How to ensure international logo implying a white male, won’t be offensive?











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We are launching an initiative in the field of informatics for which I asked for a logo. Our graphic designer took care of it and indeed showed me a very nice logo, where a man with a hammer in one hand is standing on a background of the Earth where many links are connecting people.



The man is clearly “resolute” and “hard-working for all of us”. I like it. But that man is very clearly a white man, and may be from the North of Europe or the North America, that's impossible to doubt even if it is simply painted.



I like the logo very much, but I have doubts about the man. I'm afraid that such a representation may seem offending or whatever to some people if we choose a white male as the symbol for a worldwide operating service.



Moreover, we do not have the possibility to personalize the logo on a regional basis: the same logo is for all the world.



How can I avoid the logo being perceived as unfair or racist or whatever?



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    Why not make it a profile of a person so that its ethnicity is unable to be seen? Including the logo would be very helpful for us to give feedback
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    I hope you don't take any offense here, I think you should post a different question, which will be a critique of the logo itself, I think there are many ways to improve it.
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    <irony>When machines come and take our planet, the simple fact that it is a human would be offensive... </irony>
    – Rafael
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    FWIW I get more Communist overtones than any racially-charged overtones (due to the hammer in his hand).
    – TylerH
    11 hours ago






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    tbh I was only able to spot the hammer after readinf your question. As others have already stated, this is bad logo design (too much detail, doesn't scale well, unlikely to be vector, …). This person being white is of secondary order. You can of course, ask the same question with a different print target in mind (e. g. conference banner).
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We are launching an initiative in the field of informatics for which I asked for a logo. Our graphic designer took care of it and indeed showed me a very nice logo, where a man with a hammer in one hand is standing on a background of the Earth where many links are connecting people.



The man is clearly “resolute” and “hard-working for all of us”. I like it. But that man is very clearly a white man, and may be from the North of Europe or the North America, that's impossible to doubt even if it is simply painted.



I like the logo very much, but I have doubts about the man. I'm afraid that such a representation may seem offending or whatever to some people if we choose a white male as the symbol for a worldwide operating service.



Moreover, we do not have the possibility to personalize the logo on a regional basis: the same logo is for all the world.



How can I avoid the logo being perceived as unfair or racist or whatever?



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    Why not make it a profile of a person so that its ethnicity is unable to be seen? Including the logo would be very helpful for us to give feedback
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    I hope you don't take any offense here, I think you should post a different question, which will be a critique of the logo itself, I think there are many ways to improve it.
    – WELZ
    15 hours ago






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    <irony>When machines come and take our planet, the simple fact that it is a human would be offensive... </irony>
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






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    FWIW I get more Communist overtones than any racially-charged overtones (due to the hammer in his hand).
    – TylerH
    11 hours ago






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    tbh I was only able to spot the hammer after readinf your question. As others have already stated, this is bad logo design (too much detail, doesn't scale well, unlikely to be vector, …). This person being white is of secondary order. You can of course, ask the same question with a different print target in mind (e. g. conference banner).
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We are launching an initiative in the field of informatics for which I asked for a logo. Our graphic designer took care of it and indeed showed me a very nice logo, where a man with a hammer in one hand is standing on a background of the Earth where many links are connecting people.



The man is clearly “resolute” and “hard-working for all of us”. I like it. But that man is very clearly a white man, and may be from the North of Europe or the North America, that's impossible to doubt even if it is simply painted.



I like the logo very much, but I have doubts about the man. I'm afraid that such a representation may seem offending or whatever to some people if we choose a white male as the symbol for a worldwide operating service.



Moreover, we do not have the possibility to personalize the logo on a regional basis: the same logo is for all the world.



How can I avoid the logo being perceived as unfair or racist or whatever?



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We are launching an initiative in the field of informatics for which I asked for a logo. Our graphic designer took care of it and indeed showed me a very nice logo, where a man with a hammer in one hand is standing on a background of the Earth where many links are connecting people.



The man is clearly “resolute” and “hard-working for all of us”. I like it. But that man is very clearly a white man, and may be from the North of Europe or the North America, that's impossible to doubt even if it is simply painted.



I like the logo very much, but I have doubts about the man. I'm afraid that such a representation may seem offending or whatever to some people if we choose a white male as the symbol for a worldwide operating service.



Moreover, we do not have the possibility to personalize the logo on a regional basis: the same logo is for all the world.



How can I avoid the logo being perceived as unfair or racist or whatever?



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    Why not make it a profile of a person so that its ethnicity is unable to be seen? Including the logo would be very helpful for us to give feedback
    – Zach Saucier
    15 hours ago






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    I hope you don't take any offense here, I think you should post a different question, which will be a critique of the logo itself, I think there are many ways to improve it.
    – WELZ
    15 hours ago






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    <irony>When machines come and take our planet, the simple fact that it is a human would be offensive... </irony>
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






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    FWIW I get more Communist overtones than any racially-charged overtones (due to the hammer in his hand).
    – TylerH
    11 hours ago






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    tbh I was only able to spot the hammer after readinf your question. As others have already stated, this is bad logo design (too much detail, doesn't scale well, unlikely to be vector, …). This person being white is of secondary order. You can of course, ask the same question with a different print target in mind (e. g. conference banner).
    – BlueWizard
    10 hours ago














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    Why not make it a profile of a person so that its ethnicity is unable to be seen? Including the logo would be very helpful for us to give feedback
    – Zach Saucier
    15 hours ago






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    I hope you don't take any offense here, I think you should post a different question, which will be a critique of the logo itself, I think there are many ways to improve it.
    – WELZ
    15 hours ago






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    <irony>When machines come and take our planet, the simple fact that it is a human would be offensive... </irony>
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






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    FWIW I get more Communist overtones than any racially-charged overtones (due to the hammer in his hand).
    – TylerH
    11 hours ago






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    tbh I was only able to spot the hammer after readinf your question. As others have already stated, this is bad logo design (too much detail, doesn't scale well, unlikely to be vector, …). This person being white is of secondary order. You can of course, ask the same question with a different print target in mind (e. g. conference banner).
    – BlueWizard
    10 hours ago








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Why not make it a profile of a person so that its ethnicity is unable to be seen? Including the logo would be very helpful for us to give feedback
– Zach Saucier
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Why not make it a profile of a person so that its ethnicity is unable to be seen? Including the logo would be very helpful for us to give feedback
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I hope you don't take any offense here, I think you should post a different question, which will be a critique of the logo itself, I think there are many ways to improve it.
– WELZ
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I hope you don't take any offense here, I think you should post a different question, which will be a critique of the logo itself, I think there are many ways to improve it.
– WELZ
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<irony>When machines come and take our planet, the simple fact that it is a human would be offensive... </irony>
– Rafael
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<irony>When machines come and take our planet, the simple fact that it is a human would be offensive... </irony>
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FWIW I get more Communist overtones than any racially-charged overtones (due to the hammer in his hand).
– TylerH
11 hours ago




FWIW I get more Communist overtones than any racially-charged overtones (due to the hammer in his hand).
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tbh I was only able to spot the hammer after readinf your question. As others have already stated, this is bad logo design (too much detail, doesn't scale well, unlikely to be vector, …). This person being white is of secondary order. You can of course, ask the same question with a different print target in mind (e. g. conference banner).
– BlueWizard
10 hours ago




tbh I was only able to spot the hammer after readinf your question. As others have already stated, this is bad logo design (too much detail, doesn't scale well, unlikely to be vector, …). This person being white is of secondary order. You can of course, ask the same question with a different print target in mind (e. g. conference banner).
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I personally don't find this picture suitable for a logo. It has shading, complicated color changes, and tiny detail - it looks around 6x6 cm on my monitor, and has tiny stars which might be a single pixel at that blown-up size.



Logos are meant to be used in a lot of different contexts, and instantly recognizable (without change) when printed in reduced color schemes including monochrome, when photocopied 3-4 times, or when engraved on a pen (about 3x3 mm). Both for their purpose (a symbol, as Scott points out) and for usage limitations, they are meant to be as simplified as possible. Just like your company motto (or elevator pitch) shouldn't be a 4 page document, your logo shouldn't be a detailed picture. So it is best practice to use something fairly simplified in a logo, in terms of few, clean lines and of color palette.



If you follow this best practice, your "racial" problem will solve itself. At the level of abstraction used for a good logo, the features of the face will be too ambiguous to be representative of a race. (Sure, a good cartoonist will be able to suggest a race with just a few strokes - but this would have to be done on purpose, and here you want the opposite).



Before deciding on a logo, look through the logos of companies who can afford to drop a 6 figure sum for theirs, and see what they all do and what they don't do, and how far they go on the abstract vs. detailed continuum. Hint: the BMW logo is the abstraction of a plane propeller.






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  • You are right, I simplified too much my question. As I explained below, this has been given as first step of the story telling, to be followed after that the story is shared, by a more simplified logo in the sense you are explaining. Thank you, I appreciate your post
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The easiest, clearest solution to this problem is to not use figures of any kind in the logo.



Stick to symbology and type modification.



If the symbology uses some sort of nondescript "stickman-like" figure that may be acceptable. However, color will play a large role there. And one can mistakenly start getting into "cartoon" type of figures which may not be the message the company wants to convey either.



This issue is typically not merely due to international sales/service, it can be localized as well. Unless ethnicity is a selling point which it often is not, then avoiding humans in logos can be the best option.



Use a fist and a hammer, or just the hammer.. there's no need for a face. That "logo" is rather intricate in my opinion. It won't reproduce well at smaller sizes and will come across as fairly ominous at larger sizes. I perceive far more "world domination" than "customer service" from it.





Being in the US, that image merely reminds me of Dr. Manhattan, an all powerful, God-like, omniscient, character from the Watchmen comic books.






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    My immediate reaction was "that's Dr Manhattan!". Who I'd never particularly thought of as Caucasian, but agree would not be ideal for a logo which does hint more towards world domination than informatics.
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I've seen the use of colors which aren't a skin color, such as blue or orange or even gray to fix this problem.



You should also consider simplifying the character (and the logo as a whole)





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PragerU sometimes uses a dark blue for people:





I've seen others go with a silhouette





In all of the above examples, they used one solid color for the skin-tone, which solves the color and simplification problem.






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    I doubt it is about color... the guy is actually blue.
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    @Rafael it's a white man with a blue effect, taking away facial features will help as well (as they've done in my examples).
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    Yup, I know, but you are only addressing color on your post :o( It is not about the color.
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    @Rafael fair enough, I sorta added that bit to my answer. In my defense, I posted this answer as the first thing that came to my mind and before the OP included the actual "logo".
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    Of course, these all still have some strong markers of gender, so you're still excluding half the world's population...
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Ok. Finally, the postmodern era has reached this forum. I can not fully express my politically incorrect view on the "I am offended" part. But I will address some inconsistencies on the logo itself.



That is not a logo, that is an illustration, a mission patch or something similar. It is very nice as such, but as a logo it needs to be simplified.



A lot fewer lines on the background, a simplified shape, probably a bit more geometric. That will help you make a more generic head shape (but of course someone will argue later that it is not a female)



Of course, the overall shape needs to fit the name of the company... If it is called Nordic Manpower Inc...





Another problem is that the man "hard-working for all of us", as mentioned. The hammer (or the T ruler) looks like a communist symbol, a labor symbol, not a technological concept.






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    Indeed the term “logo” I used is not properly tailored. The proposal I received is to “tell a story” starting with the high resolution symbol on the web site and printed communications, followed by some simplified elaboration of the same to be used as “logo” in the full sense. This is the draft of the HR symbol, to be used during project presentation on the web or whatever, and useful to create a concept recognizable in a logo made simplifying it. In this concept the cited problem is anyway evident at my eyes... so I’m asking advices
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  • Yes, that was the aim: hard work to deserve you the useful links... I appreciate your point anyway!
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    Ahahah... next we will discuss about female... ahaha
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    I think this answer would be improved by removing the rambling complaint about political correctness at the beginning.
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    @TylerH no rambling, merely saying that he's going to ignore what he thinks on that and move on, which I think is great!
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How can I avoid that the logo be perceived as unfair or racist or whatsoever?



Ok, this is a site of questions and answers about graphic design, as you will understand it's impossible that any of those who participate in this site can answer about how your logo will be perceived. Not here or anywhere. We should make a campaign to use the logo and then a statistic to see what percentage of people were affected. I don't think Photoshop solves this problem.



Seen this way, your question is off topic here.



Now, there may be a solution, perhaps changing the question:



What should I do if my logo doesn't represent conceptually the 100% of the premises that my company handles?



It's clear that no matter how beautiful the logo is, there is a conceptual failure of relevance, since you have raised it, and beyond knowing whether this will affect a future audience or not, it's something that must be solved beforehand.



And for this there's an exaggeratedly simple answer: tell your designer the logo is excellent formally but with a conceptual flaw that can not be overlooked. He, as a professional, must find a way to solve this fault.




By the way, and this is something personal, the biggest problem with the logo as it stands now is not the possible racial discrimination. For me, the most serious is its more than defined general graphic representation simulating images of European authoritarian regimes from the beginning of the last century. Conceptually it implies authoritarianism, oppression and submission. We are happily in the 21st century.







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    The hammer reminds me of the USSR. The angry face too.
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  • Thank you for the feedback. I take it very seriously. I wait for other eventual kind feedback to give as answered this question.
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    @WELZ, Dr.Manhattan is just indifferent, not angry.
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    @WELZ Yes. The the dedicated comrade Yuri (reference to Command & Conquer: Red Allert), only in blue instead of red. This graphic style was at almost every Sorela (SOcialistický REalismus - Socialistic realism) bulding in former CSSR.
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I personally don't find this picture suitable for a logo. It has shading, complicated color changes, and tiny detail - it looks around 6x6 cm on my monitor, and has tiny stars which might be a single pixel at that blown-up size.



Logos are meant to be used in a lot of different contexts, and instantly recognizable (without change) when printed in reduced color schemes including monochrome, when photocopied 3-4 times, or when engraved on a pen (about 3x3 mm). Both for their purpose (a symbol, as Scott points out) and for usage limitations, they are meant to be as simplified as possible. Just like your company motto (or elevator pitch) shouldn't be a 4 page document, your logo shouldn't be a detailed picture. So it is best practice to use something fairly simplified in a logo, in terms of few, clean lines and of color palette.



If you follow this best practice, your "racial" problem will solve itself. At the level of abstraction used for a good logo, the features of the face will be too ambiguous to be representative of a race. (Sure, a good cartoonist will be able to suggest a race with just a few strokes - but this would have to be done on purpose, and here you want the opposite).



Before deciding on a logo, look through the logos of companies who can afford to drop a 6 figure sum for theirs, and see what they all do and what they don't do, and how far they go on the abstract vs. detailed continuum. Hint: the BMW logo is the abstraction of a plane propeller.






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  • You are right, I simplified too much my question. As I explained below, this has been given as first step of the story telling, to be followed after that the story is shared, by a more simplified logo in the sense you are explaining. Thank you, I appreciate your post
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I personally don't find this picture suitable for a logo. It has shading, complicated color changes, and tiny detail - it looks around 6x6 cm on my monitor, and has tiny stars which might be a single pixel at that blown-up size.



Logos are meant to be used in a lot of different contexts, and instantly recognizable (without change) when printed in reduced color schemes including monochrome, when photocopied 3-4 times, or when engraved on a pen (about 3x3 mm). Both for their purpose (a symbol, as Scott points out) and for usage limitations, they are meant to be as simplified as possible. Just like your company motto (or elevator pitch) shouldn't be a 4 page document, your logo shouldn't be a detailed picture. So it is best practice to use something fairly simplified in a logo, in terms of few, clean lines and of color palette.



If you follow this best practice, your "racial" problem will solve itself. At the level of abstraction used for a good logo, the features of the face will be too ambiguous to be representative of a race. (Sure, a good cartoonist will be able to suggest a race with just a few strokes - but this would have to be done on purpose, and here you want the opposite).



Before deciding on a logo, look through the logos of companies who can afford to drop a 6 figure sum for theirs, and see what they all do and what they don't do, and how far they go on the abstract vs. detailed continuum. Hint: the BMW logo is the abstraction of a plane propeller.






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  • You are right, I simplified too much my question. As I explained below, this has been given as first step of the story telling, to be followed after that the story is shared, by a more simplified logo in the sense you are explaining. Thank you, I appreciate your post
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I personally don't find this picture suitable for a logo. It has shading, complicated color changes, and tiny detail - it looks around 6x6 cm on my monitor, and has tiny stars which might be a single pixel at that blown-up size.



Logos are meant to be used in a lot of different contexts, and instantly recognizable (without change) when printed in reduced color schemes including monochrome, when photocopied 3-4 times, or when engraved on a pen (about 3x3 mm). Both for their purpose (a symbol, as Scott points out) and for usage limitations, they are meant to be as simplified as possible. Just like your company motto (or elevator pitch) shouldn't be a 4 page document, your logo shouldn't be a detailed picture. So it is best practice to use something fairly simplified in a logo, in terms of few, clean lines and of color palette.



If you follow this best practice, your "racial" problem will solve itself. At the level of abstraction used for a good logo, the features of the face will be too ambiguous to be representative of a race. (Sure, a good cartoonist will be able to suggest a race with just a few strokes - but this would have to be done on purpose, and here you want the opposite).



Before deciding on a logo, look through the logos of companies who can afford to drop a 6 figure sum for theirs, and see what they all do and what they don't do, and how far they go on the abstract vs. detailed continuum. Hint: the BMW logo is the abstraction of a plane propeller.






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I personally don't find this picture suitable for a logo. It has shading, complicated color changes, and tiny detail - it looks around 6x6 cm on my monitor, and has tiny stars which might be a single pixel at that blown-up size.



Logos are meant to be used in a lot of different contexts, and instantly recognizable (without change) when printed in reduced color schemes including monochrome, when photocopied 3-4 times, or when engraved on a pen (about 3x3 mm). Both for their purpose (a symbol, as Scott points out) and for usage limitations, they are meant to be as simplified as possible. Just like your company motto (or elevator pitch) shouldn't be a 4 page document, your logo shouldn't be a detailed picture. So it is best practice to use something fairly simplified in a logo, in terms of few, clean lines and of color palette.



If you follow this best practice, your "racial" problem will solve itself. At the level of abstraction used for a good logo, the features of the face will be too ambiguous to be representative of a race. (Sure, a good cartoonist will be able to suggest a race with just a few strokes - but this would have to be done on purpose, and here you want the opposite).



Before deciding on a logo, look through the logos of companies who can afford to drop a 6 figure sum for theirs, and see what they all do and what they don't do, and how far they go on the abstract vs. detailed continuum. Hint: the BMW logo is the abstraction of a plane propeller.







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  • You are right, I simplified too much my question. As I explained below, this has been given as first step of the story telling, to be followed after that the story is shared, by a more simplified logo in the sense you are explaining. Thank you, I appreciate your post
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    13 hours ago


















  • You are right, I simplified too much my question. As I explained below, this has been given as first step of the story telling, to be followed after that the story is shared, by a more simplified logo in the sense you are explaining. Thank you, I appreciate your post
    – Rick Park
    13 hours ago
















You are right, I simplified too much my question. As I explained below, this has been given as first step of the story telling, to be followed after that the story is shared, by a more simplified logo in the sense you are explaining. Thank you, I appreciate your post
– Rick Park
13 hours ago




You are right, I simplified too much my question. As I explained below, this has been given as first step of the story telling, to be followed after that the story is shared, by a more simplified logo in the sense you are explaining. Thank you, I appreciate your post
– Rick Park
13 hours ago










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The easiest, clearest solution to this problem is to not use figures of any kind in the logo.



Stick to symbology and type modification.



If the symbology uses some sort of nondescript "stickman-like" figure that may be acceptable. However, color will play a large role there. And one can mistakenly start getting into "cartoon" type of figures which may not be the message the company wants to convey either.



This issue is typically not merely due to international sales/service, it can be localized as well. Unless ethnicity is a selling point which it often is not, then avoiding humans in logos can be the best option.



Use a fist and a hammer, or just the hammer.. there's no need for a face. That "logo" is rather intricate in my opinion. It won't reproduce well at smaller sizes and will come across as fairly ominous at larger sizes. I perceive far more "world domination" than "customer service" from it.





Being in the US, that image merely reminds me of Dr. Manhattan, an all powerful, God-like, omniscient, character from the Watchmen comic books.






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    My immediate reaction was "that's Dr Manhattan!". Who I'd never particularly thought of as Caucasian, but agree would not be ideal for a logo which does hint more towards world domination than informatics.
    – Mick O'Hea
    8 hours ago















up vote
14
down vote













The easiest, clearest solution to this problem is to not use figures of any kind in the logo.



Stick to symbology and type modification.



If the symbology uses some sort of nondescript "stickman-like" figure that may be acceptable. However, color will play a large role there. And one can mistakenly start getting into "cartoon" type of figures which may not be the message the company wants to convey either.



This issue is typically not merely due to international sales/service, it can be localized as well. Unless ethnicity is a selling point which it often is not, then avoiding humans in logos can be the best option.



Use a fist and a hammer, or just the hammer.. there's no need for a face. That "logo" is rather intricate in my opinion. It won't reproduce well at smaller sizes and will come across as fairly ominous at larger sizes. I perceive far more "world domination" than "customer service" from it.





Being in the US, that image merely reminds me of Dr. Manhattan, an all powerful, God-like, omniscient, character from the Watchmen comic books.






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  • 3




    My immediate reaction was "that's Dr Manhattan!". Who I'd never particularly thought of as Caucasian, but agree would not be ideal for a logo which does hint more towards world domination than informatics.
    – Mick O'Hea
    8 hours ago













up vote
14
down vote










up vote
14
down vote









The easiest, clearest solution to this problem is to not use figures of any kind in the logo.



Stick to symbology and type modification.



If the symbology uses some sort of nondescript "stickman-like" figure that may be acceptable. However, color will play a large role there. And one can mistakenly start getting into "cartoon" type of figures which may not be the message the company wants to convey either.



This issue is typically not merely due to international sales/service, it can be localized as well. Unless ethnicity is a selling point which it often is not, then avoiding humans in logos can be the best option.



Use a fist and a hammer, or just the hammer.. there's no need for a face. That "logo" is rather intricate in my opinion. It won't reproduce well at smaller sizes and will come across as fairly ominous at larger sizes. I perceive far more "world domination" than "customer service" from it.





Being in the US, that image merely reminds me of Dr. Manhattan, an all powerful, God-like, omniscient, character from the Watchmen comic books.






share|improve this answer














The easiest, clearest solution to this problem is to not use figures of any kind in the logo.



Stick to symbology and type modification.



If the symbology uses some sort of nondescript "stickman-like" figure that may be acceptable. However, color will play a large role there. And one can mistakenly start getting into "cartoon" type of figures which may not be the message the company wants to convey either.



This issue is typically not merely due to international sales/service, it can be localized as well. Unless ethnicity is a selling point which it often is not, then avoiding humans in logos can be the best option.



Use a fist and a hammer, or just the hammer.. there's no need for a face. That "logo" is rather intricate in my opinion. It won't reproduce well at smaller sizes and will come across as fairly ominous at larger sizes. I perceive far more "world domination" than "customer service" from it.





Being in the US, that image merely reminds me of Dr. Manhattan, an all powerful, God-like, omniscient, character from the Watchmen comic books.







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    My immediate reaction was "that's Dr Manhattan!". Who I'd never particularly thought of as Caucasian, but agree would not be ideal for a logo which does hint more towards world domination than informatics.
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    8 hours ago














  • 3




    My immediate reaction was "that's Dr Manhattan!". Who I'd never particularly thought of as Caucasian, but agree would not be ideal for a logo which does hint more towards world domination than informatics.
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    8 hours ago








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My immediate reaction was "that's Dr Manhattan!". Who I'd never particularly thought of as Caucasian, but agree would not be ideal for a logo which does hint more towards world domination than informatics.
– Mick O'Hea
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My immediate reaction was "that's Dr Manhattan!". Who I'd never particularly thought of as Caucasian, but agree would not be ideal for a logo which does hint more towards world domination than informatics.
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I've seen the use of colors which aren't a skin color, such as blue or orange or even gray to fix this problem.



You should also consider simplifying the character (and the logo as a whole)





Source



PragerU sometimes uses a dark blue for people:





I've seen others go with a silhouette





In all of the above examples, they used one solid color for the skin-tone, which solves the color and simplification problem.






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    I doubt it is about color... the guy is actually blue.
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






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    @Rafael it's a white man with a blue effect, taking away facial features will help as well (as they've done in my examples).
    – WELZ
    13 hours ago






  • 2




    Yup, I know, but you are only addressing color on your post :o( It is not about the color.
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






  • 1




    @Rafael fair enough, I sorta added that bit to my answer. In my defense, I posted this answer as the first thing that came to my mind and before the OP included the actual "logo".
    – WELZ
    13 hours ago






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    Of course, these all still have some strong markers of gender, so you're still excluding half the world's population...
    – 1006a
    11 hours ago















up vote
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I've seen the use of colors which aren't a skin color, such as blue or orange or even gray to fix this problem.



You should also consider simplifying the character (and the logo as a whole)





Source



PragerU sometimes uses a dark blue for people:





I've seen others go with a silhouette





In all of the above examples, they used one solid color for the skin-tone, which solves the color and simplification problem.






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  • 6




    I doubt it is about color... the guy is actually blue.
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






  • 1




    @Rafael it's a white man with a blue effect, taking away facial features will help as well (as they've done in my examples).
    – WELZ
    13 hours ago






  • 2




    Yup, I know, but you are only addressing color on your post :o( It is not about the color.
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






  • 1




    @Rafael fair enough, I sorta added that bit to my answer. In my defense, I posted this answer as the first thing that came to my mind and before the OP included the actual "logo".
    – WELZ
    13 hours ago






  • 2




    Of course, these all still have some strong markers of gender, so you're still excluding half the world's population...
    – 1006a
    11 hours ago













up vote
8
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up vote
8
down vote









I've seen the use of colors which aren't a skin color, such as blue or orange or even gray to fix this problem.



You should also consider simplifying the character (and the logo as a whole)





Source



PragerU sometimes uses a dark blue for people:





I've seen others go with a silhouette





In all of the above examples, they used one solid color for the skin-tone, which solves the color and simplification problem.






share|improve this answer














I've seen the use of colors which aren't a skin color, such as blue or orange or even gray to fix this problem.



You should also consider simplifying the character (and the logo as a whole)





Source



PragerU sometimes uses a dark blue for people:





I've seen others go with a silhouette





In all of the above examples, they used one solid color for the skin-tone, which solves the color and simplification problem.







share|improve this answer














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  • 6




    I doubt it is about color... the guy is actually blue.
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






  • 1




    @Rafael it's a white man with a blue effect, taking away facial features will help as well (as they've done in my examples).
    – WELZ
    13 hours ago






  • 2




    Yup, I know, but you are only addressing color on your post :o( It is not about the color.
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






  • 1




    @Rafael fair enough, I sorta added that bit to my answer. In my defense, I posted this answer as the first thing that came to my mind and before the OP included the actual "logo".
    – WELZ
    13 hours ago






  • 2




    Of course, these all still have some strong markers of gender, so you're still excluding half the world's population...
    – 1006a
    11 hours ago














  • 6




    I doubt it is about color... the guy is actually blue.
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






  • 1




    @Rafael it's a white man with a blue effect, taking away facial features will help as well (as they've done in my examples).
    – WELZ
    13 hours ago






  • 2




    Yup, I know, but you are only addressing color on your post :o( It is not about the color.
    – Rafael
    13 hours ago






  • 1




    @Rafael fair enough, I sorta added that bit to my answer. In my defense, I posted this answer as the first thing that came to my mind and before the OP included the actual "logo".
    – WELZ
    13 hours ago






  • 2




    Of course, these all still have some strong markers of gender, so you're still excluding half the world's population...
    – 1006a
    11 hours ago








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I doubt it is about color... the guy is actually blue.
– Rafael
13 hours ago




I doubt it is about color... the guy is actually blue.
– Rafael
13 hours ago




1




1




@Rafael it's a white man with a blue effect, taking away facial features will help as well (as they've done in my examples).
– WELZ
13 hours ago




@Rafael it's a white man with a blue effect, taking away facial features will help as well (as they've done in my examples).
– WELZ
13 hours ago




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2




Yup, I know, but you are only addressing color on your post :o( It is not about the color.
– Rafael
13 hours ago




Yup, I know, but you are only addressing color on your post :o( It is not about the color.
– Rafael
13 hours ago




1




1




@Rafael fair enough, I sorta added that bit to my answer. In my defense, I posted this answer as the first thing that came to my mind and before the OP included the actual "logo".
– WELZ
13 hours ago




@Rafael fair enough, I sorta added that bit to my answer. In my defense, I posted this answer as the first thing that came to my mind and before the OP included the actual "logo".
– WELZ
13 hours ago




2




2




Of course, these all still have some strong markers of gender, so you're still excluding half the world's population...
– 1006a
11 hours ago




Of course, these all still have some strong markers of gender, so you're still excluding half the world's population...
– 1006a
11 hours ago










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Ok. Finally, the postmodern era has reached this forum. I can not fully express my politically incorrect view on the "I am offended" part. But I will address some inconsistencies on the logo itself.



That is not a logo, that is an illustration, a mission patch or something similar. It is very nice as such, but as a logo it needs to be simplified.



A lot fewer lines on the background, a simplified shape, probably a bit more geometric. That will help you make a more generic head shape (but of course someone will argue later that it is not a female)



Of course, the overall shape needs to fit the name of the company... If it is called Nordic Manpower Inc...





Another problem is that the man "hard-working for all of us", as mentioned. The hammer (or the T ruler) looks like a communist symbol, a labor symbol, not a technological concept.






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    Indeed the term “logo” I used is not properly tailored. The proposal I received is to “tell a story” starting with the high resolution symbol on the web site and printed communications, followed by some simplified elaboration of the same to be used as “logo” in the full sense. This is the draft of the HR symbol, to be used during project presentation on the web or whatever, and useful to create a concept recognizable in a logo made simplifying it. In this concept the cited problem is anyway evident at my eyes... so I’m asking advices
    – Rick Park
    13 hours ago










  • Yes, that was the aim: hard work to deserve you the useful links... I appreciate your point anyway!
    – Rick Park
    13 hours ago






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    Ahahah... next we will discuss about female... ahaha
    – Rick Park
    12 hours ago






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    I think this answer would be improved by removing the rambling complaint about political correctness at the beginning.
    – TylerH
    11 hours ago






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    @TylerH no rambling, merely saying that he's going to ignore what he thinks on that and move on, which I think is great!
    – WELZ
    8 hours ago















up vote
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Ok. Finally, the postmodern era has reached this forum. I can not fully express my politically incorrect view on the "I am offended" part. But I will address some inconsistencies on the logo itself.



That is not a logo, that is an illustration, a mission patch or something similar. It is very nice as such, but as a logo it needs to be simplified.



A lot fewer lines on the background, a simplified shape, probably a bit more geometric. That will help you make a more generic head shape (but of course someone will argue later that it is not a female)



Of course, the overall shape needs to fit the name of the company... If it is called Nordic Manpower Inc...





Another problem is that the man "hard-working for all of us", as mentioned. The hammer (or the T ruler) looks like a communist symbol, a labor symbol, not a technological concept.






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  • 1




    Indeed the term “logo” I used is not properly tailored. The proposal I received is to “tell a story” starting with the high resolution symbol on the web site and printed communications, followed by some simplified elaboration of the same to be used as “logo” in the full sense. This is the draft of the HR symbol, to be used during project presentation on the web or whatever, and useful to create a concept recognizable in a logo made simplifying it. In this concept the cited problem is anyway evident at my eyes... so I’m asking advices
    – Rick Park
    13 hours ago










  • Yes, that was the aim: hard work to deserve you the useful links... I appreciate your point anyway!
    – Rick Park
    13 hours ago






  • 1




    Ahahah... next we will discuss about female... ahaha
    – Rick Park
    12 hours ago






  • 3




    I think this answer would be improved by removing the rambling complaint about political correctness at the beginning.
    – TylerH
    11 hours ago






  • 1




    @TylerH no rambling, merely saying that he's going to ignore what he thinks on that and move on, which I think is great!
    – WELZ
    8 hours ago













up vote
7
down vote










up vote
7
down vote









Ok. Finally, the postmodern era has reached this forum. I can not fully express my politically incorrect view on the "I am offended" part. But I will address some inconsistencies on the logo itself.



That is not a logo, that is an illustration, a mission patch or something similar. It is very nice as such, but as a logo it needs to be simplified.



A lot fewer lines on the background, a simplified shape, probably a bit more geometric. That will help you make a more generic head shape (but of course someone will argue later that it is not a female)



Of course, the overall shape needs to fit the name of the company... If it is called Nordic Manpower Inc...





Another problem is that the man "hard-working for all of us", as mentioned. The hammer (or the T ruler) looks like a communist symbol, a labor symbol, not a technological concept.






share|improve this answer














Ok. Finally, the postmodern era has reached this forum. I can not fully express my politically incorrect view on the "I am offended" part. But I will address some inconsistencies on the logo itself.



That is not a logo, that is an illustration, a mission patch or something similar. It is very nice as such, but as a logo it needs to be simplified.



A lot fewer lines on the background, a simplified shape, probably a bit more geometric. That will help you make a more generic head shape (but of course someone will argue later that it is not a female)



Of course, the overall shape needs to fit the name of the company... If it is called Nordic Manpower Inc...





Another problem is that the man "hard-working for all of us", as mentioned. The hammer (or the T ruler) looks like a communist symbol, a labor symbol, not a technological concept.







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  • 1




    Indeed the term “logo” I used is not properly tailored. The proposal I received is to “tell a story” starting with the high resolution symbol on the web site and printed communications, followed by some simplified elaboration of the same to be used as “logo” in the full sense. This is the draft of the HR symbol, to be used during project presentation on the web or whatever, and useful to create a concept recognizable in a logo made simplifying it. In this concept the cited problem is anyway evident at my eyes... so I’m asking advices
    – Rick Park
    13 hours ago










  • Yes, that was the aim: hard work to deserve you the useful links... I appreciate your point anyway!
    – Rick Park
    13 hours ago






  • 1




    Ahahah... next we will discuss about female... ahaha
    – Rick Park
    12 hours ago






  • 3




    I think this answer would be improved by removing the rambling complaint about political correctness at the beginning.
    – TylerH
    11 hours ago






  • 1




    @TylerH no rambling, merely saying that he's going to ignore what he thinks on that and move on, which I think is great!
    – WELZ
    8 hours ago














  • 1




    Indeed the term “logo” I used is not properly tailored. The proposal I received is to “tell a story” starting with the high resolution symbol on the web site and printed communications, followed by some simplified elaboration of the same to be used as “logo” in the full sense. This is the draft of the HR symbol, to be used during project presentation on the web or whatever, and useful to create a concept recognizable in a logo made simplifying it. In this concept the cited problem is anyway evident at my eyes... so I’m asking advices
    – Rick Park
    13 hours ago










  • Yes, that was the aim: hard work to deserve you the useful links... I appreciate your point anyway!
    – Rick Park
    13 hours ago






  • 1




    Ahahah... next we will discuss about female... ahaha
    – Rick Park
    12 hours ago






  • 3




    I think this answer would be improved by removing the rambling complaint about political correctness at the beginning.
    – TylerH
    11 hours ago






  • 1




    @TylerH no rambling, merely saying that he's going to ignore what he thinks on that and move on, which I think is great!
    – WELZ
    8 hours ago








1




1




Indeed the term “logo” I used is not properly tailored. The proposal I received is to “tell a story” starting with the high resolution symbol on the web site and printed communications, followed by some simplified elaboration of the same to be used as “logo” in the full sense. This is the draft of the HR symbol, to be used during project presentation on the web or whatever, and useful to create a concept recognizable in a logo made simplifying it. In this concept the cited problem is anyway evident at my eyes... so I’m asking advices
– Rick Park
13 hours ago




Indeed the term “logo” I used is not properly tailored. The proposal I received is to “tell a story” starting with the high resolution symbol on the web site and printed communications, followed by some simplified elaboration of the same to be used as “logo” in the full sense. This is the draft of the HR symbol, to be used during project presentation on the web or whatever, and useful to create a concept recognizable in a logo made simplifying it. In this concept the cited problem is anyway evident at my eyes... so I’m asking advices
– Rick Park
13 hours ago












Yes, that was the aim: hard work to deserve you the useful links... I appreciate your point anyway!
– Rick Park
13 hours ago




Yes, that was the aim: hard work to deserve you the useful links... I appreciate your point anyway!
– Rick Park
13 hours ago




1




1




Ahahah... next we will discuss about female... ahaha
– Rick Park
12 hours ago




Ahahah... next we will discuss about female... ahaha
– Rick Park
12 hours ago




3




3




I think this answer would be improved by removing the rambling complaint about political correctness at the beginning.
– TylerH
11 hours ago




I think this answer would be improved by removing the rambling complaint about political correctness at the beginning.
– TylerH
11 hours ago




1




1




@TylerH no rambling, merely saying that he's going to ignore what he thinks on that and move on, which I think is great!
– WELZ
8 hours ago




@TylerH no rambling, merely saying that he's going to ignore what he thinks on that and move on, which I think is great!
– WELZ
8 hours ago










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How can I avoid that the logo be perceived as unfair or racist or whatsoever?



Ok, this is a site of questions and answers about graphic design, as you will understand it's impossible that any of those who participate in this site can answer about how your logo will be perceived. Not here or anywhere. We should make a campaign to use the logo and then a statistic to see what percentage of people were affected. I don't think Photoshop solves this problem.



Seen this way, your question is off topic here.



Now, there may be a solution, perhaps changing the question:



What should I do if my logo doesn't represent conceptually the 100% of the premises that my company handles?



It's clear that no matter how beautiful the logo is, there is a conceptual failure of relevance, since you have raised it, and beyond knowing whether this will affect a future audience or not, it's something that must be solved beforehand.



And for this there's an exaggeratedly simple answer: tell your designer the logo is excellent formally but with a conceptual flaw that can not be overlooked. He, as a professional, must find a way to solve this fault.




By the way, and this is something personal, the biggest problem with the logo as it stands now is not the possible racial discrimination. For me, the most serious is its more than defined general graphic representation simulating images of European authoritarian regimes from the beginning of the last century. Conceptually it implies authoritarianism, oppression and submission. We are happily in the 21st century.







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    The hammer reminds me of the USSR. The angry face too.
    – WELZ
    15 hours ago










  • Thank you for the feedback. I take it very seriously. I wait for other eventual kind feedback to give as answered this question.
    – Rick Park
    15 hours ago






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    @WELZ, Dr.Manhattan is just indifferent, not angry.
    – Joonas
    9 hours ago






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    @WELZ Yes. The the dedicated comrade Yuri (reference to Command & Conquer: Red Allert), only in blue instead of red. This graphic style was at almost every Sorela (SOcialistický REalismus - Socialistic realism) bulding in former CSSR.
    – Crowley
    8 hours ago















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How can I avoid that the logo be perceived as unfair or racist or whatsoever?



Ok, this is a site of questions and answers about graphic design, as you will understand it's impossible that any of those who participate in this site can answer about how your logo will be perceived. Not here or anywhere. We should make a campaign to use the logo and then a statistic to see what percentage of people were affected. I don't think Photoshop solves this problem.



Seen this way, your question is off topic here.



Now, there may be a solution, perhaps changing the question:



What should I do if my logo doesn't represent conceptually the 100% of the premises that my company handles?



It's clear that no matter how beautiful the logo is, there is a conceptual failure of relevance, since you have raised it, and beyond knowing whether this will affect a future audience or not, it's something that must be solved beforehand.



And for this there's an exaggeratedly simple answer: tell your designer the logo is excellent formally but with a conceptual flaw that can not be overlooked. He, as a professional, must find a way to solve this fault.




By the way, and this is something personal, the biggest problem with the logo as it stands now is not the possible racial discrimination. For me, the most serious is its more than defined general graphic representation simulating images of European authoritarian regimes from the beginning of the last century. Conceptually it implies authoritarianism, oppression and submission. We are happily in the 21st century.







share|improve this answer



















  • 7




    The hammer reminds me of the USSR. The angry face too.
    – WELZ
    15 hours ago










  • Thank you for the feedback. I take it very seriously. I wait for other eventual kind feedback to give as answered this question.
    – Rick Park
    15 hours ago






  • 1




    @WELZ, Dr.Manhattan is just indifferent, not angry.
    – Joonas
    9 hours ago






  • 2




    @WELZ Yes. The the dedicated comrade Yuri (reference to Command & Conquer: Red Allert), only in blue instead of red. This graphic style was at almost every Sorela (SOcialistický REalismus - Socialistic realism) bulding in former CSSR.
    – Crowley
    8 hours ago













up vote
5
down vote










up vote
5
down vote









How can I avoid that the logo be perceived as unfair or racist or whatsoever?



Ok, this is a site of questions and answers about graphic design, as you will understand it's impossible that any of those who participate in this site can answer about how your logo will be perceived. Not here or anywhere. We should make a campaign to use the logo and then a statistic to see what percentage of people were affected. I don't think Photoshop solves this problem.



Seen this way, your question is off topic here.



Now, there may be a solution, perhaps changing the question:



What should I do if my logo doesn't represent conceptually the 100% of the premises that my company handles?



It's clear that no matter how beautiful the logo is, there is a conceptual failure of relevance, since you have raised it, and beyond knowing whether this will affect a future audience or not, it's something that must be solved beforehand.



And for this there's an exaggeratedly simple answer: tell your designer the logo is excellent formally but with a conceptual flaw that can not be overlooked. He, as a professional, must find a way to solve this fault.




By the way, and this is something personal, the biggest problem with the logo as it stands now is not the possible racial discrimination. For me, the most serious is its more than defined general graphic representation simulating images of European authoritarian regimes from the beginning of the last century. Conceptually it implies authoritarianism, oppression and submission. We are happily in the 21st century.







share|improve this answer














How can I avoid that the logo be perceived as unfair or racist or whatsoever?



Ok, this is a site of questions and answers about graphic design, as you will understand it's impossible that any of those who participate in this site can answer about how your logo will be perceived. Not here or anywhere. We should make a campaign to use the logo and then a statistic to see what percentage of people were affected. I don't think Photoshop solves this problem.



Seen this way, your question is off topic here.



Now, there may be a solution, perhaps changing the question:



What should I do if my logo doesn't represent conceptually the 100% of the premises that my company handles?



It's clear that no matter how beautiful the logo is, there is a conceptual failure of relevance, since you have raised it, and beyond knowing whether this will affect a future audience or not, it's something that must be solved beforehand.



And for this there's an exaggeratedly simple answer: tell your designer the logo is excellent formally but with a conceptual flaw that can not be overlooked. He, as a professional, must find a way to solve this fault.




By the way, and this is something personal, the biggest problem with the logo as it stands now is not the possible racial discrimination. For me, the most serious is its more than defined general graphic representation simulating images of European authoritarian regimes from the beginning of the last century. Conceptually it implies authoritarianism, oppression and submission. We are happily in the 21st century.








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    The hammer reminds me of the USSR. The angry face too.
    – WELZ
    15 hours ago










  • Thank you for the feedback. I take it very seriously. I wait for other eventual kind feedback to give as answered this question.
    – Rick Park
    15 hours ago






  • 1




    @WELZ, Dr.Manhattan is just indifferent, not angry.
    – Joonas
    9 hours ago






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    @WELZ Yes. The the dedicated comrade Yuri (reference to Command & Conquer: Red Allert), only in blue instead of red. This graphic style was at almost every Sorela (SOcialistický REalismus - Socialistic realism) bulding in former CSSR.
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    8 hours ago














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    The hammer reminds me of the USSR. The angry face too.
    – WELZ
    15 hours ago










  • Thank you for the feedback. I take it very seriously. I wait for other eventual kind feedback to give as answered this question.
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    @WELZ, Dr.Manhattan is just indifferent, not angry.
    – Joonas
    9 hours ago






  • 2




    @WELZ Yes. The the dedicated comrade Yuri (reference to Command & Conquer: Red Allert), only in blue instead of red. This graphic style was at almost every Sorela (SOcialistický REalismus - Socialistic realism) bulding in former CSSR.
    – Crowley
    8 hours ago








7




7




The hammer reminds me of the USSR. The angry face too.
– WELZ
15 hours ago




The hammer reminds me of the USSR. The angry face too.
– WELZ
15 hours ago












Thank you for the feedback. I take it very seriously. I wait for other eventual kind feedback to give as answered this question.
– Rick Park
15 hours ago




Thank you for the feedback. I take it very seriously. I wait for other eventual kind feedback to give as answered this question.
– Rick Park
15 hours ago




1




1




@WELZ, Dr.Manhattan is just indifferent, not angry.
– Joonas
9 hours ago




@WELZ, Dr.Manhattan is just indifferent, not angry.
– Joonas
9 hours ago




2




2




@WELZ Yes. The the dedicated comrade Yuri (reference to Command & Conquer: Red Allert), only in blue instead of red. This graphic style was at almost every Sorela (SOcialistický REalismus - Socialistic realism) bulding in former CSSR.
– Crowley
8 hours ago




@WELZ Yes. The the dedicated comrade Yuri (reference to Command & Conquer: Red Allert), only in blue instead of red. This graphic style was at almost every Sorela (SOcialistický REalismus - Socialistic realism) bulding in former CSSR.
– Crowley
8 hours ago










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