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I'm trying to search for more information on a relative, but I'm a bit stumped.
I'm trying to find information prior to her marriage which was in 1912.
The only information I have of any certainty is from her marriage certificate and a DOB from her death record
I don't know her previous residences or place of birth.
Her father's occupation was listed as naval pensioner, but I'm not sure how far I can get with this.
Searching the censuses hasn't produced any definite results. I've searched for just her, resulting in nothing anywhere near the location of her marriage.
As she was born in 1888, I search for a census record linking her and her father in 1891 and 1901 and 1911. The only tenuous link is in the 1901, but I'm not sure if there is a way to verify this. I've searched for links between her and the possible mother, but turned up nothing.
I am subscribed to the MyHeritage website and FamilySearch, but no results tally up her DOB and father and the possible birth records that I found do not include her mother either. I've also tried FreeBMD and FamilySearch, but no likely results.
How could I proceed in this situation?
I'm currently only able to search online records. I can only afford to purchase certificates occasionally and if I'm certain of the identity of the person.
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I'm trying to search for more information on a relative, but I'm a bit stumped.
I'm trying to find information prior to her marriage which was in 1912.
The only information I have of any certainty is from her marriage certificate and a DOB from her death record
I don't know her previous residences or place of birth.
Her father's occupation was listed as naval pensioner, but I'm not sure how far I can get with this.
Searching the censuses hasn't produced any definite results. I've searched for just her, resulting in nothing anywhere near the location of her marriage.
As she was born in 1888, I search for a census record linking her and her father in 1891 and 1901 and 1911. The only tenuous link is in the 1901, but I'm not sure if there is a way to verify this. I've searched for links between her and the possible mother, but turned up nothing.
I am subscribed to the MyHeritage website and FamilySearch, but no results tally up her DOB and father and the possible birth records that I found do not include her mother either. I've also tried FreeBMD and FamilySearch, but no likely results.
How could I proceed in this situation?
I'm currently only able to search online records. I can only afford to purchase certificates occasionally and if I'm certain of the identity of the person.
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@polygeo Why did you remove information useful to other people who may be able to help?
– David Wilson
6 hours ago
As an existing user of several Stack Exchange sites I assumed that you would be aware of the need to ask a focused question rather than leaving it as an open-ended call for a list of tips. I think rolling my edit back makes it more likely that I or other users will vote for it to be closed as too broad.
– PolyGeo♦
5 hours ago
I wasn't asking for general help, just how to proceed with such minimal information. The updated text was to clarify what I had done so far, to reduce the need for someone to ask what I have done, and to help asses my current level of knowledge.
– David Wilson
3 hours ago
There's nothing wrong with what you added. That helps focus your question. My issue is that you rolled back my removal of your "any tips?" request which defocuses a question that I would otherwise have upvoted.
– PolyGeo♦
3 hours ago
I've just realized that your "Update" is time-stamped 45 secs before my edit so it looks like we were editing at the same time and mine inadvertently went over the top of yours without me seeing it. I'm going to edit again to restore what I intended originally without removing the content of your edit.
– PolyGeo♦
2 hours ago
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I'm trying to search for more information on a relative, but I'm a bit stumped.
I'm trying to find information prior to her marriage which was in 1912.
The only information I have of any certainty is from her marriage certificate and a DOB from her death record
I don't know her previous residences or place of birth.
Her father's occupation was listed as naval pensioner, but I'm not sure how far I can get with this.
Searching the censuses hasn't produced any definite results. I've searched for just her, resulting in nothing anywhere near the location of her marriage.
As she was born in 1888, I search for a census record linking her and her father in 1891 and 1901 and 1911. The only tenuous link is in the 1901, but I'm not sure if there is a way to verify this. I've searched for links between her and the possible mother, but turned up nothing.
I am subscribed to the MyHeritage website and FamilySearch, but no results tally up her DOB and father and the possible birth records that I found do not include her mother either. I've also tried FreeBMD and FamilySearch, but no likely results.
How could I proceed in this situation?
I'm currently only able to search online records. I can only afford to purchase certificates occasionally and if I'm certain of the identity of the person.
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I'm trying to search for more information on a relative, but I'm a bit stumped.
I'm trying to find information prior to her marriage which was in 1912.
The only information I have of any certainty is from her marriage certificate and a DOB from her death record
I don't know her previous residences or place of birth.
Her father's occupation was listed as naval pensioner, but I'm not sure how far I can get with this.
Searching the censuses hasn't produced any definite results. I've searched for just her, resulting in nothing anywhere near the location of her marriage.
As she was born in 1888, I search for a census record linking her and her father in 1891 and 1901 and 1911. The only tenuous link is in the 1901, but I'm not sure if there is a way to verify this. I've searched for links between her and the possible mother, but turned up nothing.
I am subscribed to the MyHeritage website and FamilySearch, but no results tally up her DOB and father and the possible birth records that I found do not include her mother either. I've also tried FreeBMD and FamilySearch, but no likely results.
How could I proceed in this situation?
I'm currently only able to search online records. I can only afford to purchase certificates occasionally and if I'm certain of the identity of the person.
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@polygeo Why did you remove information useful to other people who may be able to help?
– David Wilson
6 hours ago
As an existing user of several Stack Exchange sites I assumed that you would be aware of the need to ask a focused question rather than leaving it as an open-ended call for a list of tips. I think rolling my edit back makes it more likely that I or other users will vote for it to be closed as too broad.
– PolyGeo♦
5 hours ago
I wasn't asking for general help, just how to proceed with such minimal information. The updated text was to clarify what I had done so far, to reduce the need for someone to ask what I have done, and to help asses my current level of knowledge.
– David Wilson
3 hours ago
There's nothing wrong with what you added. That helps focus your question. My issue is that you rolled back my removal of your "any tips?" request which defocuses a question that I would otherwise have upvoted.
– PolyGeo♦
3 hours ago
I've just realized that your "Update" is time-stamped 45 secs before my edit so it looks like we were editing at the same time and mine inadvertently went over the top of yours without me seeing it. I'm going to edit again to restore what I intended originally without removing the content of your edit.
– PolyGeo♦
2 hours ago
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@polygeo Why did you remove information useful to other people who may be able to help?
– David Wilson
6 hours ago
As an existing user of several Stack Exchange sites I assumed that you would be aware of the need to ask a focused question rather than leaving it as an open-ended call for a list of tips. I think rolling my edit back makes it more likely that I or other users will vote for it to be closed as too broad.
– PolyGeo♦
5 hours ago
I wasn't asking for general help, just how to proceed with such minimal information. The updated text was to clarify what I had done so far, to reduce the need for someone to ask what I have done, and to help asses my current level of knowledge.
– David Wilson
3 hours ago
There's nothing wrong with what you added. That helps focus your question. My issue is that you rolled back my removal of your "any tips?" request which defocuses a question that I would otherwise have upvoted.
– PolyGeo♦
3 hours ago
I've just realized that your "Update" is time-stamped 45 secs before my edit so it looks like we were editing at the same time and mine inadvertently went over the top of yours without me seeing it. I'm going to edit again to restore what I intended originally without removing the content of your edit.
– PolyGeo♦
2 hours ago
@polygeo Why did you remove information useful to other people who may be able to help?
– David Wilson
6 hours ago
@polygeo Why did you remove information useful to other people who may be able to help?
– David Wilson
6 hours ago
As an existing user of several Stack Exchange sites I assumed that you would be aware of the need to ask a focused question rather than leaving it as an open-ended call for a list of tips. I think rolling my edit back makes it more likely that I or other users will vote for it to be closed as too broad.
– PolyGeo♦
5 hours ago
As an existing user of several Stack Exchange sites I assumed that you would be aware of the need to ask a focused question rather than leaving it as an open-ended call for a list of tips. I think rolling my edit back makes it more likely that I or other users will vote for it to be closed as too broad.
– PolyGeo♦
5 hours ago
I wasn't asking for general help, just how to proceed with such minimal information. The updated text was to clarify what I had done so far, to reduce the need for someone to ask what I have done, and to help asses my current level of knowledge.
– David Wilson
3 hours ago
I wasn't asking for general help, just how to proceed with such minimal information. The updated text was to clarify what I had done so far, to reduce the need for someone to ask what I have done, and to help asses my current level of knowledge.
– David Wilson
3 hours ago
There's nothing wrong with what you added. That helps focus your question. My issue is that you rolled back my removal of your "any tips?" request which defocuses a question that I would otherwise have upvoted.
– PolyGeo♦
3 hours ago
There's nothing wrong with what you added. That helps focus your question. My issue is that you rolled back my removal of your "any tips?" request which defocuses a question that I would otherwise have upvoted.
– PolyGeo♦
3 hours ago
I've just realized that your "Update" is time-stamped 45 secs before my edit so it looks like we were editing at the same time and mine inadvertently went over the top of yours without me seeing it. I'm going to edit again to restore what I intended originally without removing the content of your edit.
– PolyGeo♦
2 hours ago
I've just realized that your "Update" is time-stamped 45 secs before my edit so it looks like we were editing at the same time and mine inadvertently went over the top of yours without me seeing it. I'm going to edit again to restore what I intended originally without removing the content of your edit.
– PolyGeo♦
2 hours ago
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Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, go someplace that has it for free. In the US, you can access the international version of Ancestry at most public libraries, a Family History Center, or the National Records Archives. I'm not sure about the UK, but there should be places.
FamilySearch. This is the international online site for the Mormon Church genealogy services and they run FHCs all over the world. They have many records not found elsewhere. Some records are indexed and searchable online. Others are online but you must search manually by going page by page through the scan. Still others are not yet digitized but may be available to you at a FHC. Go in to your nearest one and ask for help.
FindMyPast. A British-based site that I haven't found very useful but you might have a different experience.
General Register Office. You can do some online searches for 1837-1917 Births
& 1837-1957 Deaths.FreeBMD. Many searchable vital records in England and Wales 1837-1992. Between this and GRO you can often find mother's maiden names. Search on that and sometimes you can find people's siblings. I found an unknown uncle of my father-in-law this way and confirmed it by ordering the birth certificate (he died as a child which is why my FIL didn't know about him).
UK Parish Registers. Part of MyHeritage. I have it bookmarked but can't recall if I found it useful.
Naturalizations. I don't think this is useful to you but I include it just in case and in case someone else needs it.
The bottom line is use every fact on every document. I recommend a good genealogy program like Family Tree Maker. You can confirm the validity of one document by cross matching it with the address found on another document you're sure of. Note every spelling variation for names. Don't assume every mistaken fact is a mistake. Even if it is, sometimes they carry over.
And look for documents you might not have thought of. Voting registrations, newspaper articles, obituaries, military registration and service, pensions, travel documents (even for holidays), etc. My mom saved all sorts of things and I ended up with a few vaccination records for my grandmother. Do I care about when she got vaccinated? Not really. But I am trying to figure out the year the family moved from one city to another and these records tell me the years they were in the first city.
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If all you have are the death certificate and a marriage certificate for this person, that isn't very much to go on. You're setting yourself up for what one of our community members called premature connectivitis syndrome (PCS).
From his answer to Tracing US ancestor back to Germany?:
At one time or another, I suppose most of us have suffered from premature connectivitis syndrome (PCS)--we don't really know enough yet by which we can well identify a person, yet we want to connect them to a much earlier place in time.
Good advice from this answer which applies to work in any locality:
Work from a time line on which you specify locations (and/or events). Pick the point on the timeline where you feel you have solid information; begin there. When you move from that point in time, think INCHWORM (rather than leapfrog).
To this I would add: put all the records you have in their proper context. The site GenGuide offers articles about different record types and gives pointers to where records can be found.
Knowing who created the record and for what purpose will help you make sense of the information contained in the records, and you may notice clues that didn't seem significant when you went through the records for the first time. For example, you said:
Her father's occupation was listed as naval pensioner, but I'm not sure how far I can get with this.
GenGuide's article Royal Navy/Royal Marines - Pensions to the Wounded, Retired, Widows & Orphans - Ratings & Officers and TNA's guide Royal Navy ratings’ pensions 17th-20th centuries can help you find out if this is a line of inquiry you want to pursue. Consider 1) what information might be found in a typical record and 2) if this is information you want to know.
Rather than leaping from one unproductive search (for your relative) to another (for her father), try to look at the big picture as you contemplate a new line of research. How common is the surname in question? Before plunging into the records, do some preliminary searches and see how many possible candidates you have for your relative's father.
You don't say whether the marriage record under review is a GRO marriage certificate or a parish record. If you haven't already done so, download the GRO's guides for birth, marriage and death certificates from the FAQ - Most Customers Want to Know's section What information will I see on a birth, marriage or death certificate?. All three links are included here for convenience:
- Guide to Birth Certificates
- Guide to Marriage Certificates
- Guide to Death Certificates
Where did the marriage take place? If the location is at a Registrar's Office, there may not be another record, but if it took place in a church, you may have opportunities to find more records.
Other research opportunities:
- identifying the witnesses
- looking for the residences of the bride and groom on electoral rolls or in other records -- do you know who owned those properties?
- studying the history of the town where the wedding took place.
It's crucial to know whether the town is a destination for out-of-town marriages. One clue from my own research came from putting together the dates of a married couple's possible marriage registration and the birth registration for their first child. Doing the math suggested why I hadn't found a marriage for this couple nearer their birthplaces.
If a couple were Non-Conformists or married in a large city that has special research challenges, it might be worthwhile to view classes via FamilySearch's Help Center Lessons. Understanding how far away from home a couple may have traveled to marry can help you decide how large a radius search may be worthwhile.
Becoming familiar with research locations is important. You may find some useful information in the answers to Determining what records are available in a particular locale? The local FHS (Family History Society) or the Society of Genealogists may have records that are not accessible via FamilySearch or the big subscription websites. Before you add any other subscriptions, learn to look over their holdings and evaluate whether the subscription will be worth it to you.
It seems counter-intuitive, but if you don't have enough information to go backwards in time, the best plan is often to start from where you are stuck and to work forwards so you can get more information. Does your relative have siblings? Very often we can't find the information about a person's parents or birthplace records about that person, but we have to use information from the records of siblings or other relatives.
The other thing I would advise you to do is to sign up for email newsletters and/or follow the blogs at findmypast, The British Newspaper Archive, The Genealogist, and AncestryUK. This will bring you news of new record sets coming online, tips for using the sites, and any promotions, in case you've discovered one of the sites has a record set you want to explore. The Genealogist's newsletter is especially valuable because they do Feature Articles about the record sets they publish, and you can learn more about the records. If you can access the sites at a local LDS Family History Center, use to learn them before you subscribe.
You already use FamilySearch for searching records -- but don't neglect the FamilySearch Wiki and the Lessons in the Help Center. If you haven't already done so, learn how to browse records (so you can explore the record sets which haven't been indexed yet) and how to use the Catalog.
Other things to consider:
- Learn how to do wildcard searches (each site may have different wildcard rules)
- Make a list of name variants and possible OCR glitches for the names you search (for printed sources, see 8 Ways to Overcome OCR Errors when Searching Newspapers to get tips)
- Do you know all the nicknames for your relative's name? She might be Margaret on one record or Peggy in another. In one case, I found a mysterious child "Robert" who was mentioned in no other record -- until I found his obituary and learned that my subject shared the same name as his father, and "Bob" was a nickname.
For each new record you find, ask: "Is this a record about the person I'm looking for, or someone with the same (or a similar) name?" I approach each new find as if it were about a same-name person until I've learned otherwise.
Finally, recognize that computerized databases have limits and weaknesses. Crista Cowan's video: Some Genealogy Records Have No Names demonstrates how records can be there, but a name search won't reveal them.
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Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, go someplace that has it for free. In the US, you can access the international version of Ancestry at most public libraries, a Family History Center, or the National Records Archives. I'm not sure about the UK, but there should be places.
FamilySearch. This is the international online site for the Mormon Church genealogy services and they run FHCs all over the world. They have many records not found elsewhere. Some records are indexed and searchable online. Others are online but you must search manually by going page by page through the scan. Still others are not yet digitized but may be available to you at a FHC. Go in to your nearest one and ask for help.
FindMyPast. A British-based site that I haven't found very useful but you might have a different experience.
General Register Office. You can do some online searches for 1837-1917 Births
& 1837-1957 Deaths.FreeBMD. Many searchable vital records in England and Wales 1837-1992. Between this and GRO you can often find mother's maiden names. Search on that and sometimes you can find people's siblings. I found an unknown uncle of my father-in-law this way and confirmed it by ordering the birth certificate (he died as a child which is why my FIL didn't know about him).
UK Parish Registers. Part of MyHeritage. I have it bookmarked but can't recall if I found it useful.
Naturalizations. I don't think this is useful to you but I include it just in case and in case someone else needs it.
The bottom line is use every fact on every document. I recommend a good genealogy program like Family Tree Maker. You can confirm the validity of one document by cross matching it with the address found on another document you're sure of. Note every spelling variation for names. Don't assume every mistaken fact is a mistake. Even if it is, sometimes they carry over.
And look for documents you might not have thought of. Voting registrations, newspaper articles, obituaries, military registration and service, pensions, travel documents (even for holidays), etc. My mom saved all sorts of things and I ended up with a few vaccination records for my grandmother. Do I care about when she got vaccinated? Not really. But I am trying to figure out the year the family moved from one city to another and these records tell me the years they were in the first city.
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(Edited the question to add that the location is the United Kingdom)
Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, go someplace that has it for free. In the US, you can access the international version of Ancestry at most public libraries, a Family History Center, or the National Records Archives. I'm not sure about the UK, but there should be places.
FamilySearch. This is the international online site for the Mormon Church genealogy services and they run FHCs all over the world. They have many records not found elsewhere. Some records are indexed and searchable online. Others are online but you must search manually by going page by page through the scan. Still others are not yet digitized but may be available to you at a FHC. Go in to your nearest one and ask for help.
FindMyPast. A British-based site that I haven't found very useful but you might have a different experience.
General Register Office. You can do some online searches for 1837-1917 Births
& 1837-1957 Deaths.FreeBMD. Many searchable vital records in England and Wales 1837-1992. Between this and GRO you can often find mother's maiden names. Search on that and sometimes you can find people's siblings. I found an unknown uncle of my father-in-law this way and confirmed it by ordering the birth certificate (he died as a child which is why my FIL didn't know about him).
UK Parish Registers. Part of MyHeritage. I have it bookmarked but can't recall if I found it useful.
Naturalizations. I don't think this is useful to you but I include it just in case and in case someone else needs it.
The bottom line is use every fact on every document. I recommend a good genealogy program like Family Tree Maker. You can confirm the validity of one document by cross matching it with the address found on another document you're sure of. Note every spelling variation for names. Don't assume every mistaken fact is a mistake. Even if it is, sometimes they carry over.
And look for documents you might not have thought of. Voting registrations, newspaper articles, obituaries, military registration and service, pensions, travel documents (even for holidays), etc. My mom saved all sorts of things and I ended up with a few vaccination records for my grandmother. Do I care about when she got vaccinated? Not really. But I am trying to figure out the year the family moved from one city to another and these records tell me the years they were in the first city.
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(Edited the question to add that the location is the United Kingdom)
Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, go someplace that has it for free. In the US, you can access the international version of Ancestry at most public libraries, a Family History Center, or the National Records Archives. I'm not sure about the UK, but there should be places.
FamilySearch. This is the international online site for the Mormon Church genealogy services and they run FHCs all over the world. They have many records not found elsewhere. Some records are indexed and searchable online. Others are online but you must search manually by going page by page through the scan. Still others are not yet digitized but may be available to you at a FHC. Go in to your nearest one and ask for help.
FindMyPast. A British-based site that I haven't found very useful but you might have a different experience.
General Register Office. You can do some online searches for 1837-1917 Births
& 1837-1957 Deaths.FreeBMD. Many searchable vital records in England and Wales 1837-1992. Between this and GRO you can often find mother's maiden names. Search on that and sometimes you can find people's siblings. I found an unknown uncle of my father-in-law this way and confirmed it by ordering the birth certificate (he died as a child which is why my FIL didn't know about him).
UK Parish Registers. Part of MyHeritage. I have it bookmarked but can't recall if I found it useful.
Naturalizations. I don't think this is useful to you but I include it just in case and in case someone else needs it.
The bottom line is use every fact on every document. I recommend a good genealogy program like Family Tree Maker. You can confirm the validity of one document by cross matching it with the address found on another document you're sure of. Note every spelling variation for names. Don't assume every mistaken fact is a mistake. Even if it is, sometimes they carry over.
And look for documents you might not have thought of. Voting registrations, newspaper articles, obituaries, military registration and service, pensions, travel documents (even for holidays), etc. My mom saved all sorts of things and I ended up with a few vaccination records for my grandmother. Do I care about when she got vaccinated? Not really. But I am trying to figure out the year the family moved from one city to another and these records tell me the years they were in the first city.
(Edited the question to add that the location is the United Kingdom)
Ancestry. If you don't have a subscription, go someplace that has it for free. In the US, you can access the international version of Ancestry at most public libraries, a Family History Center, or the National Records Archives. I'm not sure about the UK, but there should be places.
FamilySearch. This is the international online site for the Mormon Church genealogy services and they run FHCs all over the world. They have many records not found elsewhere. Some records are indexed and searchable online. Others are online but you must search manually by going page by page through the scan. Still others are not yet digitized but may be available to you at a FHC. Go in to your nearest one and ask for help.
FindMyPast. A British-based site that I haven't found very useful but you might have a different experience.
General Register Office. You can do some online searches for 1837-1917 Births
& 1837-1957 Deaths.FreeBMD. Many searchable vital records in England and Wales 1837-1992. Between this and GRO you can often find mother's maiden names. Search on that and sometimes you can find people's siblings. I found an unknown uncle of my father-in-law this way and confirmed it by ordering the birth certificate (he died as a child which is why my FIL didn't know about him).
UK Parish Registers. Part of MyHeritage. I have it bookmarked but can't recall if I found it useful.
Naturalizations. I don't think this is useful to you but I include it just in case and in case someone else needs it.
The bottom line is use every fact on every document. I recommend a good genealogy program like Family Tree Maker. You can confirm the validity of one document by cross matching it with the address found on another document you're sure of. Note every spelling variation for names. Don't assume every mistaken fact is a mistake. Even if it is, sometimes they carry over.
And look for documents you might not have thought of. Voting registrations, newspaper articles, obituaries, military registration and service, pensions, travel documents (even for holidays), etc. My mom saved all sorts of things and I ended up with a few vaccination records for my grandmother. Do I care about when she got vaccinated? Not really. But I am trying to figure out the year the family moved from one city to another and these records tell me the years they were in the first city.
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If all you have are the death certificate and a marriage certificate for this person, that isn't very much to go on. You're setting yourself up for what one of our community members called premature connectivitis syndrome (PCS).
From his answer to Tracing US ancestor back to Germany?:
At one time or another, I suppose most of us have suffered from premature connectivitis syndrome (PCS)--we don't really know enough yet by which we can well identify a person, yet we want to connect them to a much earlier place in time.
Good advice from this answer which applies to work in any locality:
Work from a time line on which you specify locations (and/or events). Pick the point on the timeline where you feel you have solid information; begin there. When you move from that point in time, think INCHWORM (rather than leapfrog).
To this I would add: put all the records you have in their proper context. The site GenGuide offers articles about different record types and gives pointers to where records can be found.
Knowing who created the record and for what purpose will help you make sense of the information contained in the records, and you may notice clues that didn't seem significant when you went through the records for the first time. For example, you said:
Her father's occupation was listed as naval pensioner, but I'm not sure how far I can get with this.
GenGuide's article Royal Navy/Royal Marines - Pensions to the Wounded, Retired, Widows & Orphans - Ratings & Officers and TNA's guide Royal Navy ratings’ pensions 17th-20th centuries can help you find out if this is a line of inquiry you want to pursue. Consider 1) what information might be found in a typical record and 2) if this is information you want to know.
Rather than leaping from one unproductive search (for your relative) to another (for her father), try to look at the big picture as you contemplate a new line of research. How common is the surname in question? Before plunging into the records, do some preliminary searches and see how many possible candidates you have for your relative's father.
You don't say whether the marriage record under review is a GRO marriage certificate or a parish record. If you haven't already done so, download the GRO's guides for birth, marriage and death certificates from the FAQ - Most Customers Want to Know's section What information will I see on a birth, marriage or death certificate?. All three links are included here for convenience:
- Guide to Birth Certificates
- Guide to Marriage Certificates
- Guide to Death Certificates
Where did the marriage take place? If the location is at a Registrar's Office, there may not be another record, but if it took place in a church, you may have opportunities to find more records.
Other research opportunities:
- identifying the witnesses
- looking for the residences of the bride and groom on electoral rolls or in other records -- do you know who owned those properties?
- studying the history of the town where the wedding took place.
It's crucial to know whether the town is a destination for out-of-town marriages. One clue from my own research came from putting together the dates of a married couple's possible marriage registration and the birth registration for their first child. Doing the math suggested why I hadn't found a marriage for this couple nearer their birthplaces.
If a couple were Non-Conformists or married in a large city that has special research challenges, it might be worthwhile to view classes via FamilySearch's Help Center Lessons. Understanding how far away from home a couple may have traveled to marry can help you decide how large a radius search may be worthwhile.
Becoming familiar with research locations is important. You may find some useful information in the answers to Determining what records are available in a particular locale? The local FHS (Family History Society) or the Society of Genealogists may have records that are not accessible via FamilySearch or the big subscription websites. Before you add any other subscriptions, learn to look over their holdings and evaluate whether the subscription will be worth it to you.
It seems counter-intuitive, but if you don't have enough information to go backwards in time, the best plan is often to start from where you are stuck and to work forwards so you can get more information. Does your relative have siblings? Very often we can't find the information about a person's parents or birthplace records about that person, but we have to use information from the records of siblings or other relatives.
The other thing I would advise you to do is to sign up for email newsletters and/or follow the blogs at findmypast, The British Newspaper Archive, The Genealogist, and AncestryUK. This will bring you news of new record sets coming online, tips for using the sites, and any promotions, in case you've discovered one of the sites has a record set you want to explore. The Genealogist's newsletter is especially valuable because they do Feature Articles about the record sets they publish, and you can learn more about the records. If you can access the sites at a local LDS Family History Center, use to learn them before you subscribe.
You already use FamilySearch for searching records -- but don't neglect the FamilySearch Wiki and the Lessons in the Help Center. If you haven't already done so, learn how to browse records (so you can explore the record sets which haven't been indexed yet) and how to use the Catalog.
Other things to consider:
- Learn how to do wildcard searches (each site may have different wildcard rules)
- Make a list of name variants and possible OCR glitches for the names you search (for printed sources, see 8 Ways to Overcome OCR Errors when Searching Newspapers to get tips)
- Do you know all the nicknames for your relative's name? She might be Margaret on one record or Peggy in another. In one case, I found a mysterious child "Robert" who was mentioned in no other record -- until I found his obituary and learned that my subject shared the same name as his father, and "Bob" was a nickname.
For each new record you find, ask: "Is this a record about the person I'm looking for, or someone with the same (or a similar) name?" I approach each new find as if it were about a same-name person until I've learned otherwise.
Finally, recognize that computerized databases have limits and weaknesses. Crista Cowan's video: Some Genealogy Records Have No Names demonstrates how records can be there, but a name search won't reveal them.
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If all you have are the death certificate and a marriage certificate for this person, that isn't very much to go on. You're setting yourself up for what one of our community members called premature connectivitis syndrome (PCS).
From his answer to Tracing US ancestor back to Germany?:
At one time or another, I suppose most of us have suffered from premature connectivitis syndrome (PCS)--we don't really know enough yet by which we can well identify a person, yet we want to connect them to a much earlier place in time.
Good advice from this answer which applies to work in any locality:
Work from a time line on which you specify locations (and/or events). Pick the point on the timeline where you feel you have solid information; begin there. When you move from that point in time, think INCHWORM (rather than leapfrog).
To this I would add: put all the records you have in their proper context. The site GenGuide offers articles about different record types and gives pointers to where records can be found.
Knowing who created the record and for what purpose will help you make sense of the information contained in the records, and you may notice clues that didn't seem significant when you went through the records for the first time. For example, you said:
Her father's occupation was listed as naval pensioner, but I'm not sure how far I can get with this.
GenGuide's article Royal Navy/Royal Marines - Pensions to the Wounded, Retired, Widows & Orphans - Ratings & Officers and TNA's guide Royal Navy ratings’ pensions 17th-20th centuries can help you find out if this is a line of inquiry you want to pursue. Consider 1) what information might be found in a typical record and 2) if this is information you want to know.
Rather than leaping from one unproductive search (for your relative) to another (for her father), try to look at the big picture as you contemplate a new line of research. How common is the surname in question? Before plunging into the records, do some preliminary searches and see how many possible candidates you have for your relative's father.
You don't say whether the marriage record under review is a GRO marriage certificate or a parish record. If you haven't already done so, download the GRO's guides for birth, marriage and death certificates from the FAQ - Most Customers Want to Know's section What information will I see on a birth, marriage or death certificate?. All three links are included here for convenience:
- Guide to Birth Certificates
- Guide to Marriage Certificates
- Guide to Death Certificates
Where did the marriage take place? If the location is at a Registrar's Office, there may not be another record, but if it took place in a church, you may have opportunities to find more records.
Other research opportunities:
- identifying the witnesses
- looking for the residences of the bride and groom on electoral rolls or in other records -- do you know who owned those properties?
- studying the history of the town where the wedding took place.
It's crucial to know whether the town is a destination for out-of-town marriages. One clue from my own research came from putting together the dates of a married couple's possible marriage registration and the birth registration for their first child. Doing the math suggested why I hadn't found a marriage for this couple nearer their birthplaces.
If a couple were Non-Conformists or married in a large city that has special research challenges, it might be worthwhile to view classes via FamilySearch's Help Center Lessons. Understanding how far away from home a couple may have traveled to marry can help you decide how large a radius search may be worthwhile.
Becoming familiar with research locations is important. You may find some useful information in the answers to Determining what records are available in a particular locale? The local FHS (Family History Society) or the Society of Genealogists may have records that are not accessible via FamilySearch or the big subscription websites. Before you add any other subscriptions, learn to look over their holdings and evaluate whether the subscription will be worth it to you.
It seems counter-intuitive, but if you don't have enough information to go backwards in time, the best plan is often to start from where you are stuck and to work forwards so you can get more information. Does your relative have siblings? Very often we can't find the information about a person's parents or birthplace records about that person, but we have to use information from the records of siblings or other relatives.
The other thing I would advise you to do is to sign up for email newsletters and/or follow the blogs at findmypast, The British Newspaper Archive, The Genealogist, and AncestryUK. This will bring you news of new record sets coming online, tips for using the sites, and any promotions, in case you've discovered one of the sites has a record set you want to explore. The Genealogist's newsletter is especially valuable because they do Feature Articles about the record sets they publish, and you can learn more about the records. If you can access the sites at a local LDS Family History Center, use to learn them before you subscribe.
You already use FamilySearch for searching records -- but don't neglect the FamilySearch Wiki and the Lessons in the Help Center. If you haven't already done so, learn how to browse records (so you can explore the record sets which haven't been indexed yet) and how to use the Catalog.
Other things to consider:
- Learn how to do wildcard searches (each site may have different wildcard rules)
- Make a list of name variants and possible OCR glitches for the names you search (for printed sources, see 8 Ways to Overcome OCR Errors when Searching Newspapers to get tips)
- Do you know all the nicknames for your relative's name? She might be Margaret on one record or Peggy in another. In one case, I found a mysterious child "Robert" who was mentioned in no other record -- until I found his obituary and learned that my subject shared the same name as his father, and "Bob" was a nickname.
For each new record you find, ask: "Is this a record about the person I'm looking for, or someone with the same (or a similar) name?" I approach each new find as if it were about a same-name person until I've learned otherwise.
Finally, recognize that computerized databases have limits and weaknesses. Crista Cowan's video: Some Genealogy Records Have No Names demonstrates how records can be there, but a name search won't reveal them.
add a comment |
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
If all you have are the death certificate and a marriage certificate for this person, that isn't very much to go on. You're setting yourself up for what one of our community members called premature connectivitis syndrome (PCS).
From his answer to Tracing US ancestor back to Germany?:
At one time or another, I suppose most of us have suffered from premature connectivitis syndrome (PCS)--we don't really know enough yet by which we can well identify a person, yet we want to connect them to a much earlier place in time.
Good advice from this answer which applies to work in any locality:
Work from a time line on which you specify locations (and/or events). Pick the point on the timeline where you feel you have solid information; begin there. When you move from that point in time, think INCHWORM (rather than leapfrog).
To this I would add: put all the records you have in their proper context. The site GenGuide offers articles about different record types and gives pointers to where records can be found.
Knowing who created the record and for what purpose will help you make sense of the information contained in the records, and you may notice clues that didn't seem significant when you went through the records for the first time. For example, you said:
Her father's occupation was listed as naval pensioner, but I'm not sure how far I can get with this.
GenGuide's article Royal Navy/Royal Marines - Pensions to the Wounded, Retired, Widows & Orphans - Ratings & Officers and TNA's guide Royal Navy ratings’ pensions 17th-20th centuries can help you find out if this is a line of inquiry you want to pursue. Consider 1) what information might be found in a typical record and 2) if this is information you want to know.
Rather than leaping from one unproductive search (for your relative) to another (for her father), try to look at the big picture as you contemplate a new line of research. How common is the surname in question? Before plunging into the records, do some preliminary searches and see how many possible candidates you have for your relative's father.
You don't say whether the marriage record under review is a GRO marriage certificate or a parish record. If you haven't already done so, download the GRO's guides for birth, marriage and death certificates from the FAQ - Most Customers Want to Know's section What information will I see on a birth, marriage or death certificate?. All three links are included here for convenience:
- Guide to Birth Certificates
- Guide to Marriage Certificates
- Guide to Death Certificates
Where did the marriage take place? If the location is at a Registrar's Office, there may not be another record, but if it took place in a church, you may have opportunities to find more records.
Other research opportunities:
- identifying the witnesses
- looking for the residences of the bride and groom on electoral rolls or in other records -- do you know who owned those properties?
- studying the history of the town where the wedding took place.
It's crucial to know whether the town is a destination for out-of-town marriages. One clue from my own research came from putting together the dates of a married couple's possible marriage registration and the birth registration for their first child. Doing the math suggested why I hadn't found a marriage for this couple nearer their birthplaces.
If a couple were Non-Conformists or married in a large city that has special research challenges, it might be worthwhile to view classes via FamilySearch's Help Center Lessons. Understanding how far away from home a couple may have traveled to marry can help you decide how large a radius search may be worthwhile.
Becoming familiar with research locations is important. You may find some useful information in the answers to Determining what records are available in a particular locale? The local FHS (Family History Society) or the Society of Genealogists may have records that are not accessible via FamilySearch or the big subscription websites. Before you add any other subscriptions, learn to look over their holdings and evaluate whether the subscription will be worth it to you.
It seems counter-intuitive, but if you don't have enough information to go backwards in time, the best plan is often to start from where you are stuck and to work forwards so you can get more information. Does your relative have siblings? Very often we can't find the information about a person's parents or birthplace records about that person, but we have to use information from the records of siblings or other relatives.
The other thing I would advise you to do is to sign up for email newsletters and/or follow the blogs at findmypast, The British Newspaper Archive, The Genealogist, and AncestryUK. This will bring you news of new record sets coming online, tips for using the sites, and any promotions, in case you've discovered one of the sites has a record set you want to explore. The Genealogist's newsletter is especially valuable because they do Feature Articles about the record sets they publish, and you can learn more about the records. If you can access the sites at a local LDS Family History Center, use to learn them before you subscribe.
You already use FamilySearch for searching records -- but don't neglect the FamilySearch Wiki and the Lessons in the Help Center. If you haven't already done so, learn how to browse records (so you can explore the record sets which haven't been indexed yet) and how to use the Catalog.
Other things to consider:
- Learn how to do wildcard searches (each site may have different wildcard rules)
- Make a list of name variants and possible OCR glitches for the names you search (for printed sources, see 8 Ways to Overcome OCR Errors when Searching Newspapers to get tips)
- Do you know all the nicknames for your relative's name? She might be Margaret on one record or Peggy in another. In one case, I found a mysterious child "Robert" who was mentioned in no other record -- until I found his obituary and learned that my subject shared the same name as his father, and "Bob" was a nickname.
For each new record you find, ask: "Is this a record about the person I'm looking for, or someone with the same (or a similar) name?" I approach each new find as if it were about a same-name person until I've learned otherwise.
Finally, recognize that computerized databases have limits and weaknesses. Crista Cowan's video: Some Genealogy Records Have No Names demonstrates how records can be there, but a name search won't reveal them.
If all you have are the death certificate and a marriage certificate for this person, that isn't very much to go on. You're setting yourself up for what one of our community members called premature connectivitis syndrome (PCS).
From his answer to Tracing US ancestor back to Germany?:
At one time or another, I suppose most of us have suffered from premature connectivitis syndrome (PCS)--we don't really know enough yet by which we can well identify a person, yet we want to connect them to a much earlier place in time.
Good advice from this answer which applies to work in any locality:
Work from a time line on which you specify locations (and/or events). Pick the point on the timeline where you feel you have solid information; begin there. When you move from that point in time, think INCHWORM (rather than leapfrog).
To this I would add: put all the records you have in their proper context. The site GenGuide offers articles about different record types and gives pointers to where records can be found.
Knowing who created the record and for what purpose will help you make sense of the information contained in the records, and you may notice clues that didn't seem significant when you went through the records for the first time. For example, you said:
Her father's occupation was listed as naval pensioner, but I'm not sure how far I can get with this.
GenGuide's article Royal Navy/Royal Marines - Pensions to the Wounded, Retired, Widows & Orphans - Ratings & Officers and TNA's guide Royal Navy ratings’ pensions 17th-20th centuries can help you find out if this is a line of inquiry you want to pursue. Consider 1) what information might be found in a typical record and 2) if this is information you want to know.
Rather than leaping from one unproductive search (for your relative) to another (for her father), try to look at the big picture as you contemplate a new line of research. How common is the surname in question? Before plunging into the records, do some preliminary searches and see how many possible candidates you have for your relative's father.
You don't say whether the marriage record under review is a GRO marriage certificate or a parish record. If you haven't already done so, download the GRO's guides for birth, marriage and death certificates from the FAQ - Most Customers Want to Know's section What information will I see on a birth, marriage or death certificate?. All three links are included here for convenience:
- Guide to Birth Certificates
- Guide to Marriage Certificates
- Guide to Death Certificates
Where did the marriage take place? If the location is at a Registrar's Office, there may not be another record, but if it took place in a church, you may have opportunities to find more records.
Other research opportunities:
- identifying the witnesses
- looking for the residences of the bride and groom on electoral rolls or in other records -- do you know who owned those properties?
- studying the history of the town where the wedding took place.
It's crucial to know whether the town is a destination for out-of-town marriages. One clue from my own research came from putting together the dates of a married couple's possible marriage registration and the birth registration for their first child. Doing the math suggested why I hadn't found a marriage for this couple nearer their birthplaces.
If a couple were Non-Conformists or married in a large city that has special research challenges, it might be worthwhile to view classes via FamilySearch's Help Center Lessons. Understanding how far away from home a couple may have traveled to marry can help you decide how large a radius search may be worthwhile.
Becoming familiar with research locations is important. You may find some useful information in the answers to Determining what records are available in a particular locale? The local FHS (Family History Society) or the Society of Genealogists may have records that are not accessible via FamilySearch or the big subscription websites. Before you add any other subscriptions, learn to look over their holdings and evaluate whether the subscription will be worth it to you.
It seems counter-intuitive, but if you don't have enough information to go backwards in time, the best plan is often to start from where you are stuck and to work forwards so you can get more information. Does your relative have siblings? Very often we can't find the information about a person's parents or birthplace records about that person, but we have to use information from the records of siblings or other relatives.
The other thing I would advise you to do is to sign up for email newsletters and/or follow the blogs at findmypast, The British Newspaper Archive, The Genealogist, and AncestryUK. This will bring you news of new record sets coming online, tips for using the sites, and any promotions, in case you've discovered one of the sites has a record set you want to explore. The Genealogist's newsletter is especially valuable because they do Feature Articles about the record sets they publish, and you can learn more about the records. If you can access the sites at a local LDS Family History Center, use to learn them before you subscribe.
You already use FamilySearch for searching records -- but don't neglect the FamilySearch Wiki and the Lessons in the Help Center. If you haven't already done so, learn how to browse records (so you can explore the record sets which haven't been indexed yet) and how to use the Catalog.
Other things to consider:
- Learn how to do wildcard searches (each site may have different wildcard rules)
- Make a list of name variants and possible OCR glitches for the names you search (for printed sources, see 8 Ways to Overcome OCR Errors when Searching Newspapers to get tips)
- Do you know all the nicknames for your relative's name? She might be Margaret on one record or Peggy in another. In one case, I found a mysterious child "Robert" who was mentioned in no other record -- until I found his obituary and learned that my subject shared the same name as his father, and "Bob" was a nickname.
For each new record you find, ask: "Is this a record about the person I'm looking for, or someone with the same (or a similar) name?" I approach each new find as if it were about a same-name person until I've learned otherwise.
Finally, recognize that computerized databases have limits and weaknesses. Crista Cowan's video: Some Genealogy Records Have No Names demonstrates how records can be there, but a name search won't reveal them.
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@polygeo Why did you remove information useful to other people who may be able to help?
– David Wilson
6 hours ago
As an existing user of several Stack Exchange sites I assumed that you would be aware of the need to ask a focused question rather than leaving it as an open-ended call for a list of tips. I think rolling my edit back makes it more likely that I or other users will vote for it to be closed as too broad.
– PolyGeo♦
5 hours ago
I wasn't asking for general help, just how to proceed with such minimal information. The updated text was to clarify what I had done so far, to reduce the need for someone to ask what I have done, and to help asses my current level of knowledge.
– David Wilson
3 hours ago
There's nothing wrong with what you added. That helps focus your question. My issue is that you rolled back my removal of your "any tips?" request which defocuses a question that I would otherwise have upvoted.
– PolyGeo♦
3 hours ago
I've just realized that your "Update" is time-stamped 45 secs before my edit so it looks like we were editing at the same time and mine inadvertently went over the top of yours without me seeing it. I'm going to edit again to restore what I intended originally without removing the content of your edit.
– PolyGeo♦
2 hours ago