Unknown 1st cousin match who shares matches with both grandparents












6














I received notice of the following DNA match through Ancestry:




1,193 cM shared across 46 DNA segments, predicted relationship first
cousin, extremely high.




The next closest match is my nephew (1,562 cM across 58 segments) so this other match is pretty close.



I have only one known first cousin, as my mother (86) had one sister (79) who had one son (44). The age of this match is 31; I am 62. He and I share matches from BOTH my maternal grandmother and maternal grandfather's side. This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"!



Based on the amount of our shared DNA, is this match more likely the product of an unknown third child of my grandparents, born between my mother and my aunt, perhaps put up for adoption? Age-wise, this match could be that offspring's grandson, my 1C1R. Or, a child born out of wedlock to my aunt (possible, but I think I would have heard about) and this would be her grandson, also my 1C1R? Which makes most sense with the numbers, or are both possible?










share|improve this question









New contributor




LINDA is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.




















  • This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
    – Marzipanherz
    7 hours ago










  • No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
    – LINDA
    3 hours ago
















6














I received notice of the following DNA match through Ancestry:




1,193 cM shared across 46 DNA segments, predicted relationship first
cousin, extremely high.




The next closest match is my nephew (1,562 cM across 58 segments) so this other match is pretty close.



I have only one known first cousin, as my mother (86) had one sister (79) who had one son (44). The age of this match is 31; I am 62. He and I share matches from BOTH my maternal grandmother and maternal grandfather's side. This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"!



Based on the amount of our shared DNA, is this match more likely the product of an unknown third child of my grandparents, born between my mother and my aunt, perhaps put up for adoption? Age-wise, this match could be that offspring's grandson, my 1C1R. Or, a child born out of wedlock to my aunt (possible, but I think I would have heard about) and this would be her grandson, also my 1C1R? Which makes most sense with the numbers, or are both possible?










share|improve this question









New contributor




LINDA is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.




















  • This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
    – Marzipanherz
    7 hours ago










  • No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
    – LINDA
    3 hours ago














6












6








6


1





I received notice of the following DNA match through Ancestry:




1,193 cM shared across 46 DNA segments, predicted relationship first
cousin, extremely high.




The next closest match is my nephew (1,562 cM across 58 segments) so this other match is pretty close.



I have only one known first cousin, as my mother (86) had one sister (79) who had one son (44). The age of this match is 31; I am 62. He and I share matches from BOTH my maternal grandmother and maternal grandfather's side. This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"!



Based on the amount of our shared DNA, is this match more likely the product of an unknown third child of my grandparents, born between my mother and my aunt, perhaps put up for adoption? Age-wise, this match could be that offspring's grandson, my 1C1R. Or, a child born out of wedlock to my aunt (possible, but I think I would have heard about) and this would be her grandson, also my 1C1R? Which makes most sense with the numbers, or are both possible?










share|improve this question









New contributor




LINDA is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











I received notice of the following DNA match through Ancestry:




1,193 cM shared across 46 DNA segments, predicted relationship first
cousin, extremely high.




The next closest match is my nephew (1,562 cM across 58 segments) so this other match is pretty close.



I have only one known first cousin, as my mother (86) had one sister (79) who had one son (44). The age of this match is 31; I am 62. He and I share matches from BOTH my maternal grandmother and maternal grandfather's side. This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"!



Based on the amount of our shared DNA, is this match more likely the product of an unknown third child of my grandparents, born between my mother and my aunt, perhaps put up for adoption? Age-wise, this match could be that offspring's grandson, my 1C1R. Or, a child born out of wedlock to my aunt (possible, but I think I would have heard about) and this would be her grandson, also my 1C1R? Which makes most sense with the numbers, or are both possible?







autosomal-dna ancestry.com






share|improve this question









New contributor




LINDA is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.











share|improve this question









New contributor




LINDA is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited 9 hours ago









Cyn

875119




875119






New contributor




LINDA is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.









asked 11 hours ago









LINDALINDA

311




311




New contributor




LINDA is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.





New contributor





LINDA is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.






LINDA is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.












  • This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
    – Marzipanherz
    7 hours ago










  • No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
    – LINDA
    3 hours ago


















  • This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
    – Marzipanherz
    7 hours ago










  • No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
    – LINDA
    3 hours ago
















This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
– Marzipanherz
7 hours ago




This all screams "FAMILY SECRET"! Did your ancestors live in an area (countryside, island), where marriages between close relatives (e.g. cousins) were common? This might bring you genetically closer to relatives than usual...
– Marzipanherz
7 hours ago












No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
– LINDA
3 hours ago




No, that was not the case at all. We all lived in the city and very close to one another.
– LINDA
3 hours ago










1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes


















6














You're starting off with a doozy of a match. Yep, something's going on here.



Let's start with the shared cM project. Looking at the total cM match only, your possibilities for a 1,193 cM match include:




  • Great grandparent (range 464-1486)

  • Grandparent (1156-2311)

  • Half aunt/uncle (500-1446)

  • Great aunt/uncle (251-2108)

  • 1st cousin (553-1225)


We can rule out great grandparent based on your age difference with the match. Grandparent is not very likely but is possible...only if a child of yours (probably a son) had a child as a teen, who then had a child as a teen).



If you had a half sibling you didn't know about, this match could be their child, making you a half aunt.



If you had a full sibling you didn't know about, this could be that child's child, making you a great aunt.



If your mother had a half sibling you didn't know about, you could be their half niece. The age difference makes this extremely unlikely to the point of ruling it out. Your match can not be the child of your mother's half sibling because a half 1st cousin has a range of only 137-856 cM. You can also mostly rule out this possibility because your match shares matches with you for both sides of your mother's heritage. A half sibling of hers would not.



If your mother had a full sibling you didn't know about, a child of that sibling would be your 1st cousin and that would fit. That sibling would have to be younger than your mother. But your match can not be the grandchild of your mother's full sibling because a 1st cousin once removed has a range of only 141-851 cM.



Another possibility is your known aunt had a child at age 48 who she gave up for adoption, or sent off with friends or relatives and didn't tell anyone. It's unusual but not unheard of to have a child that late. And I can see people not wanting to raise a new child at that age. It's also possible this child would have a different father from your known 1st cousin (it makes no difference to your match).



At this point, you need more data. Hopefully your match will respond to you and tell you the relationship, or give you a few clues. You also want to test other relatives and see what cMs they have in common with your new match.



Ask your nephew to report his cM total with this match! It's even better if 3 of you upload to Gedmatch.com, though I realize that can be tough to get people to do it (it's not hard and it's free though).



What's the most likely scenario here? I'd say it's that you have a half sibling and this is that half sibling's child. But it could be other things, so keep finding evidence and narrowing things down.






share|improve this answer



















  • 1




    I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
    – LINDA
    3 hours ago











Your Answer








StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "467"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});

function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});


}
});






LINDA is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.










draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fgenealogy.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f15030%2funknown-1st-cousin-match-who-shares-matches-with-both-grandparents%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes








1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes









6














You're starting off with a doozy of a match. Yep, something's going on here.



Let's start with the shared cM project. Looking at the total cM match only, your possibilities for a 1,193 cM match include:




  • Great grandparent (range 464-1486)

  • Grandparent (1156-2311)

  • Half aunt/uncle (500-1446)

  • Great aunt/uncle (251-2108)

  • 1st cousin (553-1225)


We can rule out great grandparent based on your age difference with the match. Grandparent is not very likely but is possible...only if a child of yours (probably a son) had a child as a teen, who then had a child as a teen).



If you had a half sibling you didn't know about, this match could be their child, making you a half aunt.



If you had a full sibling you didn't know about, this could be that child's child, making you a great aunt.



If your mother had a half sibling you didn't know about, you could be their half niece. The age difference makes this extremely unlikely to the point of ruling it out. Your match can not be the child of your mother's half sibling because a half 1st cousin has a range of only 137-856 cM. You can also mostly rule out this possibility because your match shares matches with you for both sides of your mother's heritage. A half sibling of hers would not.



If your mother had a full sibling you didn't know about, a child of that sibling would be your 1st cousin and that would fit. That sibling would have to be younger than your mother. But your match can not be the grandchild of your mother's full sibling because a 1st cousin once removed has a range of only 141-851 cM.



Another possibility is your known aunt had a child at age 48 who she gave up for adoption, or sent off with friends or relatives and didn't tell anyone. It's unusual but not unheard of to have a child that late. And I can see people not wanting to raise a new child at that age. It's also possible this child would have a different father from your known 1st cousin (it makes no difference to your match).



At this point, you need more data. Hopefully your match will respond to you and tell you the relationship, or give you a few clues. You also want to test other relatives and see what cMs they have in common with your new match.



Ask your nephew to report his cM total with this match! It's even better if 3 of you upload to Gedmatch.com, though I realize that can be tough to get people to do it (it's not hard and it's free though).



What's the most likely scenario here? I'd say it's that you have a half sibling and this is that half sibling's child. But it could be other things, so keep finding evidence and narrowing things down.






share|improve this answer



















  • 1




    I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
    – LINDA
    3 hours ago
















6














You're starting off with a doozy of a match. Yep, something's going on here.



Let's start with the shared cM project. Looking at the total cM match only, your possibilities for a 1,193 cM match include:




  • Great grandparent (range 464-1486)

  • Grandparent (1156-2311)

  • Half aunt/uncle (500-1446)

  • Great aunt/uncle (251-2108)

  • 1st cousin (553-1225)


We can rule out great grandparent based on your age difference with the match. Grandparent is not very likely but is possible...only if a child of yours (probably a son) had a child as a teen, who then had a child as a teen).



If you had a half sibling you didn't know about, this match could be their child, making you a half aunt.



If you had a full sibling you didn't know about, this could be that child's child, making you a great aunt.



If your mother had a half sibling you didn't know about, you could be their half niece. The age difference makes this extremely unlikely to the point of ruling it out. Your match can not be the child of your mother's half sibling because a half 1st cousin has a range of only 137-856 cM. You can also mostly rule out this possibility because your match shares matches with you for both sides of your mother's heritage. A half sibling of hers would not.



If your mother had a full sibling you didn't know about, a child of that sibling would be your 1st cousin and that would fit. That sibling would have to be younger than your mother. But your match can not be the grandchild of your mother's full sibling because a 1st cousin once removed has a range of only 141-851 cM.



Another possibility is your known aunt had a child at age 48 who she gave up for adoption, or sent off with friends or relatives and didn't tell anyone. It's unusual but not unheard of to have a child that late. And I can see people not wanting to raise a new child at that age. It's also possible this child would have a different father from your known 1st cousin (it makes no difference to your match).



At this point, you need more data. Hopefully your match will respond to you and tell you the relationship, or give you a few clues. You also want to test other relatives and see what cMs they have in common with your new match.



Ask your nephew to report his cM total with this match! It's even better if 3 of you upload to Gedmatch.com, though I realize that can be tough to get people to do it (it's not hard and it's free though).



What's the most likely scenario here? I'd say it's that you have a half sibling and this is that half sibling's child. But it could be other things, so keep finding evidence and narrowing things down.






share|improve this answer



















  • 1




    I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
    – LINDA
    3 hours ago














6












6








6






You're starting off with a doozy of a match. Yep, something's going on here.



Let's start with the shared cM project. Looking at the total cM match only, your possibilities for a 1,193 cM match include:




  • Great grandparent (range 464-1486)

  • Grandparent (1156-2311)

  • Half aunt/uncle (500-1446)

  • Great aunt/uncle (251-2108)

  • 1st cousin (553-1225)


We can rule out great grandparent based on your age difference with the match. Grandparent is not very likely but is possible...only if a child of yours (probably a son) had a child as a teen, who then had a child as a teen).



If you had a half sibling you didn't know about, this match could be their child, making you a half aunt.



If you had a full sibling you didn't know about, this could be that child's child, making you a great aunt.



If your mother had a half sibling you didn't know about, you could be their half niece. The age difference makes this extremely unlikely to the point of ruling it out. Your match can not be the child of your mother's half sibling because a half 1st cousin has a range of only 137-856 cM. You can also mostly rule out this possibility because your match shares matches with you for both sides of your mother's heritage. A half sibling of hers would not.



If your mother had a full sibling you didn't know about, a child of that sibling would be your 1st cousin and that would fit. That sibling would have to be younger than your mother. But your match can not be the grandchild of your mother's full sibling because a 1st cousin once removed has a range of only 141-851 cM.



Another possibility is your known aunt had a child at age 48 who she gave up for adoption, or sent off with friends or relatives and didn't tell anyone. It's unusual but not unheard of to have a child that late. And I can see people not wanting to raise a new child at that age. It's also possible this child would have a different father from your known 1st cousin (it makes no difference to your match).



At this point, you need more data. Hopefully your match will respond to you and tell you the relationship, or give you a few clues. You also want to test other relatives and see what cMs they have in common with your new match.



Ask your nephew to report his cM total with this match! It's even better if 3 of you upload to Gedmatch.com, though I realize that can be tough to get people to do it (it's not hard and it's free though).



What's the most likely scenario here? I'd say it's that you have a half sibling and this is that half sibling's child. But it could be other things, so keep finding evidence and narrowing things down.






share|improve this answer














You're starting off with a doozy of a match. Yep, something's going on here.



Let's start with the shared cM project. Looking at the total cM match only, your possibilities for a 1,193 cM match include:




  • Great grandparent (range 464-1486)

  • Grandparent (1156-2311)

  • Half aunt/uncle (500-1446)

  • Great aunt/uncle (251-2108)

  • 1st cousin (553-1225)


We can rule out great grandparent based on your age difference with the match. Grandparent is not very likely but is possible...only if a child of yours (probably a son) had a child as a teen, who then had a child as a teen).



If you had a half sibling you didn't know about, this match could be their child, making you a half aunt.



If you had a full sibling you didn't know about, this could be that child's child, making you a great aunt.



If your mother had a half sibling you didn't know about, you could be their half niece. The age difference makes this extremely unlikely to the point of ruling it out. Your match can not be the child of your mother's half sibling because a half 1st cousin has a range of only 137-856 cM. You can also mostly rule out this possibility because your match shares matches with you for both sides of your mother's heritage. A half sibling of hers would not.



If your mother had a full sibling you didn't know about, a child of that sibling would be your 1st cousin and that would fit. That sibling would have to be younger than your mother. But your match can not be the grandchild of your mother's full sibling because a 1st cousin once removed has a range of only 141-851 cM.



Another possibility is your known aunt had a child at age 48 who she gave up for adoption, or sent off with friends or relatives and didn't tell anyone. It's unusual but not unheard of to have a child that late. And I can see people not wanting to raise a new child at that age. It's also possible this child would have a different father from your known 1st cousin (it makes no difference to your match).



At this point, you need more data. Hopefully your match will respond to you and tell you the relationship, or give you a few clues. You also want to test other relatives and see what cMs they have in common with your new match.



Ask your nephew to report his cM total with this match! It's even better if 3 of you upload to Gedmatch.com, though I realize that can be tough to get people to do it (it's not hard and it's free though).



What's the most likely scenario here? I'd say it's that you have a half sibling and this is that half sibling's child. But it could be other things, so keep finding evidence and narrowing things down.







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited 8 hours ago









PolyGeo

6,81652049




6,81652049










answered 10 hours ago









CynCyn

875119




875119








  • 1




    I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
    – LINDA
    3 hours ago














  • 1




    I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
    – LINDA
    3 hours ago








1




1




I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
– LINDA
3 hours ago




I appreciate all of your suggestions, I have also contacted me nephew to get his info for comparison. Thanks so much!!
– LINDA
3 hours ago










LINDA is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.










draft saved

draft discarded


















LINDA is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.













LINDA is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.












LINDA is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
















Thanks for contributing an answer to Genealogy & Family History Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid



  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.





Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.


Please pay close attention to the following guidance:


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid



  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fgenealogy.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f15030%2funknown-1st-cousin-match-who-shares-matches-with-both-grandparents%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







Popular posts from this blog

Contact image not getting when fetch all contact list from iPhone by CNContact

Idjassú

count number of partitions of a set with n elements into k subsets