What makes the difference on partially and fully visible moon?
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While I'm satisfied (despite the fringe) with shoots from a partially visible moon with a cheap 500mm lens:
1/100 iso 100 f/?
I cannot understand why the IQ is extremely diminished when doing the same with an almost fully visible moon:
1/80 iso 100 f/?
I suppose that fully visible is much brighter and when I try to compensate the situation by changing the aperture these effect show up.
Is there an obvious explanation or do I just mess up the focus everytime?
EDIT:
I repeated the process with an aps-c instead of full-format camera, now one of the images looks better (showing more details):
1/250 iso 100 (APS-C)
I'm not sure whether the crop factor allows me to focus more acurate or this is due to the 50% magnification. At least it shows more details.
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While I'm satisfied (despite the fringe) with shoots from a partially visible moon with a cheap 500mm lens:
1/100 iso 100 f/?
I cannot understand why the IQ is extremely diminished when doing the same with an almost fully visible moon:
1/80 iso 100 f/?
I suppose that fully visible is much brighter and when I try to compensate the situation by changing the aperture these effect show up.
Is there an obvious explanation or do I just mess up the focus everytime?
EDIT:
I repeated the process with an aps-c instead of full-format camera, now one of the images looks better (showing more details):
1/250 iso 100 (APS-C)
I'm not sure whether the crop factor allows me to focus more acurate or this is due to the 50% magnification. At least it shows more details.
aperture astrophotography manual-focus sharpness moon
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– Peter Taylor
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@PeterTaylor not completly I already tried bracketing, and 5 ago minutes repeated the process changing from full-format to aps-c which looks bit better. I will add one of these images later to refine the question, thank you for pointing me to this post.
– stacker
6 hours ago
Upper photos look slightly out of focus. Or is this the difference between 1/80 and 1/250 shutter speed? Unlikely.
– IMil
1 hour ago
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While I'm satisfied (despite the fringe) with shoots from a partially visible moon with a cheap 500mm lens:
1/100 iso 100 f/?
I cannot understand why the IQ is extremely diminished when doing the same with an almost fully visible moon:
1/80 iso 100 f/?
I suppose that fully visible is much brighter and when I try to compensate the situation by changing the aperture these effect show up.
Is there an obvious explanation or do I just mess up the focus everytime?
EDIT:
I repeated the process with an aps-c instead of full-format camera, now one of the images looks better (showing more details):
1/250 iso 100 (APS-C)
I'm not sure whether the crop factor allows me to focus more acurate or this is due to the 50% magnification. At least it shows more details.
aperture astrophotography manual-focus sharpness moon
While I'm satisfied (despite the fringe) with shoots from a partially visible moon with a cheap 500mm lens:
1/100 iso 100 f/?
I cannot understand why the IQ is extremely diminished when doing the same with an almost fully visible moon:
1/80 iso 100 f/?
I suppose that fully visible is much brighter and when I try to compensate the situation by changing the aperture these effect show up.
Is there an obvious explanation or do I just mess up the focus everytime?
EDIT:
I repeated the process with an aps-c instead of full-format camera, now one of the images looks better (showing more details):
1/250 iso 100 (APS-C)
I'm not sure whether the crop factor allows me to focus more acurate or this is due to the 50% magnification. At least it shows more details.
aperture astrophotography manual-focus sharpness moon
aperture astrophotography manual-focus sharpness moon
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Does photo.stackexchange.com/a/83792/47295 answer your question?
– Peter Taylor
7 hours ago
@PeterTaylor not completly I already tried bracketing, and 5 ago minutes repeated the process changing from full-format to aps-c which looks bit better. I will add one of these images later to refine the question, thank you for pointing me to this post.
– stacker
6 hours ago
Upper photos look slightly out of focus. Or is this the difference between 1/80 and 1/250 shutter speed? Unlikely.
– IMil
1 hour ago
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Does photo.stackexchange.com/a/83792/47295 answer your question?
– Peter Taylor
7 hours ago
@PeterTaylor not completly I already tried bracketing, and 5 ago minutes repeated the process changing from full-format to aps-c which looks bit better. I will add one of these images later to refine the question, thank you for pointing me to this post.
– stacker
6 hours ago
Upper photos look slightly out of focus. Or is this the difference between 1/80 and 1/250 shutter speed? Unlikely.
– IMil
1 hour ago
Does photo.stackexchange.com/a/83792/47295 answer your question?
– Peter Taylor
7 hours ago
Does photo.stackexchange.com/a/83792/47295 answer your question?
– Peter Taylor
7 hours ago
@PeterTaylor not completly I already tried bracketing, and 5 ago minutes repeated the process changing from full-format to aps-c which looks bit better. I will add one of these images later to refine the question, thank you for pointing me to this post.
– stacker
6 hours ago
@PeterTaylor not completly I already tried bracketing, and 5 ago minutes repeated the process changing from full-format to aps-c which looks bit better. I will add one of these images later to refine the question, thank you for pointing me to this post.
– stacker
6 hours ago
Upper photos look slightly out of focus. Or is this the difference between 1/80 and 1/250 shutter speed? Unlikely.
– IMil
1 hour ago
Upper photos look slightly out of focus. Or is this the difference between 1/80 and 1/250 shutter speed? Unlikely.
– IMil
1 hour ago
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What makes the difference on partially and fully visible moon?
In a word: shadows.
I cannot understand why the IQ is extremely diminished when doing the same with an almost fully visible moon.
The second image does appear to suffer from lower sharpness and overall quality. However, even if the technical image quality factors were equal, most importantly, a full moon will appear flat and uninteresting, as compared to a gibbous (i.e., 3/4-ish) moon.
We see a full moon that is lit directly "overhead". The mountain and crater rims do not cast any shadows that give texture and depth to the moon's surface. Thus, we only get tonal information from the albedo (reflectivity) of the local regolith in parts of the image.
However, with a partial moon, the surface is more side-lit, thus casting shadows. These shadows provide vital depth clues to our eyes, and greater tonal variations. Even if the technical image quality is the same (i.e., same accurate focusing, correct exposure, no motion blur, etc.), a partial moon's greater tonal and texture variations will make for a more apparently higher-quality moon image.
Your two images provide for excellent comparison. Looking at Tycho Crater (the large impact crater in the south-southeast view, with large whitish ejecta streaks emanating from it): Notice in the gibbous phase image, Tycho crater has a distinct rim and bowl, and is surrounded by lots of smaller impact craters. Whereas, in the full moon image, the shape of Tycho crater is apparent, but it has no depth, no sense of being an obvious bowl. The smaller impact craters immediately surrounding it are nearly invisible, and the general area surrounding Tycho is just a smudge of middle gray.
Thank you for this detailed answer +1, could you include the 3rd image (aps-c which is more pronounced ) in your answer.
– stacker
6 hours ago
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@stacker Looks like a combo of factors. The second image is not focused as well as the third and the third image also appears to have been captured with a different tone curve and has more contrast. The latter is a function of the camera's rendering settings.
– doug
5 hours ago
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The full moon is illuminated by the sun which is directly overhead, i.e. noon. Mountains on the moon's surface, at noon local time, cast no shadows. When the moon appears to be partially illuminated, gibbous, 1st.or last quarter, 1/2 moon, crescent etc. This local time is such that the sun casts shadows. A view of the moon from earth is enhanced by shadows as they heighten the illusion of depth.
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What makes the difference on partially and fully visible moon?
In a word: shadows.
I cannot understand why the IQ is extremely diminished when doing the same with an almost fully visible moon.
The second image does appear to suffer from lower sharpness and overall quality. However, even if the technical image quality factors were equal, most importantly, a full moon will appear flat and uninteresting, as compared to a gibbous (i.e., 3/4-ish) moon.
We see a full moon that is lit directly "overhead". The mountain and crater rims do not cast any shadows that give texture and depth to the moon's surface. Thus, we only get tonal information from the albedo (reflectivity) of the local regolith in parts of the image.
However, with a partial moon, the surface is more side-lit, thus casting shadows. These shadows provide vital depth clues to our eyes, and greater tonal variations. Even if the technical image quality is the same (i.e., same accurate focusing, correct exposure, no motion blur, etc.), a partial moon's greater tonal and texture variations will make for a more apparently higher-quality moon image.
Your two images provide for excellent comparison. Looking at Tycho Crater (the large impact crater in the south-southeast view, with large whitish ejecta streaks emanating from it): Notice in the gibbous phase image, Tycho crater has a distinct rim and bowl, and is surrounded by lots of smaller impact craters. Whereas, in the full moon image, the shape of Tycho crater is apparent, but it has no depth, no sense of being an obvious bowl. The smaller impact craters immediately surrounding it are nearly invisible, and the general area surrounding Tycho is just a smudge of middle gray.
Thank you for this detailed answer +1, could you include the 3rd image (aps-c which is more pronounced ) in your answer.
– stacker
6 hours ago
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@stacker Looks like a combo of factors. The second image is not focused as well as the third and the third image also appears to have been captured with a different tone curve and has more contrast. The latter is a function of the camera's rendering settings.
– doug
5 hours ago
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What makes the difference on partially and fully visible moon?
In a word: shadows.
I cannot understand why the IQ is extremely diminished when doing the same with an almost fully visible moon.
The second image does appear to suffer from lower sharpness and overall quality. However, even if the technical image quality factors were equal, most importantly, a full moon will appear flat and uninteresting, as compared to a gibbous (i.e., 3/4-ish) moon.
We see a full moon that is lit directly "overhead". The mountain and crater rims do not cast any shadows that give texture and depth to the moon's surface. Thus, we only get tonal information from the albedo (reflectivity) of the local regolith in parts of the image.
However, with a partial moon, the surface is more side-lit, thus casting shadows. These shadows provide vital depth clues to our eyes, and greater tonal variations. Even if the technical image quality is the same (i.e., same accurate focusing, correct exposure, no motion blur, etc.), a partial moon's greater tonal and texture variations will make for a more apparently higher-quality moon image.
Your two images provide for excellent comparison. Looking at Tycho Crater (the large impact crater in the south-southeast view, with large whitish ejecta streaks emanating from it): Notice in the gibbous phase image, Tycho crater has a distinct rim and bowl, and is surrounded by lots of smaller impact craters. Whereas, in the full moon image, the shape of Tycho crater is apparent, but it has no depth, no sense of being an obvious bowl. The smaller impact craters immediately surrounding it are nearly invisible, and the general area surrounding Tycho is just a smudge of middle gray.
Thank you for this detailed answer +1, could you include the 3rd image (aps-c which is more pronounced ) in your answer.
– stacker
6 hours ago
2
@stacker Looks like a combo of factors. The second image is not focused as well as the third and the third image also appears to have been captured with a different tone curve and has more contrast. The latter is a function of the camera's rendering settings.
– doug
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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up vote
6
down vote
accepted
What makes the difference on partially and fully visible moon?
In a word: shadows.
I cannot understand why the IQ is extremely diminished when doing the same with an almost fully visible moon.
The second image does appear to suffer from lower sharpness and overall quality. However, even if the technical image quality factors were equal, most importantly, a full moon will appear flat and uninteresting, as compared to a gibbous (i.e., 3/4-ish) moon.
We see a full moon that is lit directly "overhead". The mountain and crater rims do not cast any shadows that give texture and depth to the moon's surface. Thus, we only get tonal information from the albedo (reflectivity) of the local regolith in parts of the image.
However, with a partial moon, the surface is more side-lit, thus casting shadows. These shadows provide vital depth clues to our eyes, and greater tonal variations. Even if the technical image quality is the same (i.e., same accurate focusing, correct exposure, no motion blur, etc.), a partial moon's greater tonal and texture variations will make for a more apparently higher-quality moon image.
Your two images provide for excellent comparison. Looking at Tycho Crater (the large impact crater in the south-southeast view, with large whitish ejecta streaks emanating from it): Notice in the gibbous phase image, Tycho crater has a distinct rim and bowl, and is surrounded by lots of smaller impact craters. Whereas, in the full moon image, the shape of Tycho crater is apparent, but it has no depth, no sense of being an obvious bowl. The smaller impact craters immediately surrounding it are nearly invisible, and the general area surrounding Tycho is just a smudge of middle gray.
What makes the difference on partially and fully visible moon?
In a word: shadows.
I cannot understand why the IQ is extremely diminished when doing the same with an almost fully visible moon.
The second image does appear to suffer from lower sharpness and overall quality. However, even if the technical image quality factors were equal, most importantly, a full moon will appear flat and uninteresting, as compared to a gibbous (i.e., 3/4-ish) moon.
We see a full moon that is lit directly "overhead". The mountain and crater rims do not cast any shadows that give texture and depth to the moon's surface. Thus, we only get tonal information from the albedo (reflectivity) of the local regolith in parts of the image.
However, with a partial moon, the surface is more side-lit, thus casting shadows. These shadows provide vital depth clues to our eyes, and greater tonal variations. Even if the technical image quality is the same (i.e., same accurate focusing, correct exposure, no motion blur, etc.), a partial moon's greater tonal and texture variations will make for a more apparently higher-quality moon image.
Your two images provide for excellent comparison. Looking at Tycho Crater (the large impact crater in the south-southeast view, with large whitish ejecta streaks emanating from it): Notice in the gibbous phase image, Tycho crater has a distinct rim and bowl, and is surrounded by lots of smaller impact craters. Whereas, in the full moon image, the shape of Tycho crater is apparent, but it has no depth, no sense of being an obvious bowl. The smaller impact craters immediately surrounding it are nearly invisible, and the general area surrounding Tycho is just a smudge of middle gray.
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Thank you for this detailed answer +1, could you include the 3rd image (aps-c which is more pronounced ) in your answer.
– stacker
6 hours ago
2
@stacker Looks like a combo of factors. The second image is not focused as well as the third and the third image also appears to have been captured with a different tone curve and has more contrast. The latter is a function of the camera's rendering settings.
– doug
5 hours ago
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Thank you for this detailed answer +1, could you include the 3rd image (aps-c which is more pronounced ) in your answer.
– stacker
6 hours ago
2
@stacker Looks like a combo of factors. The second image is not focused as well as the third and the third image also appears to have been captured with a different tone curve and has more contrast. The latter is a function of the camera's rendering settings.
– doug
5 hours ago
Thank you for this detailed answer +1, could you include the 3rd image (aps-c which is more pronounced ) in your answer.
– stacker
6 hours ago
Thank you for this detailed answer +1, could you include the 3rd image (aps-c which is more pronounced ) in your answer.
– stacker
6 hours ago
2
2
@stacker Looks like a combo of factors. The second image is not focused as well as the third and the third image also appears to have been captured with a different tone curve and has more contrast. The latter is a function of the camera's rendering settings.
– doug
5 hours ago
@stacker Looks like a combo of factors. The second image is not focused as well as the third and the third image also appears to have been captured with a different tone curve and has more contrast. The latter is a function of the camera's rendering settings.
– doug
5 hours ago
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The full moon is illuminated by the sun which is directly overhead, i.e. noon. Mountains on the moon's surface, at noon local time, cast no shadows. When the moon appears to be partially illuminated, gibbous, 1st.or last quarter, 1/2 moon, crescent etc. This local time is such that the sun casts shadows. A view of the moon from earth is enhanced by shadows as they heighten the illusion of depth.
add a comment |
up vote
1
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The full moon is illuminated by the sun which is directly overhead, i.e. noon. Mountains on the moon's surface, at noon local time, cast no shadows. When the moon appears to be partially illuminated, gibbous, 1st.or last quarter, 1/2 moon, crescent etc. This local time is such that the sun casts shadows. A view of the moon from earth is enhanced by shadows as they heighten the illusion of depth.
add a comment |
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The full moon is illuminated by the sun which is directly overhead, i.e. noon. Mountains on the moon's surface, at noon local time, cast no shadows. When the moon appears to be partially illuminated, gibbous, 1st.or last quarter, 1/2 moon, crescent etc. This local time is such that the sun casts shadows. A view of the moon from earth is enhanced by shadows as they heighten the illusion of depth.
The full moon is illuminated by the sun which is directly overhead, i.e. noon. Mountains on the moon's surface, at noon local time, cast no shadows. When the moon appears to be partially illuminated, gibbous, 1st.or last quarter, 1/2 moon, crescent etc. This local time is such that the sun casts shadows. A view of the moon from earth is enhanced by shadows as they heighten the illusion of depth.
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Does photo.stackexchange.com/a/83792/47295 answer your question?
– Peter Taylor
7 hours ago
@PeterTaylor not completly I already tried bracketing, and 5 ago minutes repeated the process changing from full-format to aps-c which looks bit better. I will add one of these images later to refine the question, thank you for pointing me to this post.
– stacker
6 hours ago
Upper photos look slightly out of focus. Or is this the difference between 1/80 and 1/250 shutter speed? Unlikely.
– IMil
1 hour ago