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I got stuck on two exercises below
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limlimits_{xrightarrow +infty} left(frac{2}{pi} arctan x right)^x \
lim_{xrightarrow 3^+} frac{cos x ln(x-3)}{ln(e^x-e^3)}
$$




For the first one , let $y=(frac{2}{pi} arctan x )^x $, so $ln y =xln (frac{2}{pi} arctan x )$, the right part is $infty cdot 0$ type, but seemly, the L 'hopital's rule is useless. PS: I know the $infty cdot 0$ can be become to $frac{infty}{infty}$ or $frac{0}{0}$. But when I use the L 'hopital's rule to the $frac{infty}{infty}$ or $frac{0}{0}$ the calculation is complex and useless.



For the second one , it is $frac{infty}{infty}$ type, also useless the L 'hopital's rule is. How to calculate it ?






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    For $0timesinfty$ types, you can algebraically transform them into either $frac{0}{0}$ or $frac{infty}{infty}$, where you can try using L'Hopital's (though it may not help): just remember that $ab = frac{a}{ frac{1}{b} }$. And, L'Hopital's Rule is applicable for $frac{infty}{infty}$ indeterminates...
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I got stuck on two exercises below
$$
limlimits_{xrightarrow +infty} left(frac{2}{pi} arctan x right)^x \
lim_{xrightarrow 3^+} frac{cos x ln(x-3)}{ln(e^x-e^3)}
$$




For the first one , let $y=(frac{2}{pi} arctan x )^x $, so $ln y =xln (frac{2}{pi} arctan x )$, the right part is $infty cdot 0$ type, but seemly, the L 'hopital's rule is useless. PS: I know the $infty cdot 0$ can be become to $frac{infty}{infty}$ or $frac{0}{0}$. But when I use the L 'hopital's rule to the $frac{infty}{infty}$ or $frac{0}{0}$ the calculation is complex and useless.



For the second one , it is $frac{infty}{infty}$ type, also useless the L 'hopital's rule is. How to calculate it ?






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    For $0timesinfty$ types, you can algebraically transform them into either $frac{0}{0}$ or $frac{infty}{infty}$, where you can try using L'Hopital's (though it may not help): just remember that $ab = frac{a}{ frac{1}{b} }$. And, L'Hopital's Rule is applicable for $frac{infty}{infty}$ indeterminates...
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I got stuck on two exercises below
$$
limlimits_{xrightarrow +infty} left(frac{2}{pi} arctan x right)^x \
lim_{xrightarrow 3^+} frac{cos x ln(x-3)}{ln(e^x-e^3)}
$$




For the first one , let $y=(frac{2}{pi} arctan x )^x $, so $ln y =xln (frac{2}{pi} arctan x )$, the right part is $infty cdot 0$ type, but seemly, the L 'hopital's rule is useless. PS: I know the $infty cdot 0$ can be become to $frac{infty}{infty}$ or $frac{0}{0}$. But when I use the L 'hopital's rule to the $frac{infty}{infty}$ or $frac{0}{0}$ the calculation is complex and useless.



For the second one , it is $frac{infty}{infty}$ type, also useless the L 'hopital's rule is. How to calculate it ?






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I got stuck on two exercises below
$$
limlimits_{xrightarrow +infty} left(frac{2}{pi} arctan x right)^x \
lim_{xrightarrow 3^+} frac{cos x ln(x-3)}{ln(e^x-e^3)}
$$




For the first one , let $y=(frac{2}{pi} arctan x )^x $, so $ln y =xln (frac{2}{pi} arctan x )$, the right part is $infty cdot 0$ type, but seemly, the L 'hopital's rule is useless. PS: I know the $infty cdot 0$ can be become to $frac{infty}{infty}$ or $frac{0}{0}$. But when I use the L 'hopital's rule to the $frac{infty}{infty}$ or $frac{0}{0}$ the calculation is complex and useless.



For the second one , it is $frac{infty}{infty}$ type, also useless the L 'hopital's rule is. How to calculate it ?






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    For $0timesinfty$ types, you can algebraically transform them into either $frac{0}{0}$ or $frac{infty}{infty}$, where you can try using L'Hopital's (though it may not help): just remember that $ab = frac{a}{ frac{1}{b} }$. And, L'Hopital's Rule is applicable for $frac{infty}{infty}$ indeterminates...
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  • $begingroup$
    For $0timesinfty$ types, you can algebraically transform them into either $frac{0}{0}$ or $frac{infty}{infty}$, where you can try using L'Hopital's (though it may not help): just remember that $ab = frac{a}{ frac{1}{b} }$. And, L'Hopital's Rule is applicable for $frac{infty}{infty}$ indeterminates...
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For $0timesinfty$ types, you can algebraically transform them into either $frac{0}{0}$ or $frac{infty}{infty}$, where you can try using L'Hopital's (though it may not help): just remember that $ab = frac{a}{ frac{1}{b} }$. And, L'Hopital's Rule is applicable for $frac{infty}{infty}$ indeterminates...
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For $0timesinfty$ types, you can algebraically transform them into either $frac{0}{0}$ or $frac{infty}{infty}$, where you can try using L'Hopital's (though it may not help): just remember that $ab = frac{a}{ frac{1}{b} }$. And, L'Hopital's Rule is applicable for $frac{infty}{infty}$ indeterminates...
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Rewrite $inftycdot 0$ as $infty cdot dfrac{1}{infty}$. Now you can apply L'Hopital's rule: $$lim_{xto +infty}dfrac{left(ln 2/picdotarctan x right)}{1/x}=lim_{xto +infty}dfrac{pi/2cdot arctan x}{-1/x^2}cdot dfrac{1}{1+x^2}=-dfrac{pi }{2}lim_{xto +infty}arctan xcdot dfrac{x^2}{1+x^2}$$






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    Without L'Hospital
    $$y=left(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)^ximplies log(y)=x logleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right) $$



    Now, by Taylor for large values of $x$
    $$arctan (x)=frac{pi }{2}-frac{1}{x}+frac{1}{3 x^3}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^4}right)$$
    $$frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) =1-frac{2}{pi x}+frac{2}{3 pi x^3}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^4}right)$$ Taylor again
    $$logleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)= -frac{2}{pi x}-frac{2}{pi ^2 x^2}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$
    $$log(y)=xlogleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)= -frac{2}{pi }-frac{2}{pi ^2 x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^2}right)$$ Just continue with Taylor using $y=e^{log(y)}$ if you want to see not only the limit but also how it is approached






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      I believe you can apply L'hopital's rule for an indeterminate form like $frac{infty}{infty}$.






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        You can solve the first one using




        • $arctan x + operatorname{arccot}x = frac{pi}{2}$

        • $lim_{yto 0}(1-y)^{1/y} = e^{-1}$

        • $xoperatorname{arccot}x stackrel{stackrel{x =cot u}{uto 0^+}}{=} cot ucdot u = cos ucdot frac{u}{sin u} stackrel{u to 0^+}{longrightarrow} 1$


        begin{eqnarray*} left(frac{2}{pi} arctan x right)^x
        & stackrel{arctan x = frac{pi}{2}-operatorname{arccot}x}{=} & left( underbrace{left(1- frac{2}{pi}operatorname{arccot}xright)^{frac{pi}{2operatorname{arccot}x}}}_{stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} e^{-1}} right)^{frac{2}{pi}underbrace{xoperatorname{arccot}x}_{stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} 1}} \
        & stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} & e^{-frac{2}{pi}}
        end{eqnarray*}



        The second limit is quite straight forward as $lim_{xto 3+}cos x = cos 3$. Just consider





        • $frac{ln(x-3)}{ln(e^x-e^3)}$ and apply L'Hospital.






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          Rewrite $inftycdot 0$ as $infty cdot dfrac{1}{infty}$. Now you can apply L'Hopital's rule: $$lim_{xto +infty}dfrac{left(ln 2/picdotarctan x right)}{1/x}=lim_{xto +infty}dfrac{pi/2cdot arctan x}{-1/x^2}cdot dfrac{1}{1+x^2}=-dfrac{pi }{2}lim_{xto +infty}arctan xcdot dfrac{x^2}{1+x^2}$$






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            Rewrite $inftycdot 0$ as $infty cdot dfrac{1}{infty}$. Now you can apply L'Hopital's rule: $$lim_{xto +infty}dfrac{left(ln 2/picdotarctan x right)}{1/x}=lim_{xto +infty}dfrac{pi/2cdot arctan x}{-1/x^2}cdot dfrac{1}{1+x^2}=-dfrac{pi }{2}lim_{xto +infty}arctan xcdot dfrac{x^2}{1+x^2}$$






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              Rewrite $inftycdot 0$ as $infty cdot dfrac{1}{infty}$. Now you can apply L'Hopital's rule: $$lim_{xto +infty}dfrac{left(ln 2/picdotarctan x right)}{1/x}=lim_{xto +infty}dfrac{pi/2cdot arctan x}{-1/x^2}cdot dfrac{1}{1+x^2}=-dfrac{pi }{2}lim_{xto +infty}arctan xcdot dfrac{x^2}{1+x^2}$$






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              Rewrite $inftycdot 0$ as $infty cdot dfrac{1}{infty}$. Now you can apply L'Hopital's rule: $$lim_{xto +infty}dfrac{left(ln 2/picdotarctan x right)}{1/x}=lim_{xto +infty}dfrac{pi/2cdot arctan x}{-1/x^2}cdot dfrac{1}{1+x^2}=-dfrac{pi }{2}lim_{xto +infty}arctan xcdot dfrac{x^2}{1+x^2}$$







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                  Without L'Hospital
                  $$y=left(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)^ximplies log(y)=x logleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right) $$



                  Now, by Taylor for large values of $x$
                  $$arctan (x)=frac{pi }{2}-frac{1}{x}+frac{1}{3 x^3}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^4}right)$$
                  $$frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) =1-frac{2}{pi x}+frac{2}{3 pi x^3}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^4}right)$$ Taylor again
                  $$logleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)= -frac{2}{pi x}-frac{2}{pi ^2 x^2}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$
                  $$log(y)=xlogleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)= -frac{2}{pi }-frac{2}{pi ^2 x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^2}right)$$ Just continue with Taylor using $y=e^{log(y)}$ if you want to see not only the limit but also how it is approached






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                    Without L'Hospital
                    $$y=left(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)^ximplies log(y)=x logleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right) $$



                    Now, by Taylor for large values of $x$
                    $$arctan (x)=frac{pi }{2}-frac{1}{x}+frac{1}{3 x^3}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^4}right)$$
                    $$frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) =1-frac{2}{pi x}+frac{2}{3 pi x^3}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^4}right)$$ Taylor again
                    $$logleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)= -frac{2}{pi x}-frac{2}{pi ^2 x^2}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$
                    $$log(y)=xlogleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)= -frac{2}{pi }-frac{2}{pi ^2 x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^2}right)$$ Just continue with Taylor using $y=e^{log(y)}$ if you want to see not only the limit but also how it is approached






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                      Without L'Hospital
                      $$y=left(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)^ximplies log(y)=x logleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right) $$



                      Now, by Taylor for large values of $x$
                      $$arctan (x)=frac{pi }{2}-frac{1}{x}+frac{1}{3 x^3}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^4}right)$$
                      $$frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) =1-frac{2}{pi x}+frac{2}{3 pi x^3}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^4}right)$$ Taylor again
                      $$logleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)= -frac{2}{pi x}-frac{2}{pi ^2 x^2}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$
                      $$log(y)=xlogleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)= -frac{2}{pi }-frac{2}{pi ^2 x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^2}right)$$ Just continue with Taylor using $y=e^{log(y)}$ if you want to see not only the limit but also how it is approached






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                      Without L'Hospital
                      $$y=left(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)^ximplies log(y)=x logleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right) $$



                      Now, by Taylor for large values of $x$
                      $$arctan (x)=frac{pi }{2}-frac{1}{x}+frac{1}{3 x^3}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^4}right)$$
                      $$frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) =1-frac{2}{pi x}+frac{2}{3 pi x^3}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^4}right)$$ Taylor again
                      $$logleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)= -frac{2}{pi x}-frac{2}{pi ^2 x^2}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^3}right)$$
                      $$log(y)=xlogleft(frac{2}{pi} arctan (x) right)= -frac{2}{pi }-frac{2}{pi ^2 x}+Oleft(frac{1}{x^2}right)$$ Just continue with Taylor using $y=e^{log(y)}$ if you want to see not only the limit but also how it is approached







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                          I believe you can apply L'hopital's rule for an indeterminate form like $frac{infty}{infty}$.






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                                  You can solve the first one using




                                  • $arctan x + operatorname{arccot}x = frac{pi}{2}$

                                  • $lim_{yto 0}(1-y)^{1/y} = e^{-1}$

                                  • $xoperatorname{arccot}x stackrel{stackrel{x =cot u}{uto 0^+}}{=} cot ucdot u = cos ucdot frac{u}{sin u} stackrel{u to 0^+}{longrightarrow} 1$


                                  begin{eqnarray*} left(frac{2}{pi} arctan x right)^x
                                  & stackrel{arctan x = frac{pi}{2}-operatorname{arccot}x}{=} & left( underbrace{left(1- frac{2}{pi}operatorname{arccot}xright)^{frac{pi}{2operatorname{arccot}x}}}_{stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} e^{-1}} right)^{frac{2}{pi}underbrace{xoperatorname{arccot}x}_{stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} 1}} \
                                  & stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} & e^{-frac{2}{pi}}
                                  end{eqnarray*}



                                  The second limit is quite straight forward as $lim_{xto 3+}cos x = cos 3$. Just consider





                                  • $frac{ln(x-3)}{ln(e^x-e^3)}$ and apply L'Hospital.






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                                    You can solve the first one using




                                    • $arctan x + operatorname{arccot}x = frac{pi}{2}$

                                    • $lim_{yto 0}(1-y)^{1/y} = e^{-1}$

                                    • $xoperatorname{arccot}x stackrel{stackrel{x =cot u}{uto 0^+}}{=} cot ucdot u = cos ucdot frac{u}{sin u} stackrel{u to 0^+}{longrightarrow} 1$


                                    begin{eqnarray*} left(frac{2}{pi} arctan x right)^x
                                    & stackrel{arctan x = frac{pi}{2}-operatorname{arccot}x}{=} & left( underbrace{left(1- frac{2}{pi}operatorname{arccot}xright)^{frac{pi}{2operatorname{arccot}x}}}_{stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} e^{-1}} right)^{frac{2}{pi}underbrace{xoperatorname{arccot}x}_{stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} 1}} \
                                    & stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} & e^{-frac{2}{pi}}
                                    end{eqnarray*}



                                    The second limit is quite straight forward as $lim_{xto 3+}cos x = cos 3$. Just consider





                                    • $frac{ln(x-3)}{ln(e^x-e^3)}$ and apply L'Hospital.






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                                      You can solve the first one using




                                      • $arctan x + operatorname{arccot}x = frac{pi}{2}$

                                      • $lim_{yto 0}(1-y)^{1/y} = e^{-1}$

                                      • $xoperatorname{arccot}x stackrel{stackrel{x =cot u}{uto 0^+}}{=} cot ucdot u = cos ucdot frac{u}{sin u} stackrel{u to 0^+}{longrightarrow} 1$


                                      begin{eqnarray*} left(frac{2}{pi} arctan x right)^x
                                      & stackrel{arctan x = frac{pi}{2}-operatorname{arccot}x}{=} & left( underbrace{left(1- frac{2}{pi}operatorname{arccot}xright)^{frac{pi}{2operatorname{arccot}x}}}_{stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} e^{-1}} right)^{frac{2}{pi}underbrace{xoperatorname{arccot}x}_{stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} 1}} \
                                      & stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} & e^{-frac{2}{pi}}
                                      end{eqnarray*}



                                      The second limit is quite straight forward as $lim_{xto 3+}cos x = cos 3$. Just consider





                                      • $frac{ln(x-3)}{ln(e^x-e^3)}$ and apply L'Hospital.






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                                      You can solve the first one using




                                      • $arctan x + operatorname{arccot}x = frac{pi}{2}$

                                      • $lim_{yto 0}(1-y)^{1/y} = e^{-1}$

                                      • $xoperatorname{arccot}x stackrel{stackrel{x =cot u}{uto 0^+}}{=} cot ucdot u = cos ucdot frac{u}{sin u} stackrel{u to 0^+}{longrightarrow} 1$


                                      begin{eqnarray*} left(frac{2}{pi} arctan x right)^x
                                      & stackrel{arctan x = frac{pi}{2}-operatorname{arccot}x}{=} & left( underbrace{left(1- frac{2}{pi}operatorname{arccot}xright)^{frac{pi}{2operatorname{arccot}x}}}_{stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} e^{-1}} right)^{frac{2}{pi}underbrace{xoperatorname{arccot}x}_{stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} 1}} \
                                      & stackrel{x to +infty}{longrightarrow} & e^{-frac{2}{pi}}
                                      end{eqnarray*}



                                      The second limit is quite straight forward as $lim_{xto 3+}cos x = cos 3$. Just consider





                                      • $frac{ln(x-3)}{ln(e^x-e^3)}$ and apply L'Hospital.







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                                          up vote 6 down vote favorite 1 This program is for count number of partitions of a set with n elements into k subsets I am confusing here return k*countP(n-1, k) + countP(n-1, k-1); can some one explain what is happening here? why we are multiplying with k? NOTE->I know this is not the best way to calculate number of partitions that would be DP // A C++ program to count number of partitions // of a set with n elements into k subsets #include<iostream> using namespace std; // Returns count of different partitions of n // elements in k subsets int countP(int n, int k) { // Base cases if (n == 0 || k == 0 || k > n) return 0; if (k == 1 || k == n) return 1; // S(n+1, k) = k*S(n, k) + S(n, k-1) return k*countP(n-1, k) + countP(n-1, k-1); } // Driver program int ma
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                                          A CLEAN and SIMPLE way to add appendices to Table of Contents and bookmarks

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                                          0 I found a lot of questions abount appendices and ToC. Many users want appendices to be grouped in an Appendix part, however some problems arise with ToC, hyperref, PDF viewer bookmarks, and so on. There are different solutions which require extra packages, command patching and other extra code, however none of them satisfies me. I almost found an easy way to accomplish a good result, where appendices are added to bookmarks in the right way and hyperref links point to the right page. However, the number of the "Appendix" part page is wrong (it's the number of appendix A). Is there any EASY way to fix that? This is a MWE: documentclass{book} usepackage[nottoc,notlot,notlof]{tocbibind} usepackage{hyperref} begin{document} frontmatter tableofcontents mainmatter part{First} chapter{
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