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Find the limit



$$large lim_{xto infty}(ln x)^{frac{20}x}$$



I understood that as x approached infinity, $20/x$ approached 0. This would mean that the limit would tend toward $1$. However, $ln x$ also approaches infinity as $x$ approaches infinity. Thus, I suspected the answer to be $1$ (and it indeed is the answer), however I feel like this answer is not sufficiently rigorous. How could I rigorously prove $1$ as the answer? Any ideas/hints would be appreciated.



Note: I am a highschooler and my teachers often tell me to take these answers in faith. Thus, I may not understand any fancy notations that may usually be used in solving limit.



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    Find the limit



    $$large lim_{xto infty}(ln x)^{frac{20}x}$$



    I understood that as x approached infinity, $20/x$ approached 0. This would mean that the limit would tend toward $1$. However, $ln x$ also approaches infinity as $x$ approaches infinity. Thus, I suspected the answer to be $1$ (and it indeed is the answer), however I feel like this answer is not sufficiently rigorous. How could I rigorously prove $1$ as the answer? Any ideas/hints would be appreciated.



    Note: I am a highschooler and my teachers often tell me to take these answers in faith. Thus, I may not understand any fancy notations that may usually be used in solving limit.



    Thanks!










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      Find the limit



      $$large lim_{xto infty}(ln x)^{frac{20}x}$$



      I understood that as x approached infinity, $20/x$ approached 0. This would mean that the limit would tend toward $1$. However, $ln x$ also approaches infinity as $x$ approaches infinity. Thus, I suspected the answer to be $1$ (and it indeed is the answer), however I feel like this answer is not sufficiently rigorous. How could I rigorously prove $1$ as the answer? Any ideas/hints would be appreciated.



      Note: I am a highschooler and my teachers often tell me to take these answers in faith. Thus, I may not understand any fancy notations that may usually be used in solving limit.



      Thanks!










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      Find the limit



      $$large lim_{xto infty}(ln x)^{frac{20}x}$$



      I understood that as x approached infinity, $20/x$ approached 0. This would mean that the limit would tend toward $1$. However, $ln x$ also approaches infinity as $x$ approaches infinity. Thus, I suspected the answer to be $1$ (and it indeed is the answer), however I feel like this answer is not sufficiently rigorous. How could I rigorously prove $1$ as the answer? Any ideas/hints would be appreciated.



      Note: I am a highschooler and my teachers often tell me to take these answers in faith. Thus, I may not understand any fancy notations that may usually be used in solving limit.



      Thanks!







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          The argument you use lacks the necessary rigour. With the same argument, you would conclude that $bigl(mathrm e^xbigr)^tfrac1xto 1$, yet $bigl(mathrm e^xbigr)^tfrac1x$ is Euler's number $mathrm e$!



          The below solutions are fine. However, as a highschooler, you might want a rigourous proof that $frac{ln(ln x)}{x}$ tends to $0$ as $x$ tends to $infty$. Here's a sketch of a simple proof:
          $$frac{ln(ln x)}{x}=underbrace{frac{ln(ln x)}{ln x}}_{begin{matrix}downarrow\0\text{(setting }u=ln x)end{matrix}}!!underbrace{frac{ln x}{x}}_{begin{matrix}downarrow\0end{matrix}} $$






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          • Thanks for the reply Bernard! Can you please follow through with that proof? I just used L Hospitals, but I'd be interested to see an alternate method.
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          First compute the limit of the logarithm of the expression. Indeed,
          $$
          frac{20}{x}times ln(ln x)to 0
          $$

          as $xto infty$. You can see this intuitively since $x$ grows much faster than $ln(ln x)$ or you can use L'Hospital's rule. In any case
          $$
          expleft(frac{20}{x}times ln(ln x)right)to 1
          $$

          as $xto infty$






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            HINT



            Use that



            $$large (ln x)^{frac{20}x}= e^{left[20frac{ln(ln x)}{x}right]}$$



            or as an alternative $$large (ln x)^{frac{20}x}=left[(ln x)^{1/ln x}right]^{frac{20ln x}x}$$






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              The argument you use lacks the necessary rigour. With the same argument, you would conclude that $bigl(mathrm e^xbigr)^tfrac1xto 1$, yet $bigl(mathrm e^xbigr)^tfrac1x$ is Euler's number $mathrm e$!



              The below solutions are fine. However, as a highschooler, you might want a rigourous proof that $frac{ln(ln x)}{x}$ tends to $0$ as $x$ tends to $infty$. Here's a sketch of a simple proof:
              $$frac{ln(ln x)}{x}=underbrace{frac{ln(ln x)}{ln x}}_{begin{matrix}downarrow\0\text{(setting }u=ln x)end{matrix}}!!underbrace{frac{ln x}{x}}_{begin{matrix}downarrow\0end{matrix}} $$






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              • Thanks for the reply Bernard! Can you please follow through with that proof? I just used L Hospitals, but I'd be interested to see an alternate method.
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              The argument you use lacks the necessary rigour. With the same argument, you would conclude that $bigl(mathrm e^xbigr)^tfrac1xto 1$, yet $bigl(mathrm e^xbigr)^tfrac1x$ is Euler's number $mathrm e$!



              The below solutions are fine. However, as a highschooler, you might want a rigourous proof that $frac{ln(ln x)}{x}$ tends to $0$ as $x$ tends to $infty$. Here's a sketch of a simple proof:
              $$frac{ln(ln x)}{x}=underbrace{frac{ln(ln x)}{ln x}}_{begin{matrix}downarrow\0\text{(setting }u=ln x)end{matrix}}!!underbrace{frac{ln x}{x}}_{begin{matrix}downarrow\0end{matrix}} $$






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              • Thanks for the reply Bernard! Can you please follow through with that proof? I just used L Hospitals, but I'd be interested to see an alternate method.
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              The argument you use lacks the necessary rigour. With the same argument, you would conclude that $bigl(mathrm e^xbigr)^tfrac1xto 1$, yet $bigl(mathrm e^xbigr)^tfrac1x$ is Euler's number $mathrm e$!



              The below solutions are fine. However, as a highschooler, you might want a rigourous proof that $frac{ln(ln x)}{x}$ tends to $0$ as $x$ tends to $infty$. Here's a sketch of a simple proof:
              $$frac{ln(ln x)}{x}=underbrace{frac{ln(ln x)}{ln x}}_{begin{matrix}downarrow\0\text{(setting }u=ln x)end{matrix}}!!underbrace{frac{ln x}{x}}_{begin{matrix}downarrow\0end{matrix}} $$






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              The argument you use lacks the necessary rigour. With the same argument, you would conclude that $bigl(mathrm e^xbigr)^tfrac1xto 1$, yet $bigl(mathrm e^xbigr)^tfrac1x$ is Euler's number $mathrm e$!



              The below solutions are fine. However, as a highschooler, you might want a rigourous proof that $frac{ln(ln x)}{x}$ tends to $0$ as $x$ tends to $infty$. Here's a sketch of a simple proof:
              $$frac{ln(ln x)}{x}=underbrace{frac{ln(ln x)}{ln x}}_{begin{matrix}downarrow\0\text{(setting }u=ln x)end{matrix}}!!underbrace{frac{ln x}{x}}_{begin{matrix}downarrow\0end{matrix}} $$







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              • Thanks for the reply Bernard! Can you please follow through with that proof? I just used L Hospitals, but I'd be interested to see an alternate method.
                – Dude156
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              • Thanks for the reply Bernard! Can you please follow through with that proof? I just used L Hospitals, but I'd be interested to see an alternate method.
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              Thanks for the reply Bernard! Can you please follow through with that proof? I just used L Hospitals, but I'd be interested to see an alternate method.
              – Dude156
              12 mins ago




              Thanks for the reply Bernard! Can you please follow through with that proof? I just used L Hospitals, but I'd be interested to see an alternate method.
              – Dude156
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              First compute the limit of the logarithm of the expression. Indeed,
              $$
              frac{20}{x}times ln(ln x)to 0
              $$

              as $xto infty$. You can see this intuitively since $x$ grows much faster than $ln(ln x)$ or you can use L'Hospital's rule. In any case
              $$
              expleft(frac{20}{x}times ln(ln x)right)to 1
              $$

              as $xto infty$






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                First compute the limit of the logarithm of the expression. Indeed,
                $$
                frac{20}{x}times ln(ln x)to 0
                $$

                as $xto infty$. You can see this intuitively since $x$ grows much faster than $ln(ln x)$ or you can use L'Hospital's rule. In any case
                $$
                expleft(frac{20}{x}times ln(ln x)right)to 1
                $$

                as $xto infty$






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                  First compute the limit of the logarithm of the expression. Indeed,
                  $$
                  frac{20}{x}times ln(ln x)to 0
                  $$

                  as $xto infty$. You can see this intuitively since $x$ grows much faster than $ln(ln x)$ or you can use L'Hospital's rule. In any case
                  $$
                  expleft(frac{20}{x}times ln(ln x)right)to 1
                  $$

                  as $xto infty$






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                  First compute the limit of the logarithm of the expression. Indeed,
                  $$
                  frac{20}{x}times ln(ln x)to 0
                  $$

                  as $xto infty$. You can see this intuitively since $x$ grows much faster than $ln(ln x)$ or you can use L'Hospital's rule. In any case
                  $$
                  expleft(frac{20}{x}times ln(ln x)right)to 1
                  $$

                  as $xto infty$







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                      HINT



                      Use that



                      $$large (ln x)^{frac{20}x}= e^{left[20frac{ln(ln x)}{x}right]}$$



                      or as an alternative $$large (ln x)^{frac{20}x}=left[(ln x)^{1/ln x}right]^{frac{20ln x}x}$$






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                        HINT



                        Use that



                        $$large (ln x)^{frac{20}x}= e^{left[20frac{ln(ln x)}{x}right]}$$



                        or as an alternative $$large (ln x)^{frac{20}x}=left[(ln x)^{1/ln x}right]^{frac{20ln x}x}$$






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                          Use that



                          $$large (ln x)^{frac{20}x}= e^{left[20frac{ln(ln x)}{x}right]}$$



                          or as an alternative $$large (ln x)^{frac{20}x}=left[(ln x)^{1/ln x}right]^{frac{20ln x}x}$$






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                          HINT



                          Use that



                          $$large (ln x)^{frac{20}x}= e^{left[20frac{ln(ln x)}{x}right]}$$



                          or as an alternative $$large (ln x)^{frac{20}x}=left[(ln x)^{1/ln x}right]^{frac{20ln x}x}$$







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