap (const x) y
pure (const x) <*> y
None of these spring out to me as necessarily equivalent, but I cannot think of any cases where they would not be equivalent.
haskell monads functor applicative
The two expressions
y >> pure x
liftM (const x) y
have the same type signature in Haskell.
I was curious whether they were equivalent, but I could neither produce a proof of the fact nor a counter example against it.
If we rewrite the two expressions so that we can eliminate the x
and y
then the question becomes whether the two following functions are equivalent
flip (>>) . pure
liftM . const
Note that both these functions have type Monad m => a -> m b -> m a
.
I used the laws that Haskell gives for monad, applicatives, and functors to transform both statements into various equivalent forms, but I was not able to produce a sequence of equivalences between the two.
For instance I found that y >> pure x
can be rewritten as follows
y >>= const (pure x)
y *> pure x
(id <$ y) <*> pure x
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
and liftM (const x) y
can be rewritten as follows
fmap (const x) y
pure (const x) <*> y
None of these spring out to me as necessarily equivalent, but I cannot think of any cases where they would not be equivalent.
haskell monads functor applicative
haskell monads functor applicative
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The other answer gets there eventually, but it takes a long-winded route. All that is actually needed are the definitions of liftM
, const
, and a single monad law: m1 >> m2
and m1 >>= _ -> m2
must be semantically identical. (Indeed, this is the default implementation of (>>)
, and it is rare to override it.) Then:
liftM (const x) y
= { definition of liftM* }
y >>= z -> pure (const x z)
= { definition of const }
y >>= z -> pure x
= { monad law }
y >> pure x
* Okay, okay, so the actual definition of liftM
uses return
instead of pure
. Whatever.
Interesting. For some reason I thought that the standard definition wasliftM = fmap
, with the more restrictive type. With the real definition above, the wanted equation is much simpler to obtain :)
– chi
4 hours ago
1
@chi Even without it things aren't too bad:fmap f m = m >>= return . f
is also a monad law (one of the oft-forgotten ones).
– Daniel Wagner
4 hours ago
3
That law itself follows from parametricity and the monad lawm >>= pure = m
.
– dfeuer
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes they are the same
Let's start with flip (>>) . pure
, which is the pointfree version of x >> pure y
you provide:
flip (>>) . pure
It is the case that flip (>>)
is just (=<<) . const
so we can rewrite this as:
((=<<) . const) . pure
Since function composition ((.)
) is associative we can write this as:
(=<<) . (const . pure)
Now we would like to rewrite const . pure
. We can notice that const
is just pure
on (a ->)
, that means since pure . pure
is fmap pure . pure
, const . pure
is (.) pure . const
, ((.)
is fmap
for the functor (a ->)
).
(=<<) . ((.) pure . const)
Now we associate again:
((=<<) . (.) pure) . const
((=<<) . (.) pure)
is the definition for liftM
1 so we can substitute:
liftM . const
And that is the goal. The two are the same.
1: The definition of liftM
is liftM f m1 = do { x1 <- m1; return (f x1) }
, we can desugar the do
into liftM f m1 = m1 >>= return . f
. We can flip the (>>=)
for liftM f m1 = return . f =<< m1
and elide the m1
to get liftM f = (return . f =<<)
a little pointfree magic and we get liftM = (=<<) . (.) return
1
Can you please add how you get fromconst . pure
tofmap pure . const
? Btw it might have been easier to start with(.)
right away instead of writingfmap
(and later explaining (figuring out?) whatFunctor
instance it belongs to).
– Bergi
2 hours ago
1
@Bergi Actually you are right, doing it earlier makes things simpler.
– Sriotchilism O'Zaic
2 hours ago
add a comment |
One more possible route, exploiting the applicative laws:
For instance I found that
y >> pure x
can be rewritten as follows [...]
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
That amounts to...
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
pure ($ x) <*> fmap (const id) y -- interchange law of applicatives
fmap ($ x) (fmap (const id) y) -- fmap in terms of <*>
fmap (($ x) . const id) y -- composition law of functors
fmap (const x) y
... which, as you noted, is the same as liftM (const x) y
.
That this route requires only applicative laws and not monad ones reflects how (*>)
(another name for (>>)
) is an Applicative
method.
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The other answer gets there eventually, but it takes a long-winded route. All that is actually needed are the definitions of liftM
, const
, and a single monad law: m1 >> m2
and m1 >>= _ -> m2
must be semantically identical. (Indeed, this is the default implementation of (>>)
, and it is rare to override it.) Then:
liftM (const x) y
= { definition of liftM* }
y >>= z -> pure (const x z)
= { definition of const }
y >>= z -> pure x
= { monad law }
y >> pure x
* Okay, okay, so the actual definition of liftM
uses return
instead of pure
. Whatever.
Interesting. For some reason I thought that the standard definition wasliftM = fmap
, with the more restrictive type. With the real definition above, the wanted equation is much simpler to obtain :)
– chi
4 hours ago
1
@chi Even without it things aren't too bad:fmap f m = m >>= return . f
is also a monad law (one of the oft-forgotten ones).
– Daniel Wagner
4 hours ago
3
That law itself follows from parametricity and the monad lawm >>= pure = m
.
– dfeuer
3 hours ago
add a comment |
The other answer gets there eventually, but it takes a long-winded route. All that is actually needed are the definitions of liftM
, const
, and a single monad law: m1 >> m2
and m1 >>= _ -> m2
must be semantically identical. (Indeed, this is the default implementation of (>>)
, and it is rare to override it.) Then:
liftM (const x) y
= { definition of liftM* }
y >>= z -> pure (const x z)
= { definition of const }
y >>= z -> pure x
= { monad law }
y >> pure x
* Okay, okay, so the actual definition of liftM
uses return
instead of pure
. Whatever.
Interesting. For some reason I thought that the standard definition wasliftM = fmap
, with the more restrictive type. With the real definition above, the wanted equation is much simpler to obtain :)
– chi
4 hours ago
1
@chi Even without it things aren't too bad:fmap f m = m >>= return . f
is also a monad law (one of the oft-forgotten ones).
– Daniel Wagner
4 hours ago
3
That law itself follows from parametricity and the monad lawm >>= pure = m
.
– dfeuer
3 hours ago
add a comment |
The other answer gets there eventually, but it takes a long-winded route. All that is actually needed are the definitions of liftM
, const
, and a single monad law: m1 >> m2
and m1 >>= _ -> m2
must be semantically identical. (Indeed, this is the default implementation of (>>)
, and it is rare to override it.) Then:
liftM (const x) y
= { definition of liftM* }
y >>= z -> pure (const x z)
= { definition of const }
y >>= z -> pure x
= { monad law }
y >> pure x
* Okay, okay, so the actual definition of liftM
uses return
instead of pure
. Whatever.
The other answer gets there eventually, but it takes a long-winded route. All that is actually needed are the definitions of liftM
, const
, and a single monad law: m1 >> m2
and m1 >>= _ -> m2
must be semantically identical. (Indeed, this is the default implementation of (>>)
, and it is rare to override it.) Then:
liftM (const x) y
= { definition of liftM* }
y >>= z -> pure (const x z)
= { definition of const }
y >>= z -> pure x
= { monad law }
y >> pure x
* Okay, okay, so the actual definition of liftM
uses return
instead of pure
. Whatever.
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Daniel WagnerDaniel Wagner
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Interesting. For some reason I thought that the standard definition wasliftM = fmap
, with the more restrictive type. With the real definition above, the wanted equation is much simpler to obtain :)
– chi
4 hours ago
1
@chi Even without it things aren't too bad:fmap f m = m >>= return . f
is also a monad law (one of the oft-forgotten ones).
– Daniel Wagner
4 hours ago
3
That law itself follows from parametricity and the monad lawm >>= pure = m
.
– dfeuer
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Interesting. For some reason I thought that the standard definition wasliftM = fmap
, with the more restrictive type. With the real definition above, the wanted equation is much simpler to obtain :)
– chi
4 hours ago
1
@chi Even without it things aren't too bad:fmap f m = m >>= return . f
is also a monad law (one of the oft-forgotten ones).
– Daniel Wagner
4 hours ago
3
That law itself follows from parametricity and the monad lawm >>= pure = m
.
– dfeuer
3 hours ago
Interesting. For some reason I thought that the standard definition was
liftM = fmap
, with the more restrictive type. With the real definition above, the wanted equation is much simpler to obtain :)– chi
4 hours ago
Interesting. For some reason I thought that the standard definition was
liftM = fmap
, with the more restrictive type. With the real definition above, the wanted equation is much simpler to obtain :)– chi
4 hours ago
1
1
@chi Even without it things aren't too bad:
fmap f m = m >>= return . f
is also a monad law (one of the oft-forgotten ones).– Daniel Wagner
4 hours ago
@chi Even without it things aren't too bad:
fmap f m = m >>= return . f
is also a monad law (one of the oft-forgotten ones).– Daniel Wagner
4 hours ago
3
3
That law itself follows from parametricity and the monad law
m >>= pure = m
.– dfeuer
3 hours ago
That law itself follows from parametricity and the monad law
m >>= pure = m
.– dfeuer
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes they are the same
Let's start with flip (>>) . pure
, which is the pointfree version of x >> pure y
you provide:
flip (>>) . pure
It is the case that flip (>>)
is just (=<<) . const
so we can rewrite this as:
((=<<) . const) . pure
Since function composition ((.)
) is associative we can write this as:
(=<<) . (const . pure)
Now we would like to rewrite const . pure
. We can notice that const
is just pure
on (a ->)
, that means since pure . pure
is fmap pure . pure
, const . pure
is (.) pure . const
, ((.)
is fmap
for the functor (a ->)
).
(=<<) . ((.) pure . const)
Now we associate again:
((=<<) . (.) pure) . const
((=<<) . (.) pure)
is the definition for liftM
1 so we can substitute:
liftM . const
And that is the goal. The two are the same.
1: The definition of liftM
is liftM f m1 = do { x1 <- m1; return (f x1) }
, we can desugar the do
into liftM f m1 = m1 >>= return . f
. We can flip the (>>=)
for liftM f m1 = return . f =<< m1
and elide the m1
to get liftM f = (return . f =<<)
a little pointfree magic and we get liftM = (=<<) . (.) return
1
Can you please add how you get fromconst . pure
tofmap pure . const
? Btw it might have been easier to start with(.)
right away instead of writingfmap
(and later explaining (figuring out?) whatFunctor
instance it belongs to).
– Bergi
2 hours ago
1
@Bergi Actually you are right, doing it earlier makes things simpler.
– Sriotchilism O'Zaic
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes they are the same
Let's start with flip (>>) . pure
, which is the pointfree version of x >> pure y
you provide:
flip (>>) . pure
It is the case that flip (>>)
is just (=<<) . const
so we can rewrite this as:
((=<<) . const) . pure
Since function composition ((.)
) is associative we can write this as:
(=<<) . (const . pure)
Now we would like to rewrite const . pure
. We can notice that const
is just pure
on (a ->)
, that means since pure . pure
is fmap pure . pure
, const . pure
is (.) pure . const
, ((.)
is fmap
for the functor (a ->)
).
(=<<) . ((.) pure . const)
Now we associate again:
((=<<) . (.) pure) . const
((=<<) . (.) pure)
is the definition for liftM
1 so we can substitute:
liftM . const
And that is the goal. The two are the same.
1: The definition of liftM
is liftM f m1 = do { x1 <- m1; return (f x1) }
, we can desugar the do
into liftM f m1 = m1 >>= return . f
. We can flip the (>>=)
for liftM f m1 = return . f =<< m1
and elide the m1
to get liftM f = (return . f =<<)
a little pointfree magic and we get liftM = (=<<) . (.) return
1
Can you please add how you get fromconst . pure
tofmap pure . const
? Btw it might have been easier to start with(.)
right away instead of writingfmap
(and later explaining (figuring out?) whatFunctor
instance it belongs to).
– Bergi
2 hours ago
1
@Bergi Actually you are right, doing it earlier makes things simpler.
– Sriotchilism O'Zaic
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes they are the same
Let's start with flip (>>) . pure
, which is the pointfree version of x >> pure y
you provide:
flip (>>) . pure
It is the case that flip (>>)
is just (=<<) . const
so we can rewrite this as:
((=<<) . const) . pure
Since function composition ((.)
) is associative we can write this as:
(=<<) . (const . pure)
Now we would like to rewrite const . pure
. We can notice that const
is just pure
on (a ->)
, that means since pure . pure
is fmap pure . pure
, const . pure
is (.) pure . const
, ((.)
is fmap
for the functor (a ->)
).
(=<<) . ((.) pure . const)
Now we associate again:
((=<<) . (.) pure) . const
((=<<) . (.) pure)
is the definition for liftM
1 so we can substitute:
liftM . const
And that is the goal. The two are the same.
1: The definition of liftM
is liftM f m1 = do { x1 <- m1; return (f x1) }
, we can desugar the do
into liftM f m1 = m1 >>= return . f
. We can flip the (>>=)
for liftM f m1 = return . f =<< m1
and elide the m1
to get liftM f = (return . f =<<)
a little pointfree magic and we get liftM = (=<<) . (.) return
Yes they are the same
Let's start with flip (>>) . pure
, which is the pointfree version of x >> pure y
you provide:
flip (>>) . pure
It is the case that flip (>>)
is just (=<<) . const
so we can rewrite this as:
((=<<) . const) . pure
Since function composition ((.)
) is associative we can write this as:
(=<<) . (const . pure)
Now we would like to rewrite const . pure
. We can notice that const
is just pure
on (a ->)
, that means since pure . pure
is fmap pure . pure
, const . pure
is (.) pure . const
, ((.)
is fmap
for the functor (a ->)
).
(=<<) . ((.) pure . const)
Now we associate again:
((=<<) . (.) pure) . const
((=<<) . (.) pure)
is the definition for liftM
1 so we can substitute:
liftM . const
And that is the goal. The two are the same.
1: The definition of liftM
is liftM f m1 = do { x1 <- m1; return (f x1) }
, we can desugar the do
into liftM f m1 = m1 >>= return . f
. We can flip the (>>=)
for liftM f m1 = return . f =<< m1
and elide the m1
to get liftM f = (return . f =<<)
a little pointfree magic and we get liftM = (=<<) . (.) return
edited 2 hours ago
answered 6 hours ago
Sriotchilism O'ZaicSriotchilism O'Zaic
823620
823620
1
Can you please add how you get fromconst . pure
tofmap pure . const
? Btw it might have been easier to start with(.)
right away instead of writingfmap
(and later explaining (figuring out?) whatFunctor
instance it belongs to).
– Bergi
2 hours ago
1
@Bergi Actually you are right, doing it earlier makes things simpler.
– Sriotchilism O'Zaic
2 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Can you please add how you get fromconst . pure
tofmap pure . const
? Btw it might have been easier to start with(.)
right away instead of writingfmap
(and later explaining (figuring out?) whatFunctor
instance it belongs to).
– Bergi
2 hours ago
1
@Bergi Actually you are right, doing it earlier makes things simpler.
– Sriotchilism O'Zaic
2 hours ago
1
1
Can you please add how you get from
const . pure
to fmap pure . const
? Btw it might have been easier to start with (.)
right away instead of writing fmap
(and later explaining (figuring out?) what Functor
instance it belongs to).– Bergi
2 hours ago
Can you please add how you get from
const . pure
to fmap pure . const
? Btw it might have been easier to start with (.)
right away instead of writing fmap
(and later explaining (figuring out?) what Functor
instance it belongs to).– Bergi
2 hours ago
1
1
@Bergi Actually you are right, doing it earlier makes things simpler.
– Sriotchilism O'Zaic
2 hours ago
@Bergi Actually you are right, doing it earlier makes things simpler.
– Sriotchilism O'Zaic
2 hours ago
add a comment |
One more possible route, exploiting the applicative laws:
For instance I found that
y >> pure x
can be rewritten as follows [...]
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
That amounts to...
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
pure ($ x) <*> fmap (const id) y -- interchange law of applicatives
fmap ($ x) (fmap (const id) y) -- fmap in terms of <*>
fmap (($ x) . const id) y -- composition law of functors
fmap (const x) y
... which, as you noted, is the same as liftM (const x) y
.
That this route requires only applicative laws and not monad ones reflects how (*>)
(another name for (>>)
) is an Applicative
method.
add a comment |
One more possible route, exploiting the applicative laws:
For instance I found that
y >> pure x
can be rewritten as follows [...]
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
That amounts to...
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
pure ($ x) <*> fmap (const id) y -- interchange law of applicatives
fmap ($ x) (fmap (const id) y) -- fmap in terms of <*>
fmap (($ x) . const id) y -- composition law of functors
fmap (const x) y
... which, as you noted, is the same as liftM (const x) y
.
That this route requires only applicative laws and not monad ones reflects how (*>)
(another name for (>>)
) is an Applicative
method.
add a comment |
One more possible route, exploiting the applicative laws:
For instance I found that
y >> pure x
can be rewritten as follows [...]
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
That amounts to...
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
pure ($ x) <*> fmap (const id) y -- interchange law of applicatives
fmap ($ x) (fmap (const id) y) -- fmap in terms of <*>
fmap (($ x) . const id) y -- composition law of functors
fmap (const x) y
... which, as you noted, is the same as liftM (const x) y
.
That this route requires only applicative laws and not monad ones reflects how (*>)
(another name for (>>)
) is an Applicative
method.
One more possible route, exploiting the applicative laws:
For instance I found that
y >> pure x
can be rewritten as follows [...]
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
That amounts to...
fmap (const id) y <*> pure x
pure ($ x) <*> fmap (const id) y -- interchange law of applicatives
fmap ($ x) (fmap (const id) y) -- fmap in terms of <*>
fmap (($ x) . const id) y -- composition law of functors
fmap (const x) y
... which, as you noted, is the same as liftM (const x) y
.
That this route requires only applicative laws and not monad ones reflects how (*>)
(another name for (>>)
) is an Applicative
method.
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answered 4 hours ago
duplodeduplode
23.1k44987
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