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Is it allowed to use the "if + would" conditional when speculating about a polite request that could have taken place in past? I know that the would structure can be used to make a polite request, but can it be used for making one in the past as well?



Example: If he would have told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.



Also, may I use this construction in the past perfect tense?



Example: If he "would had told" me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.






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    Is it allowed to use the "if + would" conditional when speculating about a polite request that could have taken place in past? I know that the would structure can be used to make a polite request, but can it be used for making one in the past as well?



    Example: If he would have told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.



    Also, may I use this construction in the past perfect tense?



    Example: If he "would had told" me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.






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      Is it allowed to use the "if + would" conditional when speculating about a polite request that could have taken place in past? I know that the would structure can be used to make a polite request, but can it be used for making one in the past as well?



      Example: If he would have told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.



      Also, may I use this construction in the past perfect tense?



      Example: If he "would had told" me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.






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      Is it allowed to use the "if + would" conditional when speculating about a polite request that could have taken place in past? I know that the would structure can be used to make a polite request, but can it be used for making one in the past as well?



      Example: If he would have told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.



      Also, may I use this construction in the past perfect tense?



      Example: If he "would had told" me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.






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          There is nothing wrong with this:




          ✔ If he would have told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.




          However, it's a bit more common for it to be phrased this way:




          ✔ If he had told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.





          On the other hand, the combination of both would and had does not work:




          ✘ If he would had told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.







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          • But what about the construction: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he could have been promoted." And also: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he will be promoted." Are the tenses in the second clause interchangeable? Is it allowed to use them in this form?

            – Rare
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            Idiomatically, your first sentence is fine. Technically speaking (according to traditional grammar) it should be If Robert weren't so lazy he could have been promoted. Your second sentence should be rephrased: Robert would be promoted if he weren't so lazy.

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          If he would had told me is considered grammatically incorrect. The first example you showed is right.






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            First example:



            ✔ Correct



            Second example:



            ✖ Incorrect



            Either having had without would, or having have with would are both correct,



            Can't mix those to up!






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              "will" and "would" can be used in conditional clauses when a polite request is implied (the examples are taken from here):




              • If you 'll just fill in this form before you go, you can hand it in to reception.


              • If you would take a seat, the doctor will see you in five minutes.



              However, strictly speaking, this cannot be the case with a counterfactual conditional sentence in which both the condition and the result are set in the past.



              In the Cambridge Dictionary, we find this reference:



              We use would have + -ed in the main clause, not in the conditional clause:



              If he had stayed in the same room as Dave, it would have been a disaster.



              Not: If he would have stayed … it would have been a disaster.



              People do sometimes use the form with "would have" in informal speaking, but many speakers consider it incorrect.






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                There is nothing wrong with this:




                ✔ If he would have told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.




                However, it's a bit more common for it to be phrased this way:




                ✔ If he had told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.





                On the other hand, the combination of both would and had does not work:




                ✘ If he would had told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.







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                • But what about the construction: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he could have been promoted." And also: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he will be promoted." Are the tenses in the second clause interchangeable? Is it allowed to use them in this form?

                  – Rare
                  58 mins ago






                • 1





                  Idiomatically, your first sentence is fine. Technically speaking (according to traditional grammar) it should be If Robert weren't so lazy he could have been promoted. Your second sentence should be rephrased: Robert would be promoted if he weren't so lazy.

                  – Jason Bassford
                  57 mins ago


















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                There is nothing wrong with this:




                ✔ If he would have told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.




                However, it's a bit more common for it to be phrased this way:




                ✔ If he had told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.





                On the other hand, the combination of both would and had does not work:




                ✘ If he would had told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.







                share|improve this answer
























                • But what about the construction: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he could have been promoted." And also: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he will be promoted." Are the tenses in the second clause interchangeable? Is it allowed to use them in this form?

                  – Rare
                  58 mins ago






                • 1





                  Idiomatically, your first sentence is fine. Technically speaking (according to traditional grammar) it should be If Robert weren't so lazy he could have been promoted. Your second sentence should be rephrased: Robert would be promoted if he weren't so lazy.

                  – Jason Bassford
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                There is nothing wrong with this:




                ✔ If he would have told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.




                However, it's a bit more common for it to be phrased this way:




                ✔ If he had told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.





                On the other hand, the combination of both would and had does not work:




                ✘ If he would had told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.







                share|improve this answer













                There is nothing wrong with this:




                ✔ If he would have told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.




                However, it's a bit more common for it to be phrased this way:




                ✔ If he had told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.





                On the other hand, the combination of both would and had does not work:




                ✘ If he would had told me what he wanted for lunch, I would have cooked it for him.








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                • But what about the construction: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he could have been promoted." And also: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he will be promoted." Are the tenses in the second clause interchangeable? Is it allowed to use them in this form?

                  – Rare
                  58 mins ago






                • 1





                  Idiomatically, your first sentence is fine. Technically speaking (according to traditional grammar) it should be If Robert weren't so lazy he could have been promoted. Your second sentence should be rephrased: Robert would be promoted if he weren't so lazy.

                  – Jason Bassford
                  57 mins ago





















                • But what about the construction: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he could have been promoted." And also: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he will be promoted." Are the tenses in the second clause interchangeable? Is it allowed to use them in this form?

                  – Rare
                  58 mins ago






                • 1





                  Idiomatically, your first sentence is fine. Technically speaking (according to traditional grammar) it should be If Robert weren't so lazy he could have been promoted. Your second sentence should be rephrased: Robert would be promoted if he weren't so lazy.

                  – Jason Bassford
                  57 mins ago



















                But what about the construction: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he could have been promoted." And also: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he will be promoted." Are the tenses in the second clause interchangeable? Is it allowed to use them in this form?

                – Rare
                58 mins ago





                But what about the construction: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he could have been promoted." And also: "If Robert wasn't so lazy he will be promoted." Are the tenses in the second clause interchangeable? Is it allowed to use them in this form?

                – Rare
                58 mins ago




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                Idiomatically, your first sentence is fine. Technically speaking (according to traditional grammar) it should be If Robert weren't so lazy he could have been promoted. Your second sentence should be rephrased: Robert would be promoted if he weren't so lazy.

                – Jason Bassford
                57 mins ago







                Idiomatically, your first sentence is fine. Technically speaking (according to traditional grammar) it should be If Robert weren't so lazy he could have been promoted. Your second sentence should be rephrased: Robert would be promoted if he weren't so lazy.

                – Jason Bassford
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                If he would had told me is considered grammatically incorrect. The first example you showed is right.






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                        First example:



                        ✔ Correct



                        Second example:



                        ✖ Incorrect



                        Either having had without would, or having have with would are both correct,



                        Can't mix those to up!






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                          First example:



                          ✔ Correct



                          Second example:



                          ✖ Incorrect



                          Either having had without would, or having have with would are both correct,



                          Can't mix those to up!






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                            First example:



                            ✔ Correct



                            Second example:



                            ✖ Incorrect



                            Either having had without would, or having have with would are both correct,



                            Can't mix those to up!






                            share|improve this answer













                            First example:



                            ✔ Correct



                            Second example:



                            ✖ Incorrect



                            Either having had without would, or having have with would are both correct,



                            Can't mix those to up!







                            share|improve this answer












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                                "will" and "would" can be used in conditional clauses when a polite request is implied (the examples are taken from here):




                                • If you 'll just fill in this form before you go, you can hand it in to reception.


                                • If you would take a seat, the doctor will see you in five minutes.



                                However, strictly speaking, this cannot be the case with a counterfactual conditional sentence in which both the condition and the result are set in the past.



                                In the Cambridge Dictionary, we find this reference:



                                We use would have + -ed in the main clause, not in the conditional clause:



                                If he had stayed in the same room as Dave, it would have been a disaster.



                                Not: If he would have stayed … it would have been a disaster.



                                People do sometimes use the form with "would have" in informal speaking, but many speakers consider it incorrect.






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                                  "will" and "would" can be used in conditional clauses when a polite request is implied (the examples are taken from here):




                                  • If you 'll just fill in this form before you go, you can hand it in to reception.


                                  • If you would take a seat, the doctor will see you in five minutes.



                                  However, strictly speaking, this cannot be the case with a counterfactual conditional sentence in which both the condition and the result are set in the past.



                                  In the Cambridge Dictionary, we find this reference:



                                  We use would have + -ed in the main clause, not in the conditional clause:



                                  If he had stayed in the same room as Dave, it would have been a disaster.



                                  Not: If he would have stayed … it would have been a disaster.



                                  People do sometimes use the form with "would have" in informal speaking, but many speakers consider it incorrect.






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                                    "will" and "would" can be used in conditional clauses when a polite request is implied (the examples are taken from here):




                                    • If you 'll just fill in this form before you go, you can hand it in to reception.


                                    • If you would take a seat, the doctor will see you in five minutes.



                                    However, strictly speaking, this cannot be the case with a counterfactual conditional sentence in which both the condition and the result are set in the past.



                                    In the Cambridge Dictionary, we find this reference:



                                    We use would have + -ed in the main clause, not in the conditional clause:



                                    If he had stayed in the same room as Dave, it would have been a disaster.



                                    Not: If he would have stayed … it would have been a disaster.



                                    People do sometimes use the form with "would have" in informal speaking, but many speakers consider it incorrect.






                                    share|improve this answer















                                    "will" and "would" can be used in conditional clauses when a polite request is implied (the examples are taken from here):




                                    • If you 'll just fill in this form before you go, you can hand it in to reception.


                                    • If you would take a seat, the doctor will see you in five minutes.



                                    However, strictly speaking, this cannot be the case with a counterfactual conditional sentence in which both the condition and the result are set in the past.



                                    In the Cambridge Dictionary, we find this reference:



                                    We use would have + -ed in the main clause, not in the conditional clause:



                                    If he had stayed in the same room as Dave, it would have been a disaster.



                                    Not: If he would have stayed … it would have been a disaster.



                                    People do sometimes use the form with "would have" in informal speaking, but many speakers consider it incorrect.







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