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If a zombie attempts suicide by attacking itself while under the effect of a protection from evil and good spell, would it have disadvantage on the roll to kill itself?






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    Why is the zombie attacking themself? A zombie is mindless and thus doesn't seem to really have any reason to do so.
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If a zombie attempts suicide by attacking itself while under the effect of a protection from evil and good spell, would it have disadvantage on the roll to kill itself?






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    Why is the zombie attacking themself? A zombie is mindless and thus doesn't seem to really have any reason to do so.
    – Rubiksmoose
    7 hours ago












  • I didn't have a specific reason in mind, I was just reading through spells and was curious.
    – Geekdude3
    7 hours ago














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    Why is the zombie attacking themself? A zombie is mindless and thus doesn't seem to really have any reason to do so.
    – Rubiksmoose
    7 hours ago












  • I didn't have a specific reason in mind, I was just reading through spells and was curious.
    – Geekdude3
    7 hours ago








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Why is the zombie attacking themself? A zombie is mindless and thus doesn't seem to really have any reason to do so.
– Rubiksmoose
7 hours ago






Why is the zombie attacking themself? A zombie is mindless and thus doesn't seem to really have any reason to do so.
– Rubiksmoose
7 hours ago














I didn't have a specific reason in mind, I was just reading through spells and was curious.
– Geekdude3
7 hours ago




I didn't have a specific reason in mind, I was just reading through spells and was curious.
– Geekdude3
7 hours ago










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Rules as Written (RAW), Yes



Protection From Evil and Good states:




Until the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected
against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials,
elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.



The protection grants several benefits. Creatures of those types have disadvantage on attack rolls against the target. (PHB, p. 270, bold added)




There is nothing in this description that indicates that the target of the spell must be different from the attacker. So yes, this spell would grant disadvantage on such an attack.



Note that this would rarely come up, especially since the target must be willing to have the spell cast upon themselves in the first place. Also note that if the target of the spell gave itself advantage somehow (such as by going prone, which would give it both advantage and disadvantage), it would just roll normally. And a DM could hypothetically decide that an honest attempt to injure oneself is automatically successful. But RAW yes, technically this spell could make it more difficult for a creature to strike itself.






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    Technically, yes, but would the zombie do that?



    I think the rules for Protection Against Evil and Good are fairly clear in how they work and the answer is yes. The zombie is attacking itself which is undead, and therefore has disadvantage.



    But I think it's worth asking why would a zombie attack itself? They're supposed to be mindless animated corpses with very simple motivations: Kill the living.



    For a zombie to think to kill itself means that it has to be capable of some pretty high level though processes (sense of self, goals, cost/benefit analysis, etc) and these aren't really in keeping with the lore of zombies. Obviously, you can do whatever you want with your games, but I think ZAI (Zombies as Intended), a zombie wouldn't attack itself.






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      Rules as Written (RAW), Yes



      Protection From Evil and Good states:




      Until the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected
      against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials,
      elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.



      The protection grants several benefits. Creatures of those types have disadvantage on attack rolls against the target. (PHB, p. 270, bold added)




      There is nothing in this description that indicates that the target of the spell must be different from the attacker. So yes, this spell would grant disadvantage on such an attack.



      Note that this would rarely come up, especially since the target must be willing to have the spell cast upon themselves in the first place. Also note that if the target of the spell gave itself advantage somehow (such as by going prone, which would give it both advantage and disadvantage), it would just roll normally. And a DM could hypothetically decide that an honest attempt to injure oneself is automatically successful. But RAW yes, technically this spell could make it more difficult for a creature to strike itself.






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        Rules as Written (RAW), Yes



        Protection From Evil and Good states:




        Until the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected
        against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials,
        elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.



        The protection grants several benefits. Creatures of those types have disadvantage on attack rolls against the target. (PHB, p. 270, bold added)




        There is nothing in this description that indicates that the target of the spell must be different from the attacker. So yes, this spell would grant disadvantage on such an attack.



        Note that this would rarely come up, especially since the target must be willing to have the spell cast upon themselves in the first place. Also note that if the target of the spell gave itself advantage somehow (such as by going prone, which would give it both advantage and disadvantage), it would just roll normally. And a DM could hypothetically decide that an honest attempt to injure oneself is automatically successful. But RAW yes, technically this spell could make it more difficult for a creature to strike itself.






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          Rules as Written (RAW), Yes



          Protection From Evil and Good states:




          Until the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected
          against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials,
          elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.



          The protection grants several benefits. Creatures of those types have disadvantage on attack rolls against the target. (PHB, p. 270, bold added)




          There is nothing in this description that indicates that the target of the spell must be different from the attacker. So yes, this spell would grant disadvantage on such an attack.



          Note that this would rarely come up, especially since the target must be willing to have the spell cast upon themselves in the first place. Also note that if the target of the spell gave itself advantage somehow (such as by going prone, which would give it both advantage and disadvantage), it would just roll normally. And a DM could hypothetically decide that an honest attempt to injure oneself is automatically successful. But RAW yes, technically this spell could make it more difficult for a creature to strike itself.






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          Rules as Written (RAW), Yes



          Protection From Evil and Good states:




          Until the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected
          against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials,
          elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.



          The protection grants several benefits. Creatures of those types have disadvantage on attack rolls against the target. (PHB, p. 270, bold added)




          There is nothing in this description that indicates that the target of the spell must be different from the attacker. So yes, this spell would grant disadvantage on such an attack.



          Note that this would rarely come up, especially since the target must be willing to have the spell cast upon themselves in the first place. Also note that if the target of the spell gave itself advantage somehow (such as by going prone, which would give it both advantage and disadvantage), it would just roll normally. And a DM could hypothetically decide that an honest attempt to injure oneself is automatically successful. But RAW yes, technically this spell could make it more difficult for a creature to strike itself.







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              Technically, yes, but would the zombie do that?



              I think the rules for Protection Against Evil and Good are fairly clear in how they work and the answer is yes. The zombie is attacking itself which is undead, and therefore has disadvantage.



              But I think it's worth asking why would a zombie attack itself? They're supposed to be mindless animated corpses with very simple motivations: Kill the living.



              For a zombie to think to kill itself means that it has to be capable of some pretty high level though processes (sense of self, goals, cost/benefit analysis, etc) and these aren't really in keeping with the lore of zombies. Obviously, you can do whatever you want with your games, but I think ZAI (Zombies as Intended), a zombie wouldn't attack itself.






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                Technically, yes, but would the zombie do that?



                I think the rules for Protection Against Evil and Good are fairly clear in how they work and the answer is yes. The zombie is attacking itself which is undead, and therefore has disadvantage.



                But I think it's worth asking why would a zombie attack itself? They're supposed to be mindless animated corpses with very simple motivations: Kill the living.



                For a zombie to think to kill itself means that it has to be capable of some pretty high level though processes (sense of self, goals, cost/benefit analysis, etc) and these aren't really in keeping with the lore of zombies. Obviously, you can do whatever you want with your games, but I think ZAI (Zombies as Intended), a zombie wouldn't attack itself.






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                  Technically, yes, but would the zombie do that?



                  I think the rules for Protection Against Evil and Good are fairly clear in how they work and the answer is yes. The zombie is attacking itself which is undead, and therefore has disadvantage.



                  But I think it's worth asking why would a zombie attack itself? They're supposed to be mindless animated corpses with very simple motivations: Kill the living.



                  For a zombie to think to kill itself means that it has to be capable of some pretty high level though processes (sense of self, goals, cost/benefit analysis, etc) and these aren't really in keeping with the lore of zombies. Obviously, you can do whatever you want with your games, but I think ZAI (Zombies as Intended), a zombie wouldn't attack itself.






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                  Technically, yes, but would the zombie do that?



                  I think the rules for Protection Against Evil and Good are fairly clear in how they work and the answer is yes. The zombie is attacking itself which is undead, and therefore has disadvantage.



                  But I think it's worth asking why would a zombie attack itself? They're supposed to be mindless animated corpses with very simple motivations: Kill the living.



                  For a zombie to think to kill itself means that it has to be capable of some pretty high level though processes (sense of self, goals, cost/benefit analysis, etc) and these aren't really in keeping with the lore of zombies. Obviously, you can do whatever you want with your games, but I think ZAI (Zombies as Intended), a zombie wouldn't attack itself.







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