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As an ancient organism whom currently occupies a large chunk of a planet beneath the surface, I have a pesky issue with an invasive species. These humans have decided to colonize my home, mistaking it for an uninhabited Earth-like planet. There aren't that many of them (yet), but I have a big problem with an orbiting station they deployed that keeps an eye on most of the planet. I want to keep my presence hidden, at least for now, and their ability to see a good chunk of the planet with optical cameras makes it tough for me to operate openly.



After careful observation, I've learned there's a critical weakness in its design: there's a communications "blister" on the outside of the station that allows it to send back what it's seeing, and also allows it to communicate with the rest of the galaxy. I also know that this planet is very remote by their standards; it would take months for someone to make it here or to the next system. As an added bonus, they don't have the ability to fix it themselves, and as far as I can tell this station is fully automated and uninhabited.



My plan is to manipulate the geology of the planet to create a crude gun that can hit this weak spot with a dense rock, ideally making it look like a 'nautral phenomenon'. Let's also say I had millennia to anticipate the need to defend myself, making it just another curious part of the surface before they even got here.



So, I need to make a 'cannon' that:




  • Looks like a natural geological formation

  • 'Powered' only by what naturally occurs in the crust of a planet (ex. lava, geothermal pressure, etc.)

  • Fires a projectile that can survive leaving the atmosphere

  • Has enough accuracy to hit a target that's no more than a few meters across

  • Ideally can launch my payload when nobody is looking (i.e. the station can't see me), allowing me to make it look like a stray asteroid

  • Allows most of the planet to remain inhabitable


It's fine if it's loud; I can always make some rumbling happen in advance and get the colonists accustomed to it. However, I don't want the result to outright kill them or maim them; it would cause less panic if there are no casualties or injuries. I need a month or two to get rid of them properly, and the less they suspect, the better.










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    If you're a planet sized organism, those pesky humans aren't even bacteria sized (relatively speaking). Using a volcanic gun (which is really the only answer that fits your requirement) is like using a shotgun to try to take out mosquitoes
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    This is a bloomin' cool idea, but there are "real world" limitations. (a) If it's to look natural, then it won't be able to hit but one spot in orbit. Having hundreds of such things to cover more orbits would stand out to a geologist like a sore thumb. (b) While natural phenomena exist with the necessary force - their destructive nature is... inconvenient. You would need appropriate damage on the ground to make the strike look natural. Are you willing to sacrifice your planet to save it? (c) This would only work once. The 2nd time they'd be on to you.
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    Hmm, what about BIG ruby lasers excited by lightning discharges. Fast aiming will be tricky but theoretically accurate if you can erode layers of sediment around a ruby rod the size of a telephone pole.
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As an ancient organism whom currently occupies a large chunk of a planet beneath the surface, I have a pesky issue with an invasive species. These humans have decided to colonize my home, mistaking it for an uninhabited Earth-like planet. There aren't that many of them (yet), but I have a big problem with an orbiting station they deployed that keeps an eye on most of the planet. I want to keep my presence hidden, at least for now, and their ability to see a good chunk of the planet with optical cameras makes it tough for me to operate openly.



After careful observation, I've learned there's a critical weakness in its design: there's a communications "blister" on the outside of the station that allows it to send back what it's seeing, and also allows it to communicate with the rest of the galaxy. I also know that this planet is very remote by their standards; it would take months for someone to make it here or to the next system. As an added bonus, they don't have the ability to fix it themselves, and as far as I can tell this station is fully automated and uninhabited.



My plan is to manipulate the geology of the planet to create a crude gun that can hit this weak spot with a dense rock, ideally making it look like a 'nautral phenomenon'. Let's also say I had millennia to anticipate the need to defend myself, making it just another curious part of the surface before they even got here.



So, I need to make a 'cannon' that:




  • Looks like a natural geological formation

  • 'Powered' only by what naturally occurs in the crust of a planet (ex. lava, geothermal pressure, etc.)

  • Fires a projectile that can survive leaving the atmosphere

  • Has enough accuracy to hit a target that's no more than a few meters across

  • Ideally can launch my payload when nobody is looking (i.e. the station can't see me), allowing me to make it look like a stray asteroid

  • Allows most of the planet to remain inhabitable


It's fine if it's loud; I can always make some rumbling happen in advance and get the colonists accustomed to it. However, I don't want the result to outright kill them or maim them; it would cause less panic if there are no casualties or injuries. I need a month or two to get rid of them properly, and the less they suspect, the better.










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    If you're a planet sized organism, those pesky humans aren't even bacteria sized (relatively speaking). Using a volcanic gun (which is really the only answer that fits your requirement) is like using a shotgun to try to take out mosquitoes
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    This is a bloomin' cool idea, but there are "real world" limitations. (a) If it's to look natural, then it won't be able to hit but one spot in orbit. Having hundreds of such things to cover more orbits would stand out to a geologist like a sore thumb. (b) While natural phenomena exist with the necessary force - their destructive nature is... inconvenient. You would need appropriate damage on the ground to make the strike look natural. Are you willing to sacrifice your planet to save it? (c) This would only work once. The 2nd time they'd be on to you.
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    Hmm, what about BIG ruby lasers excited by lightning discharges. Fast aiming will be tricky but theoretically accurate if you can erode layers of sediment around a ruby rod the size of a telephone pole.
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As an ancient organism whom currently occupies a large chunk of a planet beneath the surface, I have a pesky issue with an invasive species. These humans have decided to colonize my home, mistaking it for an uninhabited Earth-like planet. There aren't that many of them (yet), but I have a big problem with an orbiting station they deployed that keeps an eye on most of the planet. I want to keep my presence hidden, at least for now, and their ability to see a good chunk of the planet with optical cameras makes it tough for me to operate openly.



After careful observation, I've learned there's a critical weakness in its design: there's a communications "blister" on the outside of the station that allows it to send back what it's seeing, and also allows it to communicate with the rest of the galaxy. I also know that this planet is very remote by their standards; it would take months for someone to make it here or to the next system. As an added bonus, they don't have the ability to fix it themselves, and as far as I can tell this station is fully automated and uninhabited.



My plan is to manipulate the geology of the planet to create a crude gun that can hit this weak spot with a dense rock, ideally making it look like a 'nautral phenomenon'. Let's also say I had millennia to anticipate the need to defend myself, making it just another curious part of the surface before they even got here.



So, I need to make a 'cannon' that:




  • Looks like a natural geological formation

  • 'Powered' only by what naturally occurs in the crust of a planet (ex. lava, geothermal pressure, etc.)

  • Fires a projectile that can survive leaving the atmosphere

  • Has enough accuracy to hit a target that's no more than a few meters across

  • Ideally can launch my payload when nobody is looking (i.e. the station can't see me), allowing me to make it look like a stray asteroid

  • Allows most of the planet to remain inhabitable


It's fine if it's loud; I can always make some rumbling happen in advance and get the colonists accustomed to it. However, I don't want the result to outright kill them or maim them; it would cause less panic if there are no casualties or injuries. I need a month or two to get rid of them properly, and the less they suspect, the better.










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As an ancient organism whom currently occupies a large chunk of a planet beneath the surface, I have a pesky issue with an invasive species. These humans have decided to colonize my home, mistaking it for an uninhabited Earth-like planet. There aren't that many of them (yet), but I have a big problem with an orbiting station they deployed that keeps an eye on most of the planet. I want to keep my presence hidden, at least for now, and their ability to see a good chunk of the planet with optical cameras makes it tough for me to operate openly.



After careful observation, I've learned there's a critical weakness in its design: there's a communications "blister" on the outside of the station that allows it to send back what it's seeing, and also allows it to communicate with the rest of the galaxy. I also know that this planet is very remote by their standards; it would take months for someone to make it here or to the next system. As an added bonus, they don't have the ability to fix it themselves, and as far as I can tell this station is fully automated and uninhabited.



My plan is to manipulate the geology of the planet to create a crude gun that can hit this weak spot with a dense rock, ideally making it look like a 'nautral phenomenon'. Let's also say I had millennia to anticipate the need to defend myself, making it just another curious part of the surface before they even got here.



So, I need to make a 'cannon' that:




  • Looks like a natural geological formation

  • 'Powered' only by what naturally occurs in the crust of a planet (ex. lava, geothermal pressure, etc.)

  • Fires a projectile that can survive leaving the atmosphere

  • Has enough accuracy to hit a target that's no more than a few meters across

  • Ideally can launch my payload when nobody is looking (i.e. the station can't see me), allowing me to make it look like a stray asteroid

  • Allows most of the planet to remain inhabitable


It's fine if it's loud; I can always make some rumbling happen in advance and get the colonists accustomed to it. However, I don't want the result to outright kill them or maim them; it would cause less panic if there are no casualties or injuries. I need a month or two to get rid of them properly, and the less they suspect, the better.







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    If you're a planet sized organism, those pesky humans aren't even bacteria sized (relatively speaking). Using a volcanic gun (which is really the only answer that fits your requirement) is like using a shotgun to try to take out mosquitoes
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    This is a bloomin' cool idea, but there are "real world" limitations. (a) If it's to look natural, then it won't be able to hit but one spot in orbit. Having hundreds of such things to cover more orbits would stand out to a geologist like a sore thumb. (b) While natural phenomena exist with the necessary force - their destructive nature is... inconvenient. You would need appropriate damage on the ground to make the strike look natural. Are you willing to sacrifice your planet to save it? (c) This would only work once. The 2nd time they'd be on to you.
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    Hmm, what about BIG ruby lasers excited by lightning discharges. Fast aiming will be tricky but theoretically accurate if you can erode layers of sediment around a ruby rod the size of a telephone pole.
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    If you're a planet sized organism, those pesky humans aren't even bacteria sized (relatively speaking). Using a volcanic gun (which is really the only answer that fits your requirement) is like using a shotgun to try to take out mosquitoes
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    This is a bloomin' cool idea, but there are "real world" limitations. (a) If it's to look natural, then it won't be able to hit but one spot in orbit. Having hundreds of such things to cover more orbits would stand out to a geologist like a sore thumb. (b) While natural phenomena exist with the necessary force - their destructive nature is... inconvenient. You would need appropriate damage on the ground to make the strike look natural. Are you willing to sacrifice your planet to save it? (c) This would only work once. The 2nd time they'd be on to you.
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    Hmm, what about BIG ruby lasers excited by lightning discharges. Fast aiming will be tricky but theoretically accurate if you can erode layers of sediment around a ruby rod the size of a telephone pole.
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If you're a planet sized organism, those pesky humans aren't even bacteria sized (relatively speaking). Using a volcanic gun (which is really the only answer that fits your requirement) is like using a shotgun to try to take out mosquitoes
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If you're a planet sized organism, those pesky humans aren't even bacteria sized (relatively speaking). Using a volcanic gun (which is really the only answer that fits your requirement) is like using a shotgun to try to take out mosquitoes
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This is a bloomin' cool idea, but there are "real world" limitations. (a) If it's to look natural, then it won't be able to hit but one spot in orbit. Having hundreds of such things to cover more orbits would stand out to a geologist like a sore thumb. (b) While natural phenomena exist with the necessary force - their destructive nature is... inconvenient. You would need appropriate damage on the ground to make the strike look natural. Are you willing to sacrifice your planet to save it? (c) This would only work once. The 2nd time they'd be on to you.
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This is a bloomin' cool idea, but there are "real world" limitations. (a) If it's to look natural, then it won't be able to hit but one spot in orbit. Having hundreds of such things to cover more orbits would stand out to a geologist like a sore thumb. (b) While natural phenomena exist with the necessary force - their destructive nature is... inconvenient. You would need appropriate damage on the ground to make the strike look natural. Are you willing to sacrifice your planet to save it? (c) This would only work once. The 2nd time they'd be on to you.
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It doesn't seem to be possible using "normal" geology. You'd need a supervolcano to attain the required energies, and "piloting" one with the required precision doesn't look doable.



You need to score a direct hit; getting in orbit isn't enough, since any station would have ACS thrusters and be able to both detect a coorbiting incoming missile, and avoid it.



You could perhaps build yourself a single-shot, nuclear long-gun, using a fizzle bomb design (this happens in at least one story that I know of). Basically, you build an inclined well with lightly enriched uranium, fill it with lithium deuteride, and have it explode. Can you do all these things? If you can manipulate magma, then perhaps.



"Natural" reactors have occurred on Earth; of course they never had the least chance of exploding. But if you disseminated the components elsewhere, too, instead of just in the one place, it could be believed to be "just the way the planet is".



The problem will be in accurately guiding the real projectile (you'll need a large number of decoys, otherwise the chances of one single projectile killing exactly the communication blister on an orbiting space station being dismissed as "Aw, tough luck" will be nil). You'll probably have to devise some way of guiding the projectile using fins and single-use steam reaction jets, which also mean controlling it somehow at a distance - can you fork a nonsentient, small scale replica of yourself capable of doing the job and surviving launch? Also, you can't hit the blister with the main projectile - that will be analyzed, so it has to be a normal rock, a piece of the main projectile, while the rest has to lose itself in space or burn at reentry, to leave less traces.



(The above actually solves the accuracy problem somewhat: the controlled vehicle gets shot into orbit, "close enough" to the station. Once it is close enough, it fakes breaking into several fragments - one of which is aimed at the station. At that distance and in microgravity, aiming will be much easier and the shot will require a lot less energy. The launch vehicle doesn't need to be accurate at all).






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    This is the kind of logic I'm looking for. The impact isn't going to get a lot of analysis, but I agree a single hit is way too suspicious. Having a sentient 'fork' of the original organism sounds like a plot device I can even use later. This organism has unspecified powers of manipulation over its environment, so I can work that in. Much appreciated!
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    Natural reactor and natural bomb are two very different things, bombs need far more enrichment.
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    @John True. But that is the "beauty" of the fizzle design - while wasteful and inefficient, and almost useless as a strategic weapon, it allows using almost non-enriched uranium (or that was the premise of Robert L. Forward).
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I think there's a misunderstanding about space going on here. According to the title, you want to get an object into orbit with a cannon of some kind. This can't be done; every orbit includes the point at which delta-V was last spent. If you're launching from some kind of cannon, that means the orbit intersects with that cannon and probably the ground. Rockets in real life get around this by burning their engines again once they're way above the atmosphere.



But you don't need to get an object into orbit to hit something in orbit. You just need to reach the same altitude, which is much much easier. I think a volcano is your best bet; a supervolcanic eruption might be able to launch a rock into space. As I said, not into orbit though.






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    Very good point. I hadn't realized how unfeasible orbit would be; my logic was around trying to pass off this attack as something that could, in theory, have come from some random origin in space. Thanks for the input!
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    The title is just a summary; you have to read the question fully before answering it. The question is actually asking about launching a rock to hit something in orbit. The rock itself doesn't need to orbit, so your delta-V argument is irrelevant.
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    every orbit intersects its origin if the projectole survives that long. imagine something on a highly elliptical orbit hitting the satellite from outside.
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    @Ryan_L But the asker doesn't want to put something in orbit: they want to throw a rock to hit something that's in orbit.
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    @Ryan_L As I have already said, the title is only a summary; in this case, not a very accurate summary. Please read the whole question, not just the title. I've now edited the title to reflect what the question actually says.
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You may choose a different scenario.



Start with a supervolcano eruption. No, not one to hit the space station. One that will throw enough material into the atmosphere that it blocks most if not all radio-magnetic transmission. The dust in the atmosphere will last for months, even years, so you have plenty of time to get rid of humans while they are cut from their communication and then being invisible from the orbit prepare something to destroy the station in not-so-natural way. Another benefit is that this can change your planet's climate in a way that can itself be deadly at least to some level to the intruders.






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    well this may work it will likely cause extreme damage to the plants "due to much smaller sunlight getting in" and will lead to massive environmental damage if it is to the scale you say.
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Not a chance.





  1. You need to give the projectile all of the energy it needs in a very brief space of time (the time it needs to clear the volcano, to mention an example). That is an awesome amount of power. Remember that our rockets carry their fuel with them and burn it as they raise, it is highly inefficient but the alternative method would destroy the rocket at launch.



    You need some sturdy material for your projectile, and worse, you need to reinforce a lot the structure of any volcano, geyser, whatever that you want to use as your energy source. And not only the "cannon", but all around it, because you cannot allow that pressure that you need to build to escape by blowing some other part of the volcano.



    Mind you, completing engineering works of this scale in an active volcano is not an easy task, and likely to be observed by the ship. Overcoming this hurdle is a really unbelievable feat.



  2. Precision. The worst one. You are sending an unguided projectile towards a minuscule target in a big sky. Any mistake in the measurements of the target orbit, your projectile weight and aerodinamics, your energy source power, the local weather, and you have nothing but a piece of rock wandering around your planet, almost harmless. Chaos theory says that you will fail.


  3. Countermesures. It is difficult to believe that a spaceship by an advanced spacefaring civilization will not have some means of detecting and avoiding a meteorite strike (at the very least just changing its speed to avoid the crash).







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    Can you manipulate your local equivalent of the Van Allen belts to focus solar radiation and fry the satellite's electronics? Gets rid of the off-world communications and the video link without actually destroying the satellite..






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    On earth, the most common natural looking formation that can shoot rocks is a volcano. Yes, we know that a volcano shoots rocks high above the earth but not outside the atmosphere. So we can just modify the volcano to make the crater thinner, small and more round so that there is perfection in the accuracy. For launching a rock into the orbit we need the rock to be in an aerodynamic shape and have a highly flammable material on the bottom of the rock which can be triggered by the hot lava. So we have a volcano shooting out a rock missile into orbit. But we still won't have the right pressure so we will try to pressurize the volcano from within. We can use a system that lets lava come in but not out so that we have enough pressure and we can use a big door that will be opened when the pressure is right.



    This might work but the accuracy will not be so good. So you can just launch it in such an orbit that it will crash with the station in the orbit and not directly hit it.






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      You could also use a geyser that expels superheated steam, heated through contact with liquid magma. That should give you enough power
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      Seems like you'd want to launch a cloud of small rocks rather than a single, perfect one. You use a shotgun to shoot birds on the wing.
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    OP you specified earth-like but this is usually used to define atmosphere makeup and temperatures - what about a smaller planet (lower escape velocity), natural geologic formations that are much taller than the ones on earth due to tectonic activity? One could create something that is essentially a space-sling from a spot that is much higher altitude and solves most of your dilemmas. People on the ground might not even notice that there is something in the slingshot, which would be moving at a much higher velocity and could be released with pinpoint accuracy during the normal rotation of the earth.



    Hell, you could have some kind of natural vine, native to the planet, that 'unintentionally' created a space elevator that the parasites utilized to ship materials to and from the station at one time. Then one day, when the planet's spin managed to line up with the station, suddenly let out a lot of extra line, swinging the end of the elevator in to the blister and destroying it, then retracting it immediately. No muss, no fuss.






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      Geostationary orbit (the orbit at which the angular velocity of Earth is equal to the velocity of a satellite keeping orbit) is nearly 36.000 kms high. That "bulge" would have about 5 times the radius of Earth itself... And of course, anything left there would stay there (even if it wasnt' touching the "ground"), making it easy to spot.
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    Have you considered putting the orbiting station in a low orbit that needs occasional re-boosting to stop it de-orbiting? Spy satellites are often in low orbits to get the best detail in their pictures. The International Space Station would crash after about 15 months if abandoned.



    If you can knock out the communications and any automated re-boosting mechanism, the satellite would burn up and take all the evidence of what happened with it so nobody can tell the difference between a software bug, a manufacturing defect, and a meteoroid strike.



    Then if the gun from LSerni's great answer could fire something as radioactive as the heart of the Chernobyl sarcophagus, you could claim it only needed to get within a few tens of meters. All the humans see is their satellite has stopped responding and they can't tell why, and it burns up on re-entry before anyone can get there to investigate.






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      1. If you want to destroy their station, set a cloud of gas on the orbit (if it's not very high). You will get the most part of your gas back later. Do it several times while the station is on the other side of the planet. The speed of the station will decrease and it will get down. It will get damaged at first. Repeat while they not repair it.


      2. Exotic things like atmospheric gas laser, microgravity resonance etc are not practical.



      3. Use your strength. Yours is time (on geological scales) Theirs is money.




        • Methodically destroy every habitat ship landing. They will find correlation very soon.


        • They will use robots. Destroy power plants.


        • They will use nano-robots. Destroy stocks and launch sites to prevent them stealing your resources.


        • They will use molecule-level robots to set you to a gray goo. Develop this technology




      4. Those monsters will come back. They will set more than 1 station quite far from the planet. So get ready. The maximum reasonable impact is asteroids they will set on you. You are not scared of atomic bombs, aren't you? Well, they would set a mini black hole or something like this to finally get energy from you but I cannot get a solution for this case now.


      5. Use energy of your star to get out of the habitat zone in your planet system. May be it would be even profitable for you, you just did not think about it. It will take a lot of time so start right now. If you use some space inside the planet it probably is not critical for you.


      6. Split and diversify your bodies for different conditions, impacts and possibilities. This incident will be start of your infinite expansion to the space. They are split by their greed. You will get unite with the new infinite goal that will transform you. Set yourself total on this. They got here to wake up you. This is the aim of any real contact. Get their passion and apply with your planet-wide scale. Make all possible for this, not to get rid of that piece of shit on the orbit.



      @Chris Bradshaw presented an elegant solution for big distances, but the Juno Radiation Vault mission proves that even today's shielded electronics can work some years even in radiation belts of Jupiter, which are more intensive than ones for an Earth-like planet



      Probably the author will have a strike on the ground. He definitely will win the first one and will have some time to another. Any solutions to rise costs of taking ownership on the planet to unacceptable, including terraforming to temperature and atmospheric conditions unacceptable for invaders. Like on Venus. Oh, mankind is a big pain in the ass.



      But wait a minute. "These humans have decided to colonize my home, mistaking it for an uninhabited Earth-like planet."



      Are we talking about Earth? Because our thoughts more likely are inspired by our environment, not by something else like Solaris in hundreds of light years somewhere.



      The space station is the opposite side for the action. As the center of crazy mind like a Death Star. They think they are only rational, legitimate, self-consistent and independent in all the space around.






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        Assuming an earth-like planet...



        Satellites are not meant to land



        Strategic heating of the atmosphere combined with a well placed hurricane or five and you can raise the atmosphere to the point where if they aren't watching they might accidentally enter the atmosphere, burn up and crash. As is the ISS actually experiences significant atmospheric drag ramping this up a bit will significantly lessen the life span of satellites in low orbit.



        The Good



        Changes to surface albedo, minor core cooling, tropospheric disturbances cause no long term losses of mass. It looks completely like a fluke.



        The Bad



        Anything designed for interstellar travel shouldn't have problem station keeping indefinitely.



        The Fix



        The observation post was intended to be temporary. It was put in an orbit that would only last 50 years before atmospheric entry. Low so that it could cover more ground faster, but not so low it would need station keeping fuel and thrusters.



        Radiation Squeeze



        The hypothetical planet has a magnetic field which blocks incoming radiation and ends up trapping it in high orbit much like our Van Allen Radiation belts. These ions are mostly free protons and electrons in belts segregated by charge. There are also limited amounts of positrons and anti-electrons as well as ionized helium floating around. The particles can destroy equipment and will certainly disrupt electronics. If you adjust the magnetic field of the planet to bring the belt into path of the satellite it may degrade its performance to the point where it no longer functions.



        The Good



        No mass lost. The South Atlantic Anomaly (where the belt reaches 200km above the surface as opposed to 2000km) is a thing so this looks like an unhappy planet to be.



        The Bad



        Interplanetary craft must deal with solar flares which can be far worse.



        The Fix



        Protecting the electronics from radiation surges often means shutting them down. If the shutdown needs to be longer than expected or more often than expected the station may be damaged anyway. Time this with a strong solar flare and you might be able to take it down.



        Both at once



        The planet is looking nice and hospitable. Strong spherical magnetic field nicely aligned with it smooth regular surface. Even flow of a liquid core. It's a relatively cool planet without strong temperature gradients. The sun is entering a maximum of activity but it shouldn't matter, everything is okay inside of the planets magnetic belt. Geologists are reporting that a large glacial lake is about to rupture some time in the next thousand years and it should be a spectacular display.



        The earthen dam gave way far earlier than expected but such events have never been observed live. The biggest change and a large layer of fresh water on top of the planets largest ocean. In other notes there is a small magnetic anomaly forming at mid latitudes. There is no projected change to the magnetosphere at this time, but watch for variations in local declination.



        Meteorology reports that turbidity is increasing and sea surface temperature is rising. A small dust storm is forming in the basin left by the drained glacier. They expect that a hurricane will be forming in the next 3-5 days and rapidly move to mid latitudes. The first one observed on this planet.



        The hurricane has formed. Meteorology is going wild. There hasn't been a storm this big recorded ever on earth. Solar flare predicted to impact in 2 days Observation station going into protective shut down mode. The magnetic anomaly has strengthened. It looks like we are at the beginning of a shift of the planets magnetic poles.



        The solar flare was stronger and faster than expected the system only got partially shut down and there are some data corruption issues. The information we are getting is only intermittent. We are attempting a reboot from the ground station.



        More data is in coming in now. Full system integrity checks take two hours to complete. There is some sort of radiation anomaly occurring forcing a reset every 93 minutes. Atmospheric craft report the hurricane has only intensified.



        Communication has been fully restored with with observation station. It seems the planets Van Allen belts have reoriented themselves with the magnetic poles shift. In order to maintain the observation stations integrity we need to shut it down when passing through the anomaly. Unfortunately, the anomaly occurs near apogee. We are trying to schedule a station keeping maneuver but the orbit is decaying far faster then predicted.






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          1. What is the most energetic phenomenon a planet might have access to? I here assert this to be impacts from extraplanetary objects.


          2. Could an impact from an extraplanetary object propel material off of the impacted planet fast enough to escape the gravity well of the planet? Yes - a meteorite loosed from Mars was in the news some years ago as potentially containing fossil microbes. An ancient rock blasted loose from Earth was recently discovered in a collection of moon rocks.


          3. Could rocks blasted loose from the planet by an impactor disrupt an orbiting satellite? I think yes. Clearly a rock moving fast enough to reach the moon could do some damage if it hit something en route. I would assume this moon-destined rock was one of many and that the impact would produce a shotgun-like giant cloud of rock.


          4. Could a planetary super creature induce an impactor to hit? This is where it gets tricky. Let us assume the creature can manipulate the planet's magnetic field by altering magmatic flow. A magnetic field can induce a current within a conductor moving within it; metal asteroids / meteors would be conductors. The current within the moving asteroid generates heat. The energy to create this heat is taken from the kinetic energy of the moving asteroid thru the magnetic field, thus slowing the asteroid. This slowing /heating would occur for a meteor moving perpendicular to lines of force, not parallel. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1946PA.....54..482R



          Thus by manipulating magnetic fields, the creature could steer a meteor to some degree, possibly inducing a meteor to hit in such a way as to launch a cloud of rock at escape velocity, obliterating the satellite.





          This induced mega impact is kind of a bold maneuver given the creature calls the planet home. But if it can steer nearby asteroids to some degree, why not steer a small one into the spacecraft and leave out the massive impact part? Even this would take great effort on the part of the creature as well as knowledge of asteroids in the vicinity (which it might perceive, at least periodically, if it were an electromagnetic creature).



          It might miss the first several times it tried. In fact for the story I like the idea of it missing every time but then realizing that the alteration of the magnetic field actually was greatly altering the stream of charged particles from the solar wind. Rather than whack the satellite with a fast moving piece of metal, it rearranges the planet's field so charged particles are funneled down onto the satellite, producing a quiet death from a thousand cuts.






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            It doesn't seem to be possible using "normal" geology. You'd need a supervolcano to attain the required energies, and "piloting" one with the required precision doesn't look doable.



            You need to score a direct hit; getting in orbit isn't enough, since any station would have ACS thrusters and be able to both detect a coorbiting incoming missile, and avoid it.



            You could perhaps build yourself a single-shot, nuclear long-gun, using a fizzle bomb design (this happens in at least one story that I know of). Basically, you build an inclined well with lightly enriched uranium, fill it with lithium deuteride, and have it explode. Can you do all these things? If you can manipulate magma, then perhaps.



            "Natural" reactors have occurred on Earth; of course they never had the least chance of exploding. But if you disseminated the components elsewhere, too, instead of just in the one place, it could be believed to be "just the way the planet is".



            The problem will be in accurately guiding the real projectile (you'll need a large number of decoys, otherwise the chances of one single projectile killing exactly the communication blister on an orbiting space station being dismissed as "Aw, tough luck" will be nil). You'll probably have to devise some way of guiding the projectile using fins and single-use steam reaction jets, which also mean controlling it somehow at a distance - can you fork a nonsentient, small scale replica of yourself capable of doing the job and surviving launch? Also, you can't hit the blister with the main projectile - that will be analyzed, so it has to be a normal rock, a piece of the main projectile, while the rest has to lose itself in space or burn at reentry, to leave less traces.



            (The above actually solves the accuracy problem somewhat: the controlled vehicle gets shot into orbit, "close enough" to the station. Once it is close enough, it fakes breaking into several fragments - one of which is aimed at the station. At that distance and in microgravity, aiming will be much easier and the shot will require a lot less energy. The launch vehicle doesn't need to be accurate at all).






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              This is the kind of logic I'm looking for. The impact isn't going to get a lot of analysis, but I agree a single hit is way too suspicious. Having a sentient 'fork' of the original organism sounds like a plot device I can even use later. This organism has unspecified powers of manipulation over its environment, so I can work that in. Much appreciated!
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              @John True. But that is the "beauty" of the fizzle design - while wasteful and inefficient, and almost useless as a strategic weapon, it allows using almost non-enriched uranium (or that was the premise of Robert L. Forward).
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            It doesn't seem to be possible using "normal" geology. You'd need a supervolcano to attain the required energies, and "piloting" one with the required precision doesn't look doable.



            You need to score a direct hit; getting in orbit isn't enough, since any station would have ACS thrusters and be able to both detect a coorbiting incoming missile, and avoid it.



            You could perhaps build yourself a single-shot, nuclear long-gun, using a fizzle bomb design (this happens in at least one story that I know of). Basically, you build an inclined well with lightly enriched uranium, fill it with lithium deuteride, and have it explode. Can you do all these things? If you can manipulate magma, then perhaps.



            "Natural" reactors have occurred on Earth; of course they never had the least chance of exploding. But if you disseminated the components elsewhere, too, instead of just in the one place, it could be believed to be "just the way the planet is".



            The problem will be in accurately guiding the real projectile (you'll need a large number of decoys, otherwise the chances of one single projectile killing exactly the communication blister on an orbiting space station being dismissed as "Aw, tough luck" will be nil). You'll probably have to devise some way of guiding the projectile using fins and single-use steam reaction jets, which also mean controlling it somehow at a distance - can you fork a nonsentient, small scale replica of yourself capable of doing the job and surviving launch? Also, you can't hit the blister with the main projectile - that will be analyzed, so it has to be a normal rock, a piece of the main projectile, while the rest has to lose itself in space or burn at reentry, to leave less traces.



            (The above actually solves the accuracy problem somewhat: the controlled vehicle gets shot into orbit, "close enough" to the station. Once it is close enough, it fakes breaking into several fragments - one of which is aimed at the station. At that distance and in microgravity, aiming will be much easier and the shot will require a lot less energy. The launch vehicle doesn't need to be accurate at all).






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              This is the kind of logic I'm looking for. The impact isn't going to get a lot of analysis, but I agree a single hit is way too suspicious. Having a sentient 'fork' of the original organism sounds like a plot device I can even use later. This organism has unspecified powers of manipulation over its environment, so I can work that in. Much appreciated!
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              @John True. But that is the "beauty" of the fizzle design - while wasteful and inefficient, and almost useless as a strategic weapon, it allows using almost non-enriched uranium (or that was the premise of Robert L. Forward).
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            It doesn't seem to be possible using "normal" geology. You'd need a supervolcano to attain the required energies, and "piloting" one with the required precision doesn't look doable.



            You need to score a direct hit; getting in orbit isn't enough, since any station would have ACS thrusters and be able to both detect a coorbiting incoming missile, and avoid it.



            You could perhaps build yourself a single-shot, nuclear long-gun, using a fizzle bomb design (this happens in at least one story that I know of). Basically, you build an inclined well with lightly enriched uranium, fill it with lithium deuteride, and have it explode. Can you do all these things? If you can manipulate magma, then perhaps.



            "Natural" reactors have occurred on Earth; of course they never had the least chance of exploding. But if you disseminated the components elsewhere, too, instead of just in the one place, it could be believed to be "just the way the planet is".



            The problem will be in accurately guiding the real projectile (you'll need a large number of decoys, otherwise the chances of one single projectile killing exactly the communication blister on an orbiting space station being dismissed as "Aw, tough luck" will be nil). You'll probably have to devise some way of guiding the projectile using fins and single-use steam reaction jets, which also mean controlling it somehow at a distance - can you fork a nonsentient, small scale replica of yourself capable of doing the job and surviving launch? Also, you can't hit the blister with the main projectile - that will be analyzed, so it has to be a normal rock, a piece of the main projectile, while the rest has to lose itself in space or burn at reentry, to leave less traces.



            (The above actually solves the accuracy problem somewhat: the controlled vehicle gets shot into orbit, "close enough" to the station. Once it is close enough, it fakes breaking into several fragments - one of which is aimed at the station. At that distance and in microgravity, aiming will be much easier and the shot will require a lot less energy. The launch vehicle doesn't need to be accurate at all).






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            It doesn't seem to be possible using "normal" geology. You'd need a supervolcano to attain the required energies, and "piloting" one with the required precision doesn't look doable.



            You need to score a direct hit; getting in orbit isn't enough, since any station would have ACS thrusters and be able to both detect a coorbiting incoming missile, and avoid it.



            You could perhaps build yourself a single-shot, nuclear long-gun, using a fizzle bomb design (this happens in at least one story that I know of). Basically, you build an inclined well with lightly enriched uranium, fill it with lithium deuteride, and have it explode. Can you do all these things? If you can manipulate magma, then perhaps.



            "Natural" reactors have occurred on Earth; of course they never had the least chance of exploding. But if you disseminated the components elsewhere, too, instead of just in the one place, it could be believed to be "just the way the planet is".



            The problem will be in accurately guiding the real projectile (you'll need a large number of decoys, otherwise the chances of one single projectile killing exactly the communication blister on an orbiting space station being dismissed as "Aw, tough luck" will be nil). You'll probably have to devise some way of guiding the projectile using fins and single-use steam reaction jets, which also mean controlling it somehow at a distance - can you fork a nonsentient, small scale replica of yourself capable of doing the job and surviving launch? Also, you can't hit the blister with the main projectile - that will be analyzed, so it has to be a normal rock, a piece of the main projectile, while the rest has to lose itself in space or burn at reentry, to leave less traces.



            (The above actually solves the accuracy problem somewhat: the controlled vehicle gets shot into orbit, "close enough" to the station. Once it is close enough, it fakes breaking into several fragments - one of which is aimed at the station. At that distance and in microgravity, aiming will be much easier and the shot will require a lot less energy. The launch vehicle doesn't need to be accurate at all).







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              This is the kind of logic I'm looking for. The impact isn't going to get a lot of analysis, but I agree a single hit is way too suspicious. Having a sentient 'fork' of the original organism sounds like a plot device I can even use later. This organism has unspecified powers of manipulation over its environment, so I can work that in. Much appreciated!
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              @John True. But that is the "beauty" of the fizzle design - while wasteful and inefficient, and almost useless as a strategic weapon, it allows using almost non-enriched uranium (or that was the premise of Robert L. Forward).
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              This is the kind of logic I'm looking for. The impact isn't going to get a lot of analysis, but I agree a single hit is way too suspicious. Having a sentient 'fork' of the original organism sounds like a plot device I can even use later. This organism has unspecified powers of manipulation over its environment, so I can work that in. Much appreciated!
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              @John True. But that is the "beauty" of the fizzle design - while wasteful and inefficient, and almost useless as a strategic weapon, it allows using almost non-enriched uranium (or that was the premise of Robert L. Forward).
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            This is the kind of logic I'm looking for. The impact isn't going to get a lot of analysis, but I agree a single hit is way too suspicious. Having a sentient 'fork' of the original organism sounds like a plot device I can even use later. This organism has unspecified powers of manipulation over its environment, so I can work that in. Much appreciated!
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            This is the kind of logic I'm looking for. The impact isn't going to get a lot of analysis, but I agree a single hit is way too suspicious. Having a sentient 'fork' of the original organism sounds like a plot device I can even use later. This organism has unspecified powers of manipulation over its environment, so I can work that in. Much appreciated!
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            Natural reactor and natural bomb are two very different things, bombs need far more enrichment.
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            I think there's a misunderstanding about space going on here. According to the title, you want to get an object into orbit with a cannon of some kind. This can't be done; every orbit includes the point at which delta-V was last spent. If you're launching from some kind of cannon, that means the orbit intersects with that cannon and probably the ground. Rockets in real life get around this by burning their engines again once they're way above the atmosphere.



            But you don't need to get an object into orbit to hit something in orbit. You just need to reach the same altitude, which is much much easier. I think a volcano is your best bet; a supervolcanic eruption might be able to launch a rock into space. As I said, not into orbit though.






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              Very good point. I hadn't realized how unfeasible orbit would be; my logic was around trying to pass off this attack as something that could, in theory, have come from some random origin in space. Thanks for the input!
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              The title is just a summary; you have to read the question fully before answering it. The question is actually asking about launching a rock to hit something in orbit. The rock itself doesn't need to orbit, so your delta-V argument is irrelevant.
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              every orbit intersects its origin if the projectole survives that long. imagine something on a highly elliptical orbit hitting the satellite from outside.
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              @Ryan_L But the asker doesn't want to put something in orbit: they want to throw a rock to hit something that's in orbit.
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            I think there's a misunderstanding about space going on here. According to the title, you want to get an object into orbit with a cannon of some kind. This can't be done; every orbit includes the point at which delta-V was last spent. If you're launching from some kind of cannon, that means the orbit intersects with that cannon and probably the ground. Rockets in real life get around this by burning their engines again once they're way above the atmosphere.



            But you don't need to get an object into orbit to hit something in orbit. You just need to reach the same altitude, which is much much easier. I think a volcano is your best bet; a supervolcanic eruption might be able to launch a rock into space. As I said, not into orbit though.






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              Very good point. I hadn't realized how unfeasible orbit would be; my logic was around trying to pass off this attack as something that could, in theory, have come from some random origin in space. Thanks for the input!
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              The title is just a summary; you have to read the question fully before answering it. The question is actually asking about launching a rock to hit something in orbit. The rock itself doesn't need to orbit, so your delta-V argument is irrelevant.
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              every orbit intersects its origin if the projectole survives that long. imagine something on a highly elliptical orbit hitting the satellite from outside.
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              @Ryan_L But the asker doesn't want to put something in orbit: they want to throw a rock to hit something that's in orbit.
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              @Ryan_L As I have already said, the title is only a summary; in this case, not a very accurate summary. Please read the whole question, not just the title. I've now edited the title to reflect what the question actually says.
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            I think there's a misunderstanding about space going on here. According to the title, you want to get an object into orbit with a cannon of some kind. This can't be done; every orbit includes the point at which delta-V was last spent. If you're launching from some kind of cannon, that means the orbit intersects with that cannon and probably the ground. Rockets in real life get around this by burning their engines again once they're way above the atmosphere.



            But you don't need to get an object into orbit to hit something in orbit. You just need to reach the same altitude, which is much much easier. I think a volcano is your best bet; a supervolcanic eruption might be able to launch a rock into space. As I said, not into orbit though.






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            I think there's a misunderstanding about space going on here. According to the title, you want to get an object into orbit with a cannon of some kind. This can't be done; every orbit includes the point at which delta-V was last spent. If you're launching from some kind of cannon, that means the orbit intersects with that cannon and probably the ground. Rockets in real life get around this by burning their engines again once they're way above the atmosphere.



            But you don't need to get an object into orbit to hit something in orbit. You just need to reach the same altitude, which is much much easier. I think a volcano is your best bet; a supervolcanic eruption might be able to launch a rock into space. As I said, not into orbit though.







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              Very good point. I hadn't realized how unfeasible orbit would be; my logic was around trying to pass off this attack as something that could, in theory, have come from some random origin in space. Thanks for the input!
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              The title is just a summary; you have to read the question fully before answering it. The question is actually asking about launching a rock to hit something in orbit. The rock itself doesn't need to orbit, so your delta-V argument is irrelevant.
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              every orbit intersects its origin if the projectole survives that long. imagine something on a highly elliptical orbit hitting the satellite from outside.
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              @Ryan_L But the asker doesn't want to put something in orbit: they want to throw a rock to hit something that's in orbit.
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              @Ryan_L As I have already said, the title is only a summary; in this case, not a very accurate summary. Please read the whole question, not just the title. I've now edited the title to reflect what the question actually says.
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              Very good point. I hadn't realized how unfeasible orbit would be; my logic was around trying to pass off this attack as something that could, in theory, have come from some random origin in space. Thanks for the input!
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              The title is just a summary; you have to read the question fully before answering it. The question is actually asking about launching a rock to hit something in orbit. The rock itself doesn't need to orbit, so your delta-V argument is irrelevant.
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              every orbit intersects its origin if the projectole survives that long. imagine something on a highly elliptical orbit hitting the satellite from outside.
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              @Ryan_L But the asker doesn't want to put something in orbit: they want to throw a rock to hit something that's in orbit.
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            Very good point. I hadn't realized how unfeasible orbit would be; my logic was around trying to pass off this attack as something that could, in theory, have come from some random origin in space. Thanks for the input!
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            The title is just a summary; you have to read the question fully before answering it. The question is actually asking about launching a rock to hit something in orbit. The rock itself doesn't need to orbit, so your delta-V argument is irrelevant.
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            $begingroup$
            The title is just a summary; you have to read the question fully before answering it. The question is actually asking about launching a rock to hit something in orbit. The rock itself doesn't need to orbit, so your delta-V argument is irrelevant.
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            every orbit intersects its origin if the projectole survives that long. imagine something on a highly elliptical orbit hitting the satellite from outside.
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            @Ryan_L But the asker doesn't want to put something in orbit: they want to throw a rock to hit something that's in orbit.
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            @Ryan_L But the asker doesn't want to put something in orbit: they want to throw a rock to hit something that's in orbit.
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            2 hours ago






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            You may choose a different scenario.



            Start with a supervolcano eruption. No, not one to hit the space station. One that will throw enough material into the atmosphere that it blocks most if not all radio-magnetic transmission. The dust in the atmosphere will last for months, even years, so you have plenty of time to get rid of humans while they are cut from their communication and then being invisible from the orbit prepare something to destroy the station in not-so-natural way. Another benefit is that this can change your planet's climate in a way that can itself be deadly at least to some level to the intruders.






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              well this may work it will likely cause extreme damage to the plants "due to much smaller sunlight getting in" and will lead to massive environmental damage if it is to the scale you say.
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            Start with a supervolcano eruption. No, not one to hit the space station. One that will throw enough material into the atmosphere that it blocks most if not all radio-magnetic transmission. The dust in the atmosphere will last for months, even years, so you have plenty of time to get rid of humans while they are cut from their communication and then being invisible from the orbit prepare something to destroy the station in not-so-natural way. Another benefit is that this can change your planet's climate in a way that can itself be deadly at least to some level to the intruders.






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              well this may work it will likely cause extreme damage to the plants "due to much smaller sunlight getting in" and will lead to massive environmental damage if it is to the scale you say.
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            You may choose a different scenario.



            Start with a supervolcano eruption. No, not one to hit the space station. One that will throw enough material into the atmosphere that it blocks most if not all radio-magnetic transmission. The dust in the atmosphere will last for months, even years, so you have plenty of time to get rid of humans while they are cut from their communication and then being invisible from the orbit prepare something to destroy the station in not-so-natural way. Another benefit is that this can change your planet's climate in a way that can itself be deadly at least to some level to the intruders.






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            You may choose a different scenario.



            Start with a supervolcano eruption. No, not one to hit the space station. One that will throw enough material into the atmosphere that it blocks most if not all radio-magnetic transmission. The dust in the atmosphere will last for months, even years, so you have plenty of time to get rid of humans while they are cut from their communication and then being invisible from the orbit prepare something to destroy the station in not-so-natural way. Another benefit is that this can change your planet's climate in a way that can itself be deadly at least to some level to the intruders.







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              well this may work it will likely cause extreme damage to the plants "due to much smaller sunlight getting in" and will lead to massive environmental damage if it is to the scale you say.
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              well this may work it will likely cause extreme damage to the plants "due to much smaller sunlight getting in" and will lead to massive environmental damage if it is to the scale you say.
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            well this may work it will likely cause extreme damage to the plants "due to much smaller sunlight getting in" and will lead to massive environmental damage if it is to the scale you say.
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            Not a chance.





            1. You need to give the projectile all of the energy it needs in a very brief space of time (the time it needs to clear the volcano, to mention an example). That is an awesome amount of power. Remember that our rockets carry their fuel with them and burn it as they raise, it is highly inefficient but the alternative method would destroy the rocket at launch.



              You need some sturdy material for your projectile, and worse, you need to reinforce a lot the structure of any volcano, geyser, whatever that you want to use as your energy source. And not only the "cannon", but all around it, because you cannot allow that pressure that you need to build to escape by blowing some other part of the volcano.



              Mind you, completing engineering works of this scale in an active volcano is not an easy task, and likely to be observed by the ship. Overcoming this hurdle is a really unbelievable feat.



            2. Precision. The worst one. You are sending an unguided projectile towards a minuscule target in a big sky. Any mistake in the measurements of the target orbit, your projectile weight and aerodinamics, your energy source power, the local weather, and you have nothing but a piece of rock wandering around your planet, almost harmless. Chaos theory says that you will fail.


            3. Countermesures. It is difficult to believe that a spaceship by an advanced spacefaring civilization will not have some means of detecting and avoiding a meteorite strike (at the very least just changing its speed to avoid the crash).







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              Not a chance.





              1. You need to give the projectile all of the energy it needs in a very brief space of time (the time it needs to clear the volcano, to mention an example). That is an awesome amount of power. Remember that our rockets carry their fuel with them and burn it as they raise, it is highly inefficient but the alternative method would destroy the rocket at launch.



                You need some sturdy material for your projectile, and worse, you need to reinforce a lot the structure of any volcano, geyser, whatever that you want to use as your energy source. And not only the "cannon", but all around it, because you cannot allow that pressure that you need to build to escape by blowing some other part of the volcano.



                Mind you, completing engineering works of this scale in an active volcano is not an easy task, and likely to be observed by the ship. Overcoming this hurdle is a really unbelievable feat.



              2. Precision. The worst one. You are sending an unguided projectile towards a minuscule target in a big sky. Any mistake in the measurements of the target orbit, your projectile weight and aerodinamics, your energy source power, the local weather, and you have nothing but a piece of rock wandering around your planet, almost harmless. Chaos theory says that you will fail.


              3. Countermesures. It is difficult to believe that a spaceship by an advanced spacefaring civilization will not have some means of detecting and avoiding a meteorite strike (at the very least just changing its speed to avoid the crash).







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                Not a chance.





                1. You need to give the projectile all of the energy it needs in a very brief space of time (the time it needs to clear the volcano, to mention an example). That is an awesome amount of power. Remember that our rockets carry their fuel with them and burn it as they raise, it is highly inefficient but the alternative method would destroy the rocket at launch.



                  You need some sturdy material for your projectile, and worse, you need to reinforce a lot the structure of any volcano, geyser, whatever that you want to use as your energy source. And not only the "cannon", but all around it, because you cannot allow that pressure that you need to build to escape by blowing some other part of the volcano.



                  Mind you, completing engineering works of this scale in an active volcano is not an easy task, and likely to be observed by the ship. Overcoming this hurdle is a really unbelievable feat.



                2. Precision. The worst one. You are sending an unguided projectile towards a minuscule target in a big sky. Any mistake in the measurements of the target orbit, your projectile weight and aerodinamics, your energy source power, the local weather, and you have nothing but a piece of rock wandering around your planet, almost harmless. Chaos theory says that you will fail.


                3. Countermesures. It is difficult to believe that a spaceship by an advanced spacefaring civilization will not have some means of detecting and avoiding a meteorite strike (at the very least just changing its speed to avoid the crash).







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                Not a chance.





                1. You need to give the projectile all of the energy it needs in a very brief space of time (the time it needs to clear the volcano, to mention an example). That is an awesome amount of power. Remember that our rockets carry their fuel with them and burn it as they raise, it is highly inefficient but the alternative method would destroy the rocket at launch.



                  You need some sturdy material for your projectile, and worse, you need to reinforce a lot the structure of any volcano, geyser, whatever that you want to use as your energy source. And not only the "cannon", but all around it, because you cannot allow that pressure that you need to build to escape by blowing some other part of the volcano.



                  Mind you, completing engineering works of this scale in an active volcano is not an easy task, and likely to be observed by the ship. Overcoming this hurdle is a really unbelievable feat.



                2. Precision. The worst one. You are sending an unguided projectile towards a minuscule target in a big sky. Any mistake in the measurements of the target orbit, your projectile weight and aerodinamics, your energy source power, the local weather, and you have nothing but a piece of rock wandering around your planet, almost harmless. Chaos theory says that you will fail.


                3. Countermesures. It is difficult to believe that a spaceship by an advanced spacefaring civilization will not have some means of detecting and avoiding a meteorite strike (at the very least just changing its speed to avoid the crash).








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                    Can you manipulate your local equivalent of the Van Allen belts to focus solar radiation and fry the satellite's electronics? Gets rid of the off-world communications and the video link without actually destroying the satellite..






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                    On earth, the most common natural looking formation that can shoot rocks is a volcano. Yes, we know that a volcano shoots rocks high above the earth but not outside the atmosphere. So we can just modify the volcano to make the crater thinner, small and more round so that there is perfection in the accuracy. For launching a rock into the orbit we need the rock to be in an aerodynamic shape and have a highly flammable material on the bottom of the rock which can be triggered by the hot lava. So we have a volcano shooting out a rock missile into orbit. But we still won't have the right pressure so we will try to pressurize the volcano from within. We can use a system that lets lava come in but not out so that we have enough pressure and we can use a big door that will be opened when the pressure is right.



                    This might work but the accuracy will not be so good. So you can just launch it in such an orbit that it will crash with the station in the orbit and not directly hit it.






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                      You could also use a geyser that expels superheated steam, heated through contact with liquid magma. That should give you enough power
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                      Seems like you'd want to launch a cloud of small rocks rather than a single, perfect one. You use a shotgun to shoot birds on the wing.
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                    On earth, the most common natural looking formation that can shoot rocks is a volcano. Yes, we know that a volcano shoots rocks high above the earth but not outside the atmosphere. So we can just modify the volcano to make the crater thinner, small and more round so that there is perfection in the accuracy. For launching a rock into the orbit we need the rock to be in an aerodynamic shape and have a highly flammable material on the bottom of the rock which can be triggered by the hot lava. So we have a volcano shooting out a rock missile into orbit. But we still won't have the right pressure so we will try to pressurize the volcano from within. We can use a system that lets lava come in but not out so that we have enough pressure and we can use a big door that will be opened when the pressure is right.



                    This might work but the accuracy will not be so good. So you can just launch it in such an orbit that it will crash with the station in the orbit and not directly hit it.






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                      You could also use a geyser that expels superheated steam, heated through contact with liquid magma. That should give you enough power
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                      Seems like you'd want to launch a cloud of small rocks rather than a single, perfect one. You use a shotgun to shoot birds on the wing.
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                    On earth, the most common natural looking formation that can shoot rocks is a volcano. Yes, we know that a volcano shoots rocks high above the earth but not outside the atmosphere. So we can just modify the volcano to make the crater thinner, small and more round so that there is perfection in the accuracy. For launching a rock into the orbit we need the rock to be in an aerodynamic shape and have a highly flammable material on the bottom of the rock which can be triggered by the hot lava. So we have a volcano shooting out a rock missile into orbit. But we still won't have the right pressure so we will try to pressurize the volcano from within. We can use a system that lets lava come in but not out so that we have enough pressure and we can use a big door that will be opened when the pressure is right.



                    This might work but the accuracy will not be so good. So you can just launch it in such an orbit that it will crash with the station in the orbit and not directly hit it.






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                    On earth, the most common natural looking formation that can shoot rocks is a volcano. Yes, we know that a volcano shoots rocks high above the earth but not outside the atmosphere. So we can just modify the volcano to make the crater thinner, small and more round so that there is perfection in the accuracy. For launching a rock into the orbit we need the rock to be in an aerodynamic shape and have a highly flammable material on the bottom of the rock which can be triggered by the hot lava. So we have a volcano shooting out a rock missile into orbit. But we still won't have the right pressure so we will try to pressurize the volcano from within. We can use a system that lets lava come in but not out so that we have enough pressure and we can use a big door that will be opened when the pressure is right.



                    This might work but the accuracy will not be so good. So you can just launch it in such an orbit that it will crash with the station in the orbit and not directly hit it.







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                      You could also use a geyser that expels superheated steam, heated through contact with liquid magma. That should give you enough power
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                      Seems like you'd want to launch a cloud of small rocks rather than a single, perfect one. You use a shotgun to shoot birds on the wing.
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                      yesterday


















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                      You could also use a geyser that expels superheated steam, heated through contact with liquid magma. That should give you enough power
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                      – nzaman
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                      Seems like you'd want to launch a cloud of small rocks rather than a single, perfect one. You use a shotgun to shoot birds on the wing.
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                    You could also use a geyser that expels superheated steam, heated through contact with liquid magma. That should give you enough power
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                    Seems like you'd want to launch a cloud of small rocks rather than a single, perfect one. You use a shotgun to shoot birds on the wing.
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                    OP you specified earth-like but this is usually used to define atmosphere makeup and temperatures - what about a smaller planet (lower escape velocity), natural geologic formations that are much taller than the ones on earth due to tectonic activity? One could create something that is essentially a space-sling from a spot that is much higher altitude and solves most of your dilemmas. People on the ground might not even notice that there is something in the slingshot, which would be moving at a much higher velocity and could be released with pinpoint accuracy during the normal rotation of the earth.



                    Hell, you could have some kind of natural vine, native to the planet, that 'unintentionally' created a space elevator that the parasites utilized to ship materials to and from the station at one time. Then one day, when the planet's spin managed to line up with the station, suddenly let out a lot of extra line, swinging the end of the elevator in to the blister and destroying it, then retracting it immediately. No muss, no fuss.






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                      Geostationary orbit (the orbit at which the angular velocity of Earth is equal to the velocity of a satellite keeping orbit) is nearly 36.000 kms high. That "bulge" would have about 5 times the radius of Earth itself... And of course, anything left there would stay there (even if it wasnt' touching the "ground"), making it easy to spot.
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                    OP you specified earth-like but this is usually used to define atmosphere makeup and temperatures - what about a smaller planet (lower escape velocity), natural geologic formations that are much taller than the ones on earth due to tectonic activity? One could create something that is essentially a space-sling from a spot that is much higher altitude and solves most of your dilemmas. People on the ground might not even notice that there is something in the slingshot, which would be moving at a much higher velocity and could be released with pinpoint accuracy during the normal rotation of the earth.



                    Hell, you could have some kind of natural vine, native to the planet, that 'unintentionally' created a space elevator that the parasites utilized to ship materials to and from the station at one time. Then one day, when the planet's spin managed to line up with the station, suddenly let out a lot of extra line, swinging the end of the elevator in to the blister and destroying it, then retracting it immediately. No muss, no fuss.






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                      Geostationary orbit (the orbit at which the angular velocity of Earth is equal to the velocity of a satellite keeping orbit) is nearly 36.000 kms high. That "bulge" would have about 5 times the radius of Earth itself... And of course, anything left there would stay there (even if it wasnt' touching the "ground"), making it easy to spot.
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                    OP you specified earth-like but this is usually used to define atmosphere makeup and temperatures - what about a smaller planet (lower escape velocity), natural geologic formations that are much taller than the ones on earth due to tectonic activity? One could create something that is essentially a space-sling from a spot that is much higher altitude and solves most of your dilemmas. People on the ground might not even notice that there is something in the slingshot, which would be moving at a much higher velocity and could be released with pinpoint accuracy during the normal rotation of the earth.



                    Hell, you could have some kind of natural vine, native to the planet, that 'unintentionally' created a space elevator that the parasites utilized to ship materials to and from the station at one time. Then one day, when the planet's spin managed to line up with the station, suddenly let out a lot of extra line, swinging the end of the elevator in to the blister and destroying it, then retracting it immediately. No muss, no fuss.






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                    OP you specified earth-like but this is usually used to define atmosphere makeup and temperatures - what about a smaller planet (lower escape velocity), natural geologic formations that are much taller than the ones on earth due to tectonic activity? One could create something that is essentially a space-sling from a spot that is much higher altitude and solves most of your dilemmas. People on the ground might not even notice that there is something in the slingshot, which would be moving at a much higher velocity and could be released with pinpoint accuracy during the normal rotation of the earth.



                    Hell, you could have some kind of natural vine, native to the planet, that 'unintentionally' created a space elevator that the parasites utilized to ship materials to and from the station at one time. Then one day, when the planet's spin managed to line up with the station, suddenly let out a lot of extra line, swinging the end of the elevator in to the blister and destroying it, then retracting it immediately. No muss, no fuss.







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                    answered 12 hours ago









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                      Geostationary orbit (the orbit at which the angular velocity of Earth is equal to the velocity of a satellite keeping orbit) is nearly 36.000 kms high. That "bulge" would have about 5 times the radius of Earth itself... And of course, anything left there would stay there (even if it wasnt' touching the "ground"), making it easy to spot.
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                    • $begingroup$
                      Geostationary orbit (the orbit at which the angular velocity of Earth is equal to the velocity of a satellite keeping orbit) is nearly 36.000 kms high. That "bulge" would have about 5 times the radius of Earth itself... And of course, anything left there would stay there (even if it wasnt' touching the "ground"), making it easy to spot.
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                    $begingroup$
                    Geostationary orbit (the orbit at which the angular velocity of Earth is equal to the velocity of a satellite keeping orbit) is nearly 36.000 kms high. That "bulge" would have about 5 times the radius of Earth itself... And of course, anything left there would stay there (even if it wasnt' touching the "ground"), making it easy to spot.
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                    – SJuan76
                    11 hours ago






                    $begingroup$
                    Geostationary orbit (the orbit at which the angular velocity of Earth is equal to the velocity of a satellite keeping orbit) is nearly 36.000 kms high. That "bulge" would have about 5 times the radius of Earth itself... And of course, anything left there would stay there (even if it wasnt' touching the "ground"), making it easy to spot.
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                    Have you considered putting the orbiting station in a low orbit that needs occasional re-boosting to stop it de-orbiting? Spy satellites are often in low orbits to get the best detail in their pictures. The International Space Station would crash after about 15 months if abandoned.



                    If you can knock out the communications and any automated re-boosting mechanism, the satellite would burn up and take all the evidence of what happened with it so nobody can tell the difference between a software bug, a manufacturing defect, and a meteoroid strike.



                    Then if the gun from LSerni's great answer could fire something as radioactive as the heart of the Chernobyl sarcophagus, you could claim it only needed to get within a few tens of meters. All the humans see is their satellite has stopped responding and they can't tell why, and it burns up on re-entry before anyone can get there to investigate.






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                      Have you considered putting the orbiting station in a low orbit that needs occasional re-boosting to stop it de-orbiting? Spy satellites are often in low orbits to get the best detail in their pictures. The International Space Station would crash after about 15 months if abandoned.



                      If you can knock out the communications and any automated re-boosting mechanism, the satellite would burn up and take all the evidence of what happened with it so nobody can tell the difference between a software bug, a manufacturing defect, and a meteoroid strike.



                      Then if the gun from LSerni's great answer could fire something as radioactive as the heart of the Chernobyl sarcophagus, you could claim it only needed to get within a few tens of meters. All the humans see is their satellite has stopped responding and they can't tell why, and it burns up on re-entry before anyone can get there to investigate.






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                        $begingroup$

                        Have you considered putting the orbiting station in a low orbit that needs occasional re-boosting to stop it de-orbiting? Spy satellites are often in low orbits to get the best detail in their pictures. The International Space Station would crash after about 15 months if abandoned.



                        If you can knock out the communications and any automated re-boosting mechanism, the satellite would burn up and take all the evidence of what happened with it so nobody can tell the difference between a software bug, a manufacturing defect, and a meteoroid strike.



                        Then if the gun from LSerni's great answer could fire something as radioactive as the heart of the Chernobyl sarcophagus, you could claim it only needed to get within a few tens of meters. All the humans see is their satellite has stopped responding and they can't tell why, and it burns up on re-entry before anyone can get there to investigate.






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                        $endgroup$



                        Have you considered putting the orbiting station in a low orbit that needs occasional re-boosting to stop it de-orbiting? Spy satellites are often in low orbits to get the best detail in their pictures. The International Space Station would crash after about 15 months if abandoned.



                        If you can knock out the communications and any automated re-boosting mechanism, the satellite would burn up and take all the evidence of what happened with it so nobody can tell the difference between a software bug, a manufacturing defect, and a meteoroid strike.



                        Then if the gun from LSerni's great answer could fire something as radioactive as the heart of the Chernobyl sarcophagus, you could claim it only needed to get within a few tens of meters. All the humans see is their satellite has stopped responding and they can't tell why, and it burns up on re-entry before anyone can get there to investigate.







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                            1. If you want to destroy their station, set a cloud of gas on the orbit (if it's not very high). You will get the most part of your gas back later. Do it several times while the station is on the other side of the planet. The speed of the station will decrease and it will get down. It will get damaged at first. Repeat while they not repair it.


                            2. Exotic things like atmospheric gas laser, microgravity resonance etc are not practical.



                            3. Use your strength. Yours is time (on geological scales) Theirs is money.




                              • Methodically destroy every habitat ship landing. They will find correlation very soon.


                              • They will use robots. Destroy power plants.


                              • They will use nano-robots. Destroy stocks and launch sites to prevent them stealing your resources.


                              • They will use molecule-level robots to set you to a gray goo. Develop this technology




                            4. Those monsters will come back. They will set more than 1 station quite far from the planet. So get ready. The maximum reasonable impact is asteroids they will set on you. You are not scared of atomic bombs, aren't you? Well, they would set a mini black hole or something like this to finally get energy from you but I cannot get a solution for this case now.


                            5. Use energy of your star to get out of the habitat zone in your planet system. May be it would be even profitable for you, you just did not think about it. It will take a lot of time so start right now. If you use some space inside the planet it probably is not critical for you.


                            6. Split and diversify your bodies for different conditions, impacts and possibilities. This incident will be start of your infinite expansion to the space. They are split by their greed. You will get unite with the new infinite goal that will transform you. Set yourself total on this. They got here to wake up you. This is the aim of any real contact. Get their passion and apply with your planet-wide scale. Make all possible for this, not to get rid of that piece of shit on the orbit.



                            @Chris Bradshaw presented an elegant solution for big distances, but the Juno Radiation Vault mission proves that even today's shielded electronics can work some years even in radiation belts of Jupiter, which are more intensive than ones for an Earth-like planet



                            Probably the author will have a strike on the ground. He definitely will win the first one and will have some time to another. Any solutions to rise costs of taking ownership on the planet to unacceptable, including terraforming to temperature and atmospheric conditions unacceptable for invaders. Like on Venus. Oh, mankind is a big pain in the ass.



                            But wait a minute. "These humans have decided to colonize my home, mistaking it for an uninhabited Earth-like planet."



                            Are we talking about Earth? Because our thoughts more likely are inspired by our environment, not by something else like Solaris in hundreds of light years somewhere.



                            The space station is the opposite side for the action. As the center of crazy mind like a Death Star. They think they are only rational, legitimate, self-consistent and independent in all the space around.






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                              1. If you want to destroy their station, set a cloud of gas on the orbit (if it's not very high). You will get the most part of your gas back later. Do it several times while the station is on the other side of the planet. The speed of the station will decrease and it will get down. It will get damaged at first. Repeat while they not repair it.


                              2. Exotic things like atmospheric gas laser, microgravity resonance etc are not practical.



                              3. Use your strength. Yours is time (on geological scales) Theirs is money.




                                • Methodically destroy every habitat ship landing. They will find correlation very soon.


                                • They will use robots. Destroy power plants.


                                • They will use nano-robots. Destroy stocks and launch sites to prevent them stealing your resources.


                                • They will use molecule-level robots to set you to a gray goo. Develop this technology




                              4. Those monsters will come back. They will set more than 1 station quite far from the planet. So get ready. The maximum reasonable impact is asteroids they will set on you. You are not scared of atomic bombs, aren't you? Well, they would set a mini black hole or something like this to finally get energy from you but I cannot get a solution for this case now.


                              5. Use energy of your star to get out of the habitat zone in your planet system. May be it would be even profitable for you, you just did not think about it. It will take a lot of time so start right now. If you use some space inside the planet it probably is not critical for you.


                              6. Split and diversify your bodies for different conditions, impacts and possibilities. This incident will be start of your infinite expansion to the space. They are split by their greed. You will get unite with the new infinite goal that will transform you. Set yourself total on this. They got here to wake up you. This is the aim of any real contact. Get their passion and apply with your planet-wide scale. Make all possible for this, not to get rid of that piece of shit on the orbit.



                              @Chris Bradshaw presented an elegant solution for big distances, but the Juno Radiation Vault mission proves that even today's shielded electronics can work some years even in radiation belts of Jupiter, which are more intensive than ones for an Earth-like planet



                              Probably the author will have a strike on the ground. He definitely will win the first one and will have some time to another. Any solutions to rise costs of taking ownership on the planet to unacceptable, including terraforming to temperature and atmospheric conditions unacceptable for invaders. Like on Venus. Oh, mankind is a big pain in the ass.



                              But wait a minute. "These humans have decided to colonize my home, mistaking it for an uninhabited Earth-like planet."



                              Are we talking about Earth? Because our thoughts more likely are inspired by our environment, not by something else like Solaris in hundreds of light years somewhere.



                              The space station is the opposite side for the action. As the center of crazy mind like a Death Star. They think they are only rational, legitimate, self-consistent and independent in all the space around.






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                                1. If you want to destroy their station, set a cloud of gas on the orbit (if it's not very high). You will get the most part of your gas back later. Do it several times while the station is on the other side of the planet. The speed of the station will decrease and it will get down. It will get damaged at first. Repeat while they not repair it.


                                2. Exotic things like atmospheric gas laser, microgravity resonance etc are not practical.



                                3. Use your strength. Yours is time (on geological scales) Theirs is money.




                                  • Methodically destroy every habitat ship landing. They will find correlation very soon.


                                  • They will use robots. Destroy power plants.


                                  • They will use nano-robots. Destroy stocks and launch sites to prevent them stealing your resources.


                                  • They will use molecule-level robots to set you to a gray goo. Develop this technology




                                4. Those monsters will come back. They will set more than 1 station quite far from the planet. So get ready. The maximum reasonable impact is asteroids they will set on you. You are not scared of atomic bombs, aren't you? Well, they would set a mini black hole or something like this to finally get energy from you but I cannot get a solution for this case now.


                                5. Use energy of your star to get out of the habitat zone in your planet system. May be it would be even profitable for you, you just did not think about it. It will take a lot of time so start right now. If you use some space inside the planet it probably is not critical for you.


                                6. Split and diversify your bodies for different conditions, impacts and possibilities. This incident will be start of your infinite expansion to the space. They are split by their greed. You will get unite with the new infinite goal that will transform you. Set yourself total on this. They got here to wake up you. This is the aim of any real contact. Get their passion and apply with your planet-wide scale. Make all possible for this, not to get rid of that piece of shit on the orbit.



                                @Chris Bradshaw presented an elegant solution for big distances, but the Juno Radiation Vault mission proves that even today's shielded electronics can work some years even in radiation belts of Jupiter, which are more intensive than ones for an Earth-like planet



                                Probably the author will have a strike on the ground. He definitely will win the first one and will have some time to another. Any solutions to rise costs of taking ownership on the planet to unacceptable, including terraforming to temperature and atmospheric conditions unacceptable for invaders. Like on Venus. Oh, mankind is a big pain in the ass.



                                But wait a minute. "These humans have decided to colonize my home, mistaking it for an uninhabited Earth-like planet."



                                Are we talking about Earth? Because our thoughts more likely are inspired by our environment, not by something else like Solaris in hundreds of light years somewhere.



                                The space station is the opposite side for the action. As the center of crazy mind like a Death Star. They think they are only rational, legitimate, self-consistent and independent in all the space around.






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                                1. If you want to destroy their station, set a cloud of gas on the orbit (if it's not very high). You will get the most part of your gas back later. Do it several times while the station is on the other side of the planet. The speed of the station will decrease and it will get down. It will get damaged at first. Repeat while they not repair it.


                                2. Exotic things like atmospheric gas laser, microgravity resonance etc are not practical.



                                3. Use your strength. Yours is time (on geological scales) Theirs is money.




                                  • Methodically destroy every habitat ship landing. They will find correlation very soon.


                                  • They will use robots. Destroy power plants.


                                  • They will use nano-robots. Destroy stocks and launch sites to prevent them stealing your resources.


                                  • They will use molecule-level robots to set you to a gray goo. Develop this technology




                                4. Those monsters will come back. They will set more than 1 station quite far from the planet. So get ready. The maximum reasonable impact is asteroids they will set on you. You are not scared of atomic bombs, aren't you? Well, they would set a mini black hole or something like this to finally get energy from you but I cannot get a solution for this case now.


                                5. Use energy of your star to get out of the habitat zone in your planet system. May be it would be even profitable for you, you just did not think about it. It will take a lot of time so start right now. If you use some space inside the planet it probably is not critical for you.


                                6. Split and diversify your bodies for different conditions, impacts and possibilities. This incident will be start of your infinite expansion to the space. They are split by their greed. You will get unite with the new infinite goal that will transform you. Set yourself total on this. They got here to wake up you. This is the aim of any real contact. Get their passion and apply with your planet-wide scale. Make all possible for this, not to get rid of that piece of shit on the orbit.



                                @Chris Bradshaw presented an elegant solution for big distances, but the Juno Radiation Vault mission proves that even today's shielded electronics can work some years even in radiation belts of Jupiter, which are more intensive than ones for an Earth-like planet



                                Probably the author will have a strike on the ground. He definitely will win the first one and will have some time to another. Any solutions to rise costs of taking ownership on the planet to unacceptable, including terraforming to temperature and atmospheric conditions unacceptable for invaders. Like on Venus. Oh, mankind is a big pain in the ass.



                                But wait a minute. "These humans have decided to colonize my home, mistaking it for an uninhabited Earth-like planet."



                                Are we talking about Earth? Because our thoughts more likely are inspired by our environment, not by something else like Solaris in hundreds of light years somewhere.



                                The space station is the opposite side for the action. As the center of crazy mind like a Death Star. They think they are only rational, legitimate, self-consistent and independent in all the space around.







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                                answered 19 hours ago









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                                    Assuming an earth-like planet...



                                    Satellites are not meant to land



                                    Strategic heating of the atmosphere combined with a well placed hurricane or five and you can raise the atmosphere to the point where if they aren't watching they might accidentally enter the atmosphere, burn up and crash. As is the ISS actually experiences significant atmospheric drag ramping this up a bit will significantly lessen the life span of satellites in low orbit.



                                    The Good



                                    Changes to surface albedo, minor core cooling, tropospheric disturbances cause no long term losses of mass. It looks completely like a fluke.



                                    The Bad



                                    Anything designed for interstellar travel shouldn't have problem station keeping indefinitely.



                                    The Fix



                                    The observation post was intended to be temporary. It was put in an orbit that would only last 50 years before atmospheric entry. Low so that it could cover more ground faster, but not so low it would need station keeping fuel and thrusters.



                                    Radiation Squeeze



                                    The hypothetical planet has a magnetic field which blocks incoming radiation and ends up trapping it in high orbit much like our Van Allen Radiation belts. These ions are mostly free protons and electrons in belts segregated by charge. There are also limited amounts of positrons and anti-electrons as well as ionized helium floating around. The particles can destroy equipment and will certainly disrupt electronics. If you adjust the magnetic field of the planet to bring the belt into path of the satellite it may degrade its performance to the point where it no longer functions.



                                    The Good



                                    No mass lost. The South Atlantic Anomaly (where the belt reaches 200km above the surface as opposed to 2000km) is a thing so this looks like an unhappy planet to be.



                                    The Bad



                                    Interplanetary craft must deal with solar flares which can be far worse.



                                    The Fix



                                    Protecting the electronics from radiation surges often means shutting them down. If the shutdown needs to be longer than expected or more often than expected the station may be damaged anyway. Time this with a strong solar flare and you might be able to take it down.



                                    Both at once



                                    The planet is looking nice and hospitable. Strong spherical magnetic field nicely aligned with it smooth regular surface. Even flow of a liquid core. It's a relatively cool planet without strong temperature gradients. The sun is entering a maximum of activity but it shouldn't matter, everything is okay inside of the planets magnetic belt. Geologists are reporting that a large glacial lake is about to rupture some time in the next thousand years and it should be a spectacular display.



                                    The earthen dam gave way far earlier than expected but such events have never been observed live. The biggest change and a large layer of fresh water on top of the planets largest ocean. In other notes there is a small magnetic anomaly forming at mid latitudes. There is no projected change to the magnetosphere at this time, but watch for variations in local declination.



                                    Meteorology reports that turbidity is increasing and sea surface temperature is rising. A small dust storm is forming in the basin left by the drained glacier. They expect that a hurricane will be forming in the next 3-5 days and rapidly move to mid latitudes. The first one observed on this planet.



                                    The hurricane has formed. Meteorology is going wild. There hasn't been a storm this big recorded ever on earth. Solar flare predicted to impact in 2 days Observation station going into protective shut down mode. The magnetic anomaly has strengthened. It looks like we are at the beginning of a shift of the planets magnetic poles.



                                    The solar flare was stronger and faster than expected the system only got partially shut down and there are some data corruption issues. The information we are getting is only intermittent. We are attempting a reboot from the ground station.



                                    More data is in coming in now. Full system integrity checks take two hours to complete. There is some sort of radiation anomaly occurring forcing a reset every 93 minutes. Atmospheric craft report the hurricane has only intensified.



                                    Communication has been fully restored with with observation station. It seems the planets Van Allen belts have reoriented themselves with the magnetic poles shift. In order to maintain the observation stations integrity we need to shut it down when passing through the anomaly. Unfortunately, the anomaly occurs near apogee. We are trying to schedule a station keeping maneuver but the orbit is decaying far faster then predicted.






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                                      $begingroup$

                                      Assuming an earth-like planet...



                                      Satellites are not meant to land



                                      Strategic heating of the atmosphere combined with a well placed hurricane or five and you can raise the atmosphere to the point where if they aren't watching they might accidentally enter the atmosphere, burn up and crash. As is the ISS actually experiences significant atmospheric drag ramping this up a bit will significantly lessen the life span of satellites in low orbit.



                                      The Good



                                      Changes to surface albedo, minor core cooling, tropospheric disturbances cause no long term losses of mass. It looks completely like a fluke.



                                      The Bad



                                      Anything designed for interstellar travel shouldn't have problem station keeping indefinitely.



                                      The Fix



                                      The observation post was intended to be temporary. It was put in an orbit that would only last 50 years before atmospheric entry. Low so that it could cover more ground faster, but not so low it would need station keeping fuel and thrusters.



                                      Radiation Squeeze



                                      The hypothetical planet has a magnetic field which blocks incoming radiation and ends up trapping it in high orbit much like our Van Allen Radiation belts. These ions are mostly free protons and electrons in belts segregated by charge. There are also limited amounts of positrons and anti-electrons as well as ionized helium floating around. The particles can destroy equipment and will certainly disrupt electronics. If you adjust the magnetic field of the planet to bring the belt into path of the satellite it may degrade its performance to the point where it no longer functions.



                                      The Good



                                      No mass lost. The South Atlantic Anomaly (where the belt reaches 200km above the surface as opposed to 2000km) is a thing so this looks like an unhappy planet to be.



                                      The Bad



                                      Interplanetary craft must deal with solar flares which can be far worse.



                                      The Fix



                                      Protecting the electronics from radiation surges often means shutting them down. If the shutdown needs to be longer than expected or more often than expected the station may be damaged anyway. Time this with a strong solar flare and you might be able to take it down.



                                      Both at once



                                      The planet is looking nice and hospitable. Strong spherical magnetic field nicely aligned with it smooth regular surface. Even flow of a liquid core. It's a relatively cool planet without strong temperature gradients. The sun is entering a maximum of activity but it shouldn't matter, everything is okay inside of the planets magnetic belt. Geologists are reporting that a large glacial lake is about to rupture some time in the next thousand years and it should be a spectacular display.



                                      The earthen dam gave way far earlier than expected but such events have never been observed live. The biggest change and a large layer of fresh water on top of the planets largest ocean. In other notes there is a small magnetic anomaly forming at mid latitudes. There is no projected change to the magnetosphere at this time, but watch for variations in local declination.



                                      Meteorology reports that turbidity is increasing and sea surface temperature is rising. A small dust storm is forming in the basin left by the drained glacier. They expect that a hurricane will be forming in the next 3-5 days and rapidly move to mid latitudes. The first one observed on this planet.



                                      The hurricane has formed. Meteorology is going wild. There hasn't been a storm this big recorded ever on earth. Solar flare predicted to impact in 2 days Observation station going into protective shut down mode. The magnetic anomaly has strengthened. It looks like we are at the beginning of a shift of the planets magnetic poles.



                                      The solar flare was stronger and faster than expected the system only got partially shut down and there are some data corruption issues. The information we are getting is only intermittent. We are attempting a reboot from the ground station.



                                      More data is in coming in now. Full system integrity checks take two hours to complete. There is some sort of radiation anomaly occurring forcing a reset every 93 minutes. Atmospheric craft report the hurricane has only intensified.



                                      Communication has been fully restored with with observation station. It seems the planets Van Allen belts have reoriented themselves with the magnetic poles shift. In order to maintain the observation stations integrity we need to shut it down when passing through the anomaly. Unfortunately, the anomaly occurs near apogee. We are trying to schedule a station keeping maneuver but the orbit is decaying far faster then predicted.






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                                        $begingroup$

                                        Assuming an earth-like planet...



                                        Satellites are not meant to land



                                        Strategic heating of the atmosphere combined with a well placed hurricane or five and you can raise the atmosphere to the point where if they aren't watching they might accidentally enter the atmosphere, burn up and crash. As is the ISS actually experiences significant atmospheric drag ramping this up a bit will significantly lessen the life span of satellites in low orbit.



                                        The Good



                                        Changes to surface albedo, minor core cooling, tropospheric disturbances cause no long term losses of mass. It looks completely like a fluke.



                                        The Bad



                                        Anything designed for interstellar travel shouldn't have problem station keeping indefinitely.



                                        The Fix



                                        The observation post was intended to be temporary. It was put in an orbit that would only last 50 years before atmospheric entry. Low so that it could cover more ground faster, but not so low it would need station keeping fuel and thrusters.



                                        Radiation Squeeze



                                        The hypothetical planet has a magnetic field which blocks incoming radiation and ends up trapping it in high orbit much like our Van Allen Radiation belts. These ions are mostly free protons and electrons in belts segregated by charge. There are also limited amounts of positrons and anti-electrons as well as ionized helium floating around. The particles can destroy equipment and will certainly disrupt electronics. If you adjust the magnetic field of the planet to bring the belt into path of the satellite it may degrade its performance to the point where it no longer functions.



                                        The Good



                                        No mass lost. The South Atlantic Anomaly (where the belt reaches 200km above the surface as opposed to 2000km) is a thing so this looks like an unhappy planet to be.



                                        The Bad



                                        Interplanetary craft must deal with solar flares which can be far worse.



                                        The Fix



                                        Protecting the electronics from radiation surges often means shutting them down. If the shutdown needs to be longer than expected or more often than expected the station may be damaged anyway. Time this with a strong solar flare and you might be able to take it down.



                                        Both at once



                                        The planet is looking nice and hospitable. Strong spherical magnetic field nicely aligned with it smooth regular surface. Even flow of a liquid core. It's a relatively cool planet without strong temperature gradients. The sun is entering a maximum of activity but it shouldn't matter, everything is okay inside of the planets magnetic belt. Geologists are reporting that a large glacial lake is about to rupture some time in the next thousand years and it should be a spectacular display.



                                        The earthen dam gave way far earlier than expected but such events have never been observed live. The biggest change and a large layer of fresh water on top of the planets largest ocean. In other notes there is a small magnetic anomaly forming at mid latitudes. There is no projected change to the magnetosphere at this time, but watch for variations in local declination.



                                        Meteorology reports that turbidity is increasing and sea surface temperature is rising. A small dust storm is forming in the basin left by the drained glacier. They expect that a hurricane will be forming in the next 3-5 days and rapidly move to mid latitudes. The first one observed on this planet.



                                        The hurricane has formed. Meteorology is going wild. There hasn't been a storm this big recorded ever on earth. Solar flare predicted to impact in 2 days Observation station going into protective shut down mode. The magnetic anomaly has strengthened. It looks like we are at the beginning of a shift of the planets magnetic poles.



                                        The solar flare was stronger and faster than expected the system only got partially shut down and there are some data corruption issues. The information we are getting is only intermittent. We are attempting a reboot from the ground station.



                                        More data is in coming in now. Full system integrity checks take two hours to complete. There is some sort of radiation anomaly occurring forcing a reset every 93 minutes. Atmospheric craft report the hurricane has only intensified.



                                        Communication has been fully restored with with observation station. It seems the planets Van Allen belts have reoriented themselves with the magnetic poles shift. In order to maintain the observation stations integrity we need to shut it down when passing through the anomaly. Unfortunately, the anomaly occurs near apogee. We are trying to schedule a station keeping maneuver but the orbit is decaying far faster then predicted.






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                                        Assuming an earth-like planet...



                                        Satellites are not meant to land



                                        Strategic heating of the atmosphere combined with a well placed hurricane or five and you can raise the atmosphere to the point where if they aren't watching they might accidentally enter the atmosphere, burn up and crash. As is the ISS actually experiences significant atmospheric drag ramping this up a bit will significantly lessen the life span of satellites in low orbit.



                                        The Good



                                        Changes to surface albedo, minor core cooling, tropospheric disturbances cause no long term losses of mass. It looks completely like a fluke.



                                        The Bad



                                        Anything designed for interstellar travel shouldn't have problem station keeping indefinitely.



                                        The Fix



                                        The observation post was intended to be temporary. It was put in an orbit that would only last 50 years before atmospheric entry. Low so that it could cover more ground faster, but not so low it would need station keeping fuel and thrusters.



                                        Radiation Squeeze



                                        The hypothetical planet has a magnetic field which blocks incoming radiation and ends up trapping it in high orbit much like our Van Allen Radiation belts. These ions are mostly free protons and electrons in belts segregated by charge. There are also limited amounts of positrons and anti-electrons as well as ionized helium floating around. The particles can destroy equipment and will certainly disrupt electronics. If you adjust the magnetic field of the planet to bring the belt into path of the satellite it may degrade its performance to the point where it no longer functions.



                                        The Good



                                        No mass lost. The South Atlantic Anomaly (where the belt reaches 200km above the surface as opposed to 2000km) is a thing so this looks like an unhappy planet to be.



                                        The Bad



                                        Interplanetary craft must deal with solar flares which can be far worse.



                                        The Fix



                                        Protecting the electronics from radiation surges often means shutting them down. If the shutdown needs to be longer than expected or more often than expected the station may be damaged anyway. Time this with a strong solar flare and you might be able to take it down.



                                        Both at once



                                        The planet is looking nice and hospitable. Strong spherical magnetic field nicely aligned with it smooth regular surface. Even flow of a liquid core. It's a relatively cool planet without strong temperature gradients. The sun is entering a maximum of activity but it shouldn't matter, everything is okay inside of the planets magnetic belt. Geologists are reporting that a large glacial lake is about to rupture some time in the next thousand years and it should be a spectacular display.



                                        The earthen dam gave way far earlier than expected but such events have never been observed live. The biggest change and a large layer of fresh water on top of the planets largest ocean. In other notes there is a small magnetic anomaly forming at mid latitudes. There is no projected change to the magnetosphere at this time, but watch for variations in local declination.



                                        Meteorology reports that turbidity is increasing and sea surface temperature is rising. A small dust storm is forming in the basin left by the drained glacier. They expect that a hurricane will be forming in the next 3-5 days and rapidly move to mid latitudes. The first one observed on this planet.



                                        The hurricane has formed. Meteorology is going wild. There hasn't been a storm this big recorded ever on earth. Solar flare predicted to impact in 2 days Observation station going into protective shut down mode. The magnetic anomaly has strengthened. It looks like we are at the beginning of a shift of the planets magnetic poles.



                                        The solar flare was stronger and faster than expected the system only got partially shut down and there are some data corruption issues. The information we are getting is only intermittent. We are attempting a reboot from the ground station.



                                        More data is in coming in now. Full system integrity checks take two hours to complete. There is some sort of radiation anomaly occurring forcing a reset every 93 minutes. Atmospheric craft report the hurricane has only intensified.



                                        Communication has been fully restored with with observation station. It seems the planets Van Allen belts have reoriented themselves with the magnetic poles shift. In order to maintain the observation stations integrity we need to shut it down when passing through the anomaly. Unfortunately, the anomaly occurs near apogee. We are trying to schedule a station keeping maneuver but the orbit is decaying far faster then predicted.







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                                            1. What is the most energetic phenomenon a planet might have access to? I here assert this to be impacts from extraplanetary objects.


                                            2. Could an impact from an extraplanetary object propel material off of the impacted planet fast enough to escape the gravity well of the planet? Yes - a meteorite loosed from Mars was in the news some years ago as potentially containing fossil microbes. An ancient rock blasted loose from Earth was recently discovered in a collection of moon rocks.


                                            3. Could rocks blasted loose from the planet by an impactor disrupt an orbiting satellite? I think yes. Clearly a rock moving fast enough to reach the moon could do some damage if it hit something en route. I would assume this moon-destined rock was one of many and that the impact would produce a shotgun-like giant cloud of rock.


                                            4. Could a planetary super creature induce an impactor to hit? This is where it gets tricky. Let us assume the creature can manipulate the planet's magnetic field by altering magmatic flow. A magnetic field can induce a current within a conductor moving within it; metal asteroids / meteors would be conductors. The current within the moving asteroid generates heat. The energy to create this heat is taken from the kinetic energy of the moving asteroid thru the magnetic field, thus slowing the asteroid. This slowing /heating would occur for a meteor moving perpendicular to lines of force, not parallel. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1946PA.....54..482R



                                            Thus by manipulating magnetic fields, the creature could steer a meteor to some degree, possibly inducing a meteor to hit in such a way as to launch a cloud of rock at escape velocity, obliterating the satellite.





                                            This induced mega impact is kind of a bold maneuver given the creature calls the planet home. But if it can steer nearby asteroids to some degree, why not steer a small one into the spacecraft and leave out the massive impact part? Even this would take great effort on the part of the creature as well as knowledge of asteroids in the vicinity (which it might perceive, at least periodically, if it were an electromagnetic creature).



                                            It might miss the first several times it tried. In fact for the story I like the idea of it missing every time but then realizing that the alteration of the magnetic field actually was greatly altering the stream of charged particles from the solar wind. Rather than whack the satellite with a fast moving piece of metal, it rearranges the planet's field so charged particles are funneled down onto the satellite, producing a quiet death from a thousand cuts.






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                                              $begingroup$


                                              1. What is the most energetic phenomenon a planet might have access to? I here assert this to be impacts from extraplanetary objects.


                                              2. Could an impact from an extraplanetary object propel material off of the impacted planet fast enough to escape the gravity well of the planet? Yes - a meteorite loosed from Mars was in the news some years ago as potentially containing fossil microbes. An ancient rock blasted loose from Earth was recently discovered in a collection of moon rocks.


                                              3. Could rocks blasted loose from the planet by an impactor disrupt an orbiting satellite? I think yes. Clearly a rock moving fast enough to reach the moon could do some damage if it hit something en route. I would assume this moon-destined rock was one of many and that the impact would produce a shotgun-like giant cloud of rock.


                                              4. Could a planetary super creature induce an impactor to hit? This is where it gets tricky. Let us assume the creature can manipulate the planet's magnetic field by altering magmatic flow. A magnetic field can induce a current within a conductor moving within it; metal asteroids / meteors would be conductors. The current within the moving asteroid generates heat. The energy to create this heat is taken from the kinetic energy of the moving asteroid thru the magnetic field, thus slowing the asteroid. This slowing /heating would occur for a meteor moving perpendicular to lines of force, not parallel. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1946PA.....54..482R



                                              Thus by manipulating magnetic fields, the creature could steer a meteor to some degree, possibly inducing a meteor to hit in such a way as to launch a cloud of rock at escape velocity, obliterating the satellite.





                                              This induced mega impact is kind of a bold maneuver given the creature calls the planet home. But if it can steer nearby asteroids to some degree, why not steer a small one into the spacecraft and leave out the massive impact part? Even this would take great effort on the part of the creature as well as knowledge of asteroids in the vicinity (which it might perceive, at least periodically, if it were an electromagnetic creature).



                                              It might miss the first several times it tried. In fact for the story I like the idea of it missing every time but then realizing that the alteration of the magnetic field actually was greatly altering the stream of charged particles from the solar wind. Rather than whack the satellite with a fast moving piece of metal, it rearranges the planet's field so charged particles are funneled down onto the satellite, producing a quiet death from a thousand cuts.






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                                                $begingroup$


                                                1. What is the most energetic phenomenon a planet might have access to? I here assert this to be impacts from extraplanetary objects.


                                                2. Could an impact from an extraplanetary object propel material off of the impacted planet fast enough to escape the gravity well of the planet? Yes - a meteorite loosed from Mars was in the news some years ago as potentially containing fossil microbes. An ancient rock blasted loose from Earth was recently discovered in a collection of moon rocks.


                                                3. Could rocks blasted loose from the planet by an impactor disrupt an orbiting satellite? I think yes. Clearly a rock moving fast enough to reach the moon could do some damage if it hit something en route. I would assume this moon-destined rock was one of many and that the impact would produce a shotgun-like giant cloud of rock.


                                                4. Could a planetary super creature induce an impactor to hit? This is where it gets tricky. Let us assume the creature can manipulate the planet's magnetic field by altering magmatic flow. A magnetic field can induce a current within a conductor moving within it; metal asteroids / meteors would be conductors. The current within the moving asteroid generates heat. The energy to create this heat is taken from the kinetic energy of the moving asteroid thru the magnetic field, thus slowing the asteroid. This slowing /heating would occur for a meteor moving perpendicular to lines of force, not parallel. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1946PA.....54..482R



                                                Thus by manipulating magnetic fields, the creature could steer a meteor to some degree, possibly inducing a meteor to hit in such a way as to launch a cloud of rock at escape velocity, obliterating the satellite.





                                                This induced mega impact is kind of a bold maneuver given the creature calls the planet home. But if it can steer nearby asteroids to some degree, why not steer a small one into the spacecraft and leave out the massive impact part? Even this would take great effort on the part of the creature as well as knowledge of asteroids in the vicinity (which it might perceive, at least periodically, if it were an electromagnetic creature).



                                                It might miss the first several times it tried. In fact for the story I like the idea of it missing every time but then realizing that the alteration of the magnetic field actually was greatly altering the stream of charged particles from the solar wind. Rather than whack the satellite with a fast moving piece of metal, it rearranges the planet's field so charged particles are funneled down onto the satellite, producing a quiet death from a thousand cuts.






                                                share|improve this answer









                                                $endgroup$




                                                1. What is the most energetic phenomenon a planet might have access to? I here assert this to be impacts from extraplanetary objects.


                                                2. Could an impact from an extraplanetary object propel material off of the impacted planet fast enough to escape the gravity well of the planet? Yes - a meteorite loosed from Mars was in the news some years ago as potentially containing fossil microbes. An ancient rock blasted loose from Earth was recently discovered in a collection of moon rocks.


                                                3. Could rocks blasted loose from the planet by an impactor disrupt an orbiting satellite? I think yes. Clearly a rock moving fast enough to reach the moon could do some damage if it hit something en route. I would assume this moon-destined rock was one of many and that the impact would produce a shotgun-like giant cloud of rock.


                                                4. Could a planetary super creature induce an impactor to hit? This is where it gets tricky. Let us assume the creature can manipulate the planet's magnetic field by altering magmatic flow. A magnetic field can induce a current within a conductor moving within it; metal asteroids / meteors would be conductors. The current within the moving asteroid generates heat. The energy to create this heat is taken from the kinetic energy of the moving asteroid thru the magnetic field, thus slowing the asteroid. This slowing /heating would occur for a meteor moving perpendicular to lines of force, not parallel. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1946PA.....54..482R



                                                Thus by manipulating magnetic fields, the creature could steer a meteor to some degree, possibly inducing a meteor to hit in such a way as to launch a cloud of rock at escape velocity, obliterating the satellite.





                                                This induced mega impact is kind of a bold maneuver given the creature calls the planet home. But if it can steer nearby asteroids to some degree, why not steer a small one into the spacecraft and leave out the massive impact part? Even this would take great effort on the part of the creature as well as knowledge of asteroids in the vicinity (which it might perceive, at least periodically, if it were an electromagnetic creature).



                                                It might miss the first several times it tried. In fact for the story I like the idea of it missing every time but then realizing that the alteration of the magnetic field actually was greatly altering the stream of charged particles from the solar wind. Rather than whack the satellite with a fast moving piece of metal, it rearranges the planet's field so charged particles are funneled down onto the satellite, producing a quiet death from a thousand cuts.







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