How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?





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I have a new job offer that offers 60% more salary than my current job and the same benefits. But I do not wish to leave my current job and in a month I will be getting my(annual) raise that will close the gap to 40%.



How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close. I will be changing the job if they can’t offer that, but I do not want that to be a threat or anything, I want it to be very professional and friendly, I really like my current job and the people I work with.



I do not want to do it in any rude way or anything -- I would really like it to be a mutual agreement. So, is there any specific way that I should approach this?



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  1. It has only been around a year since I started my current job

  2. I did not negotiate for a higher salary I took the job with the same salary as I had on the previous job










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  • Based on previous experience (if you have negotiated raises before), how is your boss likely to react if you asked for a 60% raise without mentioning a new job? Compared to similar roles in other businesses, are you currently underpaid?
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    @Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
    – mega6382
    yesterday






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    It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
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    @dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
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    Possible duplicate of Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
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I have a new job offer that offers 60% more salary than my current job and the same benefits. But I do not wish to leave my current job and in a month I will be getting my(annual) raise that will close the gap to 40%.



How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close. I will be changing the job if they can’t offer that, but I do not want that to be a threat or anything, I want it to be very professional and friendly, I really like my current job and the people I work with.



I do not want to do it in any rude way or anything -- I would really like it to be a mutual agreement. So, is there any specific way that I should approach this?



Edit: Some crucial info:




  1. It has only been around a year since I started my current job

  2. I did not negotiate for a higher salary I took the job with the same salary as I had on the previous job










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  • Based on previous experience (if you have negotiated raises before), how is your boss likely to react if you asked for a 60% raise without mentioning a new job? Compared to similar roles in other businesses, are you currently underpaid?
    – Kozaky
    yesterday






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    @Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
    – mega6382
    yesterday






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    It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
    – dyeje
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    @dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
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    Possible duplicate of Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
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I have a new job offer that offers 60% more salary than my current job and the same benefits. But I do not wish to leave my current job and in a month I will be getting my(annual) raise that will close the gap to 40%.



How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close. I will be changing the job if they can’t offer that, but I do not want that to be a threat or anything, I want it to be very professional and friendly, I really like my current job and the people I work with.



I do not want to do it in any rude way or anything -- I would really like it to be a mutual agreement. So, is there any specific way that I should approach this?



Edit: Some crucial info:




  1. It has only been around a year since I started my current job

  2. I did not negotiate for a higher salary I took the job with the same salary as I had on the previous job










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I have a new job offer that offers 60% more salary than my current job and the same benefits. But I do not wish to leave my current job and in a month I will be getting my(annual) raise that will close the gap to 40%.



How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close. I will be changing the job if they can’t offer that, but I do not want that to be a threat or anything, I want it to be very professional and friendly, I really like my current job and the people I work with.



I do not want to do it in any rude way or anything -- I would really like it to be a mutual agreement. So, is there any specific way that I should approach this?



Edit: Some crucial info:




  1. It has only been around a year since I started my current job

  2. I did not negotiate for a higher salary I took the job with the same salary as I had on the previous job







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  • Based on previous experience (if you have negotiated raises before), how is your boss likely to react if you asked for a 60% raise without mentioning a new job? Compared to similar roles in other businesses, are you currently underpaid?
    – Kozaky
    yesterday






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    @Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
    – mega6382
    yesterday






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    It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
    – dyeje
    yesterday






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    @dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
    – mega6382
    yesterday






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    Possible duplicate of Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
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  • Based on previous experience (if you have negotiated raises before), how is your boss likely to react if you asked for a 60% raise without mentioning a new job? Compared to similar roles in other businesses, are you currently underpaid?
    – Kozaky
    yesterday






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    @Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
    – mega6382
    yesterday






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    It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
    – dyeje
    yesterday






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    @dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
    – mega6382
    yesterday






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    Possible duplicate of Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
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Based on previous experience (if you have negotiated raises before), how is your boss likely to react if you asked for a 60% raise without mentioning a new job? Compared to similar roles in other businesses, are you currently underpaid?
– Kozaky
yesterday




Based on previous experience (if you have negotiated raises before), how is your boss likely to react if you asked for a 60% raise without mentioning a new job? Compared to similar roles in other businesses, are you currently underpaid?
– Kozaky
yesterday




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@Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
– mega6382
yesterday




@Kozaky Yes, I am a bit underpaid, other professionals in my company at the same job title are making at least 40-50% more than me, this is why I know that I can get my employer to match the new offer, but I do not want to do it in a threatening way
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yesterday




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It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
– dyeje
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It sounds like your current employer is offering you a 20% raise at your review, which is already an extremely large bump. It is very unlikely they will match 60%. Is there a reason you don't want to take the new job offer?
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yesterday




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@dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
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@dyeje I do want to take the new job but getting a better raise at my current job would be more preferable I do not necessarily want a 60% raise any thing between 40-50% will do. The main thing is that I am already familiar with all the projects, policies, people etc at my current job and its all pretty decent, so, I will have to start over with all these at the new job
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Possible duplicate of Do I mention a competing offer when negotiating a raise?
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Actually convincing them is the easy part, keeping your job after the dust settles is another matter entirely.



The best approaches would be:




  • Avoid making it seem like you were making a threat or ultimatum, it would be best to ask for a pay raise BEFORE mentioning any offer


  • Go to Salaries.com or another site that gives salaries for your industry.


  • Have a "Sales pitch" ready. Justify WHY you are worth more money. Include permformance history and comparable salaries.


  • Emphasise that you WANT to stay with them. They are more likely to offer you more money if they are fairly certain that they are investing in the company's future as well instead of just yours.



If all of this fails and you get an offer, don't tell them how much the offer is.



One thing any recruiter, HR professional, or seasoned person in the workplace will tell you is...



NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER



Here's why.




  1. You've proven that you're disloyal (or that is how it will be seen) and therefore, can't be trusted.

  2. Your company will be finding a replacement for you at the first opportunity. You are now a flight risk

  3. Your coworkers will resent you.






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    On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
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    There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
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    @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
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    Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
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How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?




The best way to do this, as you mention elsewhere, is not to tell your employer about the offer. Instead, highlight your performance and accomplishments to show why you are worth a raise in salary. Show how you are currently paid less than market rate.



You really have nothing to lose in asking for a raise, because worst case scenario the employer says no, and you simply accept the new job offer.



By explicitly telling your employer about the offer, you risk your employment.



As soon as you tell your employer that you have a new job offer, your employer may view and treat you differently. An employer is in the business of keeping employees. Once you raise the idea of your leaving, your employer may regard you as a risk.



People generally don't interview with other companies because they are happy, or content -- it usually means they are interested in other things.



Even if your employer matches the salary, your employer really doesn't know if you're going to stick around. Maybe in 6 months you'll actually decide to leave.



It may be just a matter of time before your employer decides to replace you with someone who your employer considers to be less of a risk.



If that happens, you'll be out of a job, and have no leverage when trying to find a new offer.






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  • I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
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    @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
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    An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
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  • @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
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    @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
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I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest, with some caveats, that you go to your boss and be completely up front about it.



I went through basically the same thing at the start of my career. I had taken a job as an entry level programmer. I actually took a slight pay cut from the job I had as tech support. After a year, I felt I had proven my worth. My boss kept promising me a raise, but never got around to it. For what it's worth, I don't think his promises were false, he was just a really busy guy and there was a lot going on.



My wife and I were struggling financially, though, and intended raise or not, I needed to be making more money. I started looking and got an offer for significantly more than I was making. I took it to my boss and said "Look, I don't want to leave. You gave me a shot as a new programmer and I truly appreciate it. However, my wife and I are struggling financially and I really need to be making more money. You don't have to completely match this, but if you can't do something, I'm going to have to take it even though I would much rather stay here."



They ended up completely matching the offer and I stayed on with the company. There were no long term negative consequences and my boss even kind of apologized to me and said "I guess if I had gotten around to your raise, this wouldn't have been necessary."



Now, for the caveats:




  1. I don't recommend this for everyone. You know what kind of
    organization you work for and what kind of person your boss is.

  2. You also know, or at least should know, how valuable you are to the company. Regardless of how good you are and how much your boss
    likes you, there's no way they will give you a $50,000 raise if you
    are only adding $40,000 worth of value to the company.

  3. Everything I told my boss was the truth, it was not some kind of negotiating trick. I do not recommend anything other than you
    telling the truth.

  4. This is a one time kind of thing, not something you can do repeatedly. You doing this one time because you feel you are
    significantly underpaid is one thing. Doing it every time you want a
    raise is going to get extremely old extremely fast.






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    Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
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    This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
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    I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
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The answer to your dilemma is not to convince your employer that you are worth a 60% raise but rather take the job that is offering a 60% raise. Here are the reasons why:




  • You don’t know for sure if your annual raise will close the gap by 40% much less negotiating for 60%

  • Your current job will not last nor will the people working with you. To not take a job offer because you’re familiar with your current position or the people you work with isn’t a reality based or logical solution.


If by chance, you did successfully negotiate a 60% salary raise, and your co-workers catch wind of this…expect the mood in the office and interactions with you to be adversely affected. The long-timers in your group will be pretty upset that someone with a years’ experience getting a 60% raise for doing the same job.



Take the new job and enjoy the raise. Grow within the new position and if after a while you miss the old gang, wait for an open position, reapply, and next time do a better job negotiating your salary.






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  • You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
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    If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
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  • Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
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  • This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
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    @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
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"Give me what I'm asking for or I'll leave" never ends well for anyone. You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions, not your ability to make threats or leverage another offer. I think you've picked up on this based on your statement that you want this to be mutual thing - so leverage the mutual advantages. Make sure you understand and can explain why you're a good employee for your current employer before you ask for anything.



It's certainly OK to use an external offer as a data point to determine your market value, but you need to base the actual ask for a raise on your value to your current employer - your contribution to projects, your skills, your growth, and so on.



60% is a huge gap in compensation. What are the extenuating circumstances? Were you brought in under a more junior position? Is your current employer nonprofit or of some other status that usually indicates lower compensation? What is their structure for determining compensation and raises? You mention an upcoming raise (that you apparently already know the value of), do you have the ability to formally influence that process? Can your manager even give discretionary raises based on performance?






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  • +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
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    You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
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    To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
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    @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
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  • @aCVn yes and ok, I’ll update it right away
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You could present the fact that you have other offers as "market research" you have done.



Rather than defending a pay rise with the alternative of quitting, you could approach your employer with:




Hey, I have received another job offer with a significant pay rise. I
do love working here, so I would rather stay. Would you be willing to
negotiate my salary so it matches my market value?







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    Market Worth



    Phrase the conversation as more about you being paid fairly for your value in the market, instead of an ultimatum. Essentially, the offer you received, unless there are some extenuating circumstances, shows what your value in the industry is more or less. Something like



    "Hey boss, I like working here and am happy with the company, but I do feel like I'm not being paid for my value. For example, this other company headhunted me and was willing to pay X. I truly prefer this company but I don't feel the respect is returned when I am paid 60% under what I should be."



    Just let them know that you prefer their company, you are being underpaid for what you're worth in the market, and you're preferable outcome is for your company to make some indication that they respect you and will help close the gap.



    Industry



    I believe most of the other answers are from a tech industry perspective, and just wanted to point out that other industries have different standards. In finance for example it's very common for employees to receive bid-aways and the from to respond with a counter-offer. Employees who accept the counter are in general not punished afterwords, assuming they went about the process in a professional and respectful manner.






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      How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close




      An easier option is to get raises through normal promotions/yearly reviews. If you did well, ask them if you can get a pay raise. Or ask them about a promotion to get the pay you want. I think in this situation you're not angering or threatening your employer. You're just asking and there's nothing wrong with that unless you want a huge pay hike.



      You can present the offer document but the possible outcomes don't really look good for you. From my own experience and observation, they'll tell you either:




      1. They'll tell you good bye in which case it's all good because you got a better offer in hand.

      2. They'll say no, but knowing that it's possible you'll leave in the very near future, they'll look to fill your position and fast.

      3. They'll say yes, grant you the pay raise, but they know you'll likely quit anyways - as it is historically true in most situations. So they'll look to fill your position then either fire you or bump you down to a lesser role knowing you'll quit (this is the most likely outcome).


      With #3, it's entirely possible you'll be in a situation where you don't have a job offer and you're either stuck at the company or let go of. Basically by presenting the documentation, you'll set yourself up to a lose-lose situation. Your employer is caught off guard, and to protect their business, they need to have some assurance that a employee isn't on the verge of leaving. If you got a better job offer, actually go with the better job offer. Just tell your current employer goodbye and leave.






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        When I was negotiating for a raise as a part time employee I found market research and asked for what I thought wast he bare minimum - underpaid doesn't' even begin to describe the amount of money I make. My boss predictably said that she didn't know how things would go so I asked her who her boss was so I could talk to them about it. After informing me that's not how things work she got me a meeting with him. A couple of months later a internal promotion opportunity arose - not something that's common in my department - and I was able to beat out a phd student who was very close to defending his thesis in no small part because of the preparation I did while making the argument that I was worth more money. I do not have a college degree.



        Here's a list of things that I did.




        1. Market research.


        I went to the internet to quantify how much money people in my field made. I used these figures and what I knew about wages in my area and sector to outline what I thought was the absolute minimum fair compensation for my skills. If I had done this now, I would have strongly argued that I was worth a lot more than that because frankly my pay is still a massive joke. Ask for what you're worth, not for what you'll stay for.





        1. Organized planning and delivery.


        I wrote down the important facts and figures about what I made and I planned out what I was going to say to my boss. I then took the 2 week long wait to talk to her boss - she made the mistake of giving me his name so the meeting was happening with or without her blessing, my bluntness made that pretty clear and my boss is a really good boss so she wasn't opposed to increasing my wage - I planned out what to say to him and how to go about it. The actual conversation was almost nothing like what I had planned, but I was able to guide it where I wanted it to go slowly but surely.




        1. Know what you're talking about.


        My boss's boss did not ask me what I thought he would. I'm pretty sure he didn't even ask any questions about wages. It was okay though because I genuinely knew my stuff, and I was able to guide the conversation to highlight the points I believed to be important.



        I know it worked because my boss's boss literally congratulated me on my promotion like two days later on my way into work. The only thing I would have changed is asking for more money being more serious about finding other job offers in my field. I did interview for another company and that went very well, but the job was further away from my field than my current one so I didn't take it.



        The thing about this strategy is that when it fails, you have to move on. I only took the promotion because I was got the job offer the same day of my interview for the other company. If the job offer had come any later, I would have made plans to work somewhere else. My wage was, in a word, insulting.






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          It's very tough to ask for a 40% increase because if you're that underpaid, your boss is unlikely to change tune now. Maybe they can't afford to pay you that much. Still, it happens.



          Here's how I would do it:



          Step 0a: Get Over It



          Negotiating your salary is inherently adversarial. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean you won't be friendly or polite with your boss, or that he won't be the same with you after this is done.



          That said, do not confuse being friendly with being your friend. This is a business transaction, and this is why it's inherently adversarial.



          You may smile and laugh and reminesce about the old times, but behind that facade you must remember that he's trying to cheat you out of tens of thousands of $currency. Don't believe me? How many years do you plan to stay there? Multiply that by the 40% difference - that's the amount you stand to lose.



          Step 0b: Plan



          Figure out what would make you happy. Do you want the full 40% increase? Would another perk make up for some of it? A promotion, perhaps?



          Write this plan down and make sure that, if you do get some alternatives, you're still happy and won't be resentful at letting an opportunity go by.



          Remember, the final offer must be fair to you, not your current boss.



          Step 1: Submit your Notice



          This tells your boss you're serious and secures the offer you currently have. This is your position of strength from which your negotiation will happen.



          Step 2: Negotiate



          Tell him you really want to keep working here but are not happy leaving that much money on the table. This is pretty much what you wrote above.



          I don't like to reveal my cards when negotiating and I wouldn't reveal the exact number. I would mention it's a high percentage and if a counter offer happens, I'd keep looking disappointed until I got what I wanted - or more.



          But that's just me. If you're happy getting that 40%, or close to it (remember step 0b?) then you should go for it. If they can't give you the full amount, start asking for things that would make it up for you, those things that you thought about before.



          And if it goes wrong, you can always walk away to your cozy new job.






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          • Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
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            @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
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          • @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
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          • No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
            – mega6382
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            @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
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          Actually convincing them is the easy part, keeping your job after the dust settles is another matter entirely.



          The best approaches would be:




          • Avoid making it seem like you were making a threat or ultimatum, it would be best to ask for a pay raise BEFORE mentioning any offer


          • Go to Salaries.com or another site that gives salaries for your industry.


          • Have a "Sales pitch" ready. Justify WHY you are worth more money. Include permformance history and comparable salaries.


          • Emphasise that you WANT to stay with them. They are more likely to offer you more money if they are fairly certain that they are investing in the company's future as well instead of just yours.



          If all of this fails and you get an offer, don't tell them how much the offer is.



          One thing any recruiter, HR professional, or seasoned person in the workplace will tell you is...



          NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER



          Here's why.




          1. You've proven that you're disloyal (or that is how it will be seen) and therefore, can't be trusted.

          2. Your company will be finding a replacement for you at the first opportunity. You are now a flight risk

          3. Your coworkers will resent you.






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            On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
            – Carl Witthoft
            12 hours ago






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            There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
            – Julie in Austin
            11 hours ago






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            @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
            – Richard U
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            Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
            – Ares
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          Actually convincing them is the easy part, keeping your job after the dust settles is another matter entirely.



          The best approaches would be:




          • Avoid making it seem like you were making a threat or ultimatum, it would be best to ask for a pay raise BEFORE mentioning any offer


          • Go to Salaries.com or another site that gives salaries for your industry.


          • Have a "Sales pitch" ready. Justify WHY you are worth more money. Include permformance history and comparable salaries.


          • Emphasise that you WANT to stay with them. They are more likely to offer you more money if they are fairly certain that they are investing in the company's future as well instead of just yours.



          If all of this fails and you get an offer, don't tell them how much the offer is.



          One thing any recruiter, HR professional, or seasoned person in the workplace will tell you is...



          NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER



          Here's why.




          1. You've proven that you're disloyal (or that is how it will be seen) and therefore, can't be trusted.

          2. Your company will be finding a replacement for you at the first opportunity. You are now a flight risk

          3. Your coworkers will resent you.






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          • Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
            – Jane S
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          • 15




            On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
            – Carl Witthoft
            12 hours ago






          • 1




            There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
            – Julie in Austin
            11 hours ago






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            @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
            – Richard U
            11 hours ago






          • 4




            Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
            – Ares
            10 hours ago















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          up vote
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          Actually convincing them is the easy part, keeping your job after the dust settles is another matter entirely.



          The best approaches would be:




          • Avoid making it seem like you were making a threat or ultimatum, it would be best to ask for a pay raise BEFORE mentioning any offer


          • Go to Salaries.com or another site that gives salaries for your industry.


          • Have a "Sales pitch" ready. Justify WHY you are worth more money. Include permformance history and comparable salaries.


          • Emphasise that you WANT to stay with them. They are more likely to offer you more money if they are fairly certain that they are investing in the company's future as well instead of just yours.



          If all of this fails and you get an offer, don't tell them how much the offer is.



          One thing any recruiter, HR professional, or seasoned person in the workplace will tell you is...



          NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER



          Here's why.




          1. You've proven that you're disloyal (or that is how it will be seen) and therefore, can't be trusted.

          2. Your company will be finding a replacement for you at the first opportunity. You are now a flight risk

          3. Your coworkers will resent you.






          share|improve this answer














          Actually convincing them is the easy part, keeping your job after the dust settles is another matter entirely.



          The best approaches would be:




          • Avoid making it seem like you were making a threat or ultimatum, it would be best to ask for a pay raise BEFORE mentioning any offer


          • Go to Salaries.com or another site that gives salaries for your industry.


          • Have a "Sales pitch" ready. Justify WHY you are worth more money. Include permformance history and comparable salaries.


          • Emphasise that you WANT to stay with them. They are more likely to offer you more money if they are fairly certain that they are investing in the company's future as well instead of just yours.



          If all of this fails and you get an offer, don't tell them how much the offer is.



          One thing any recruiter, HR professional, or seasoned person in the workplace will tell you is...



          NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER



          Here's why.




          1. You've proven that you're disloyal (or that is how it will be seen) and therefore, can't be trusted.

          2. Your company will be finding a replacement for you at the first opportunity. You are now a flight risk

          3. Your coworkers will resent you.







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          • Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
            – Jane S
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            On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
            – Carl Witthoft
            12 hours ago






          • 1




            There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
            – Julie in Austin
            11 hours ago






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            @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
            – Richard U
            11 hours ago






          • 4




            Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
            – Ares
            10 hours ago




















          • Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
            – Jane S
            yesterday






          • 15




            On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
            – Carl Witthoft
            12 hours ago






          • 1




            There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
            – Julie in Austin
            11 hours ago






          • 1




            @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
            – Richard U
            11 hours ago






          • 4




            Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
            – Ares
            10 hours ago


















          Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
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          On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
          – Carl Witthoft
          12 hours ago




          On the basis of three personal samples - self and two others -- that's just not true. All of us took the counter and remained at the company for years until we chose to leave for one reason or another.
          – Carl Witthoft
          12 hours ago




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          There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
          – Julie in Austin
          11 hours ago




          There are exceptions, and it's possible the OP is one of them. The key exception is "early career" workers where the starting salary was based on no proven track record. If that's the case, I'd suggest the OP be very transparent -- "I love working here and I've since learned I'm underpaid relative to the market." But the correct response to a mid- or late-career employee demanding a fat raise or they'll leave is "so long."
          – Julie in Austin
          11 hours ago




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          @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
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          11 hours ago




          @CarlWitthoft please feel free to provide a better answer of your own.
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          11 hours ago




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          4




          Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
          – Ares
          10 hours ago






          Was the section NEVER ACCEPT A COUNTER OFFER just a mention of what people will tell you generally or are you agreeing with them and making those points yourself? That's not the first time I've seen people mention the exact same points on this forum but in truth they are really extreme and not even true.
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          How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?




          The best way to do this, as you mention elsewhere, is not to tell your employer about the offer. Instead, highlight your performance and accomplishments to show why you are worth a raise in salary. Show how you are currently paid less than market rate.



          You really have nothing to lose in asking for a raise, because worst case scenario the employer says no, and you simply accept the new job offer.



          By explicitly telling your employer about the offer, you risk your employment.



          As soon as you tell your employer that you have a new job offer, your employer may view and treat you differently. An employer is in the business of keeping employees. Once you raise the idea of your leaving, your employer may regard you as a risk.



          People generally don't interview with other companies because they are happy, or content -- it usually means they are interested in other things.



          Even if your employer matches the salary, your employer really doesn't know if you're going to stick around. Maybe in 6 months you'll actually decide to leave.



          It may be just a matter of time before your employer decides to replace you with someone who your employer considers to be less of a risk.



          If that happens, you'll be out of a job, and have no leverage when trying to find a new offer.






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          • I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
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            @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
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            An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
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          • @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
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            @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
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          How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?




          The best way to do this, as you mention elsewhere, is not to tell your employer about the offer. Instead, highlight your performance and accomplishments to show why you are worth a raise in salary. Show how you are currently paid less than market rate.



          You really have nothing to lose in asking for a raise, because worst case scenario the employer says no, and you simply accept the new job offer.



          By explicitly telling your employer about the offer, you risk your employment.



          As soon as you tell your employer that you have a new job offer, your employer may view and treat you differently. An employer is in the business of keeping employees. Once you raise the idea of your leaving, your employer may regard you as a risk.



          People generally don't interview with other companies because they are happy, or content -- it usually means they are interested in other things.



          Even if your employer matches the salary, your employer really doesn't know if you're going to stick around. Maybe in 6 months you'll actually decide to leave.



          It may be just a matter of time before your employer decides to replace you with someone who your employer considers to be less of a risk.



          If that happens, you'll be out of a job, and have no leverage when trying to find a new offer.






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          • I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
            – mega6382
            yesterday






          • 2




            @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
            – mcknz
            yesterday






          • 1




            An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
            – Spratty
            yesterday










          • @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
            – mcknz
            yesterday






          • 6




            @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
            – MonkeyZeus
            yesterday















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          up vote
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          down vote










          How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?




          The best way to do this, as you mention elsewhere, is not to tell your employer about the offer. Instead, highlight your performance and accomplishments to show why you are worth a raise in salary. Show how you are currently paid less than market rate.



          You really have nothing to lose in asking for a raise, because worst case scenario the employer says no, and you simply accept the new job offer.



          By explicitly telling your employer about the offer, you risk your employment.



          As soon as you tell your employer that you have a new job offer, your employer may view and treat you differently. An employer is in the business of keeping employees. Once you raise the idea of your leaving, your employer may regard you as a risk.



          People generally don't interview with other companies because they are happy, or content -- it usually means they are interested in other things.



          Even if your employer matches the salary, your employer really doesn't know if you're going to stick around. Maybe in 6 months you'll actually decide to leave.



          It may be just a matter of time before your employer decides to replace you with someone who your employer considers to be less of a risk.



          If that happens, you'll be out of a job, and have no leverage when trying to find a new offer.






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          How do I convince my employer to match the salary of my new job offer?




          The best way to do this, as you mention elsewhere, is not to tell your employer about the offer. Instead, highlight your performance and accomplishments to show why you are worth a raise in salary. Show how you are currently paid less than market rate.



          You really have nothing to lose in asking for a raise, because worst case scenario the employer says no, and you simply accept the new job offer.



          By explicitly telling your employer about the offer, you risk your employment.



          As soon as you tell your employer that you have a new job offer, your employer may view and treat you differently. An employer is in the business of keeping employees. Once you raise the idea of your leaving, your employer may regard you as a risk.



          People generally don't interview with other companies because they are happy, or content -- it usually means they are interested in other things.



          Even if your employer matches the salary, your employer really doesn't know if you're going to stick around. Maybe in 6 months you'll actually decide to leave.



          It may be just a matter of time before your employer decides to replace you with someone who your employer considers to be less of a risk.



          If that happens, you'll be out of a job, and have no leverage when trying to find a new offer.







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          • I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
            – mega6382
            yesterday






          • 2




            @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
            – mcknz
            yesterday






          • 1




            An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
            – Spratty
            yesterday










          • @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
            – mcknz
            yesterday






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            @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
            – MonkeyZeus
            yesterday




















          • I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
            – mega6382
            yesterday






          • 2




            @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
            – mcknz
            yesterday






          • 1




            An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
            – Spratty
            yesterday










          • @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
            – mcknz
            yesterday






          • 6




            @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
            – MonkeyZeus
            yesterday


















          I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
          – mega6382
          yesterday




          I do not necessarily want to leverage my new job. And the only reason I interviewed for the job was because I was contacted by the hr on linkedin, I wasn’t actively looking for a job
          – mega6382
          yesterday




          2




          2




          @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
          – mcknz
          yesterday




          @mega6382 sure, there's absolutely nothing wrong with interviewing other places, and in fact it's good practice to do so. You might be able to leverage your new job in negotiating a raise, and have everything work out ok. I'm just trying to point out a possible downside.
          – mcknz
          yesterday




          1




          1




          An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
          – Spratty
          yesterday




          An employer is in the business of keeping employees. - In my experience (and that, much more recently, of my wife) an employer is far, far more interested in keeping costs down to boost the company's bottom line, especially if that company is publicly traded. They will not hesitate to can the most expensive employees if they can possibly get away with it so I would be inclined (these days; I was young myself once) to treat them the same way and just take the higher offer after having used it as leverage to see if I could get them to pony up a decent salary.
          – Spratty
          yesterday












          @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
          – mcknz
          yesterday




          @Spratty agreed -- they are in the business of keeping employees for the right price. Even if the OP were to get the raise, there's nothing to stop the employer from bringing in a cheaper replacement soon after.
          – mcknz
          yesterday




          6




          6




          @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
          – MonkeyZeus
          yesterday






          @mega6382 Be wary of the situation in which your employer says "I think you make some strong points, let's review this in more detail next week/month when it's closer to your raise." Would you press the issue to review it now? Because that would certainly trigger some red flags for any competent manager. If you wait until next week/month then how do you know that you will actually get the 60% which you seek? Would you settle for 28% because the other job offer has been given to someone else? Remember, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
          – MonkeyZeus
          yesterday












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          I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest, with some caveats, that you go to your boss and be completely up front about it.



          I went through basically the same thing at the start of my career. I had taken a job as an entry level programmer. I actually took a slight pay cut from the job I had as tech support. After a year, I felt I had proven my worth. My boss kept promising me a raise, but never got around to it. For what it's worth, I don't think his promises were false, he was just a really busy guy and there was a lot going on.



          My wife and I were struggling financially, though, and intended raise or not, I needed to be making more money. I started looking and got an offer for significantly more than I was making. I took it to my boss and said "Look, I don't want to leave. You gave me a shot as a new programmer and I truly appreciate it. However, my wife and I are struggling financially and I really need to be making more money. You don't have to completely match this, but if you can't do something, I'm going to have to take it even though I would much rather stay here."



          They ended up completely matching the offer and I stayed on with the company. There were no long term negative consequences and my boss even kind of apologized to me and said "I guess if I had gotten around to your raise, this wouldn't have been necessary."



          Now, for the caveats:




          1. I don't recommend this for everyone. You know what kind of
            organization you work for and what kind of person your boss is.

          2. You also know, or at least should know, how valuable you are to the company. Regardless of how good you are and how much your boss
            likes you, there's no way they will give you a $50,000 raise if you
            are only adding $40,000 worth of value to the company.

          3. Everything I told my boss was the truth, it was not some kind of negotiating trick. I do not recommend anything other than you
            telling the truth.

          4. This is a one time kind of thing, not something you can do repeatedly. You doing this one time because you feel you are
            significantly underpaid is one thing. Doing it every time you want a
            raise is going to get extremely old extremely fast.






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          • 2




            Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
            – Crowley
            yesterday






          • 3




            This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
            – Adrian McCarthy
            yesterday






          • 2




            I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
            – johncip
            9 hours ago















          up vote
          32
          down vote













          I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest, with some caveats, that you go to your boss and be completely up front about it.



          I went through basically the same thing at the start of my career. I had taken a job as an entry level programmer. I actually took a slight pay cut from the job I had as tech support. After a year, I felt I had proven my worth. My boss kept promising me a raise, but never got around to it. For what it's worth, I don't think his promises were false, he was just a really busy guy and there was a lot going on.



          My wife and I were struggling financially, though, and intended raise or not, I needed to be making more money. I started looking and got an offer for significantly more than I was making. I took it to my boss and said "Look, I don't want to leave. You gave me a shot as a new programmer and I truly appreciate it. However, my wife and I are struggling financially and I really need to be making more money. You don't have to completely match this, but if you can't do something, I'm going to have to take it even though I would much rather stay here."



          They ended up completely matching the offer and I stayed on with the company. There were no long term negative consequences and my boss even kind of apologized to me and said "I guess if I had gotten around to your raise, this wouldn't have been necessary."



          Now, for the caveats:




          1. I don't recommend this for everyone. You know what kind of
            organization you work for and what kind of person your boss is.

          2. You also know, or at least should know, how valuable you are to the company. Regardless of how good you are and how much your boss
            likes you, there's no way they will give you a $50,000 raise if you
            are only adding $40,000 worth of value to the company.

          3. Everything I told my boss was the truth, it was not some kind of negotiating trick. I do not recommend anything other than you
            telling the truth.

          4. This is a one time kind of thing, not something you can do repeatedly. You doing this one time because you feel you are
            significantly underpaid is one thing. Doing it every time you want a
            raise is going to get extremely old extremely fast.






          share|improve this answer

















          • 2




            Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
            – Crowley
            yesterday






          • 3




            This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
            – Adrian McCarthy
            yesterday






          • 2




            I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
            – johncip
            9 hours ago













          up vote
          32
          down vote










          up vote
          32
          down vote









          I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest, with some caveats, that you go to your boss and be completely up front about it.



          I went through basically the same thing at the start of my career. I had taken a job as an entry level programmer. I actually took a slight pay cut from the job I had as tech support. After a year, I felt I had proven my worth. My boss kept promising me a raise, but never got around to it. For what it's worth, I don't think his promises were false, he was just a really busy guy and there was a lot going on.



          My wife and I were struggling financially, though, and intended raise or not, I needed to be making more money. I started looking and got an offer for significantly more than I was making. I took it to my boss and said "Look, I don't want to leave. You gave me a shot as a new programmer and I truly appreciate it. However, my wife and I are struggling financially and I really need to be making more money. You don't have to completely match this, but if you can't do something, I'm going to have to take it even though I would much rather stay here."



          They ended up completely matching the offer and I stayed on with the company. There were no long term negative consequences and my boss even kind of apologized to me and said "I guess if I had gotten around to your raise, this wouldn't have been necessary."



          Now, for the caveats:




          1. I don't recommend this for everyone. You know what kind of
            organization you work for and what kind of person your boss is.

          2. You also know, or at least should know, how valuable you are to the company. Regardless of how good you are and how much your boss
            likes you, there's no way they will give you a $50,000 raise if you
            are only adding $40,000 worth of value to the company.

          3. Everything I told my boss was the truth, it was not some kind of negotiating trick. I do not recommend anything other than you
            telling the truth.

          4. This is a one time kind of thing, not something you can do repeatedly. You doing this one time because you feel you are
            significantly underpaid is one thing. Doing it every time you want a
            raise is going to get extremely old extremely fast.






          share|improve this answer












          I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest, with some caveats, that you go to your boss and be completely up front about it.



          I went through basically the same thing at the start of my career. I had taken a job as an entry level programmer. I actually took a slight pay cut from the job I had as tech support. After a year, I felt I had proven my worth. My boss kept promising me a raise, but never got around to it. For what it's worth, I don't think his promises were false, he was just a really busy guy and there was a lot going on.



          My wife and I were struggling financially, though, and intended raise or not, I needed to be making more money. I started looking and got an offer for significantly more than I was making. I took it to my boss and said "Look, I don't want to leave. You gave me a shot as a new programmer and I truly appreciate it. However, my wife and I are struggling financially and I really need to be making more money. You don't have to completely match this, but if you can't do something, I'm going to have to take it even though I would much rather stay here."



          They ended up completely matching the offer and I stayed on with the company. There were no long term negative consequences and my boss even kind of apologized to me and said "I guess if I had gotten around to your raise, this wouldn't have been necessary."



          Now, for the caveats:




          1. I don't recommend this for everyone. You know what kind of
            organization you work for and what kind of person your boss is.

          2. You also know, or at least should know, how valuable you are to the company. Regardless of how good you are and how much your boss
            likes you, there's no way they will give you a $50,000 raise if you
            are only adding $40,000 worth of value to the company.

          3. Everything I told my boss was the truth, it was not some kind of negotiating trick. I do not recommend anything other than you
            telling the truth.

          4. This is a one time kind of thing, not something you can do repeatedly. You doing this one time because you feel you are
            significantly underpaid is one thing. Doing it every time you want a
            raise is going to get extremely old extremely fast.







          share|improve this answer












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          Kevin

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          • 2




            Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
            – Crowley
            yesterday






          • 3




            This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
            – Adrian McCarthy
            yesterday






          • 2




            I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
            – johncip
            9 hours ago














          • 2




            Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
            – Crowley
            yesterday






          • 3




            This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
            – Adrian McCarthy
            yesterday






          • 2




            I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
            – johncip
            9 hours ago








          2




          2




          Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
          – Crowley
          yesterday




          Yes, be honest, be positive. If they are willingfull to discuss with you, they are worth your work. If they don't they aren't, they are not worth your time as well. Also "Give me XX or I'll leave" killer was not your case, you let them decide, your condition was "Do something and we can talk about it".
          – Crowley
          yesterday




          3




          3




          This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
          – Adrian McCarthy
          yesterday




          This is almost verbatim what happened to me. I told my manager, "I have a problem. I got an offer, I don't want to take it because I don't want to relocate, but I'd be stupid not to." At a large company with formulaic salary ranges and promotion targets, this might not work, but at a small one where managers have a lot of discretion, this can be quite reasonable.
          – Adrian McCarthy
          yesterday




          2




          2




          I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
          – johncip
          9 hours ago




          I had a similar experience to yours. Even though, the top voted answer says "never accept a counter offer," IME if you have a good relationship with your employer, then you can each discuss your needs with each other without it being antagonistic.
          – johncip
          9 hours ago










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          The answer to your dilemma is not to convince your employer that you are worth a 60% raise but rather take the job that is offering a 60% raise. Here are the reasons why:




          • You don’t know for sure if your annual raise will close the gap by 40% much less negotiating for 60%

          • Your current job will not last nor will the people working with you. To not take a job offer because you’re familiar with your current position or the people you work with isn’t a reality based or logical solution.


          If by chance, you did successfully negotiate a 60% salary raise, and your co-workers catch wind of this…expect the mood in the office and interactions with you to be adversely affected. The long-timers in your group will be pretty upset that someone with a years’ experience getting a 60% raise for doing the same job.



          Take the new job and enjoy the raise. Grow within the new position and if after a while you miss the old gang, wait for an open position, reapply, and next time do a better job negotiating your salary.






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          • You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
            – mega6382
            yesterday






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            If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
            – peterj
            yesterday










          • Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
            – mega6382
            yesterday










          • This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
            – Ian
            yesterday






          • 1




            @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
            – Aaron
            yesterday















          up vote
          13
          down vote













          The answer to your dilemma is not to convince your employer that you are worth a 60% raise but rather take the job that is offering a 60% raise. Here are the reasons why:




          • You don’t know for sure if your annual raise will close the gap by 40% much less negotiating for 60%

          • Your current job will not last nor will the people working with you. To not take a job offer because you’re familiar with your current position or the people you work with isn’t a reality based or logical solution.


          If by chance, you did successfully negotiate a 60% salary raise, and your co-workers catch wind of this…expect the mood in the office and interactions with you to be adversely affected. The long-timers in your group will be pretty upset that someone with a years’ experience getting a 60% raise for doing the same job.



          Take the new job and enjoy the raise. Grow within the new position and if after a while you miss the old gang, wait for an open position, reapply, and next time do a better job negotiating your salary.






          share|improve this answer








          New contributor




          peterj is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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          • You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
            – mega6382
            yesterday






          • 4




            If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
            – peterj
            yesterday










          • Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
            – mega6382
            yesterday










          • This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
            – Ian
            yesterday






          • 1




            @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
            – Aaron
            yesterday













          up vote
          13
          down vote










          up vote
          13
          down vote









          The answer to your dilemma is not to convince your employer that you are worth a 60% raise but rather take the job that is offering a 60% raise. Here are the reasons why:




          • You don’t know for sure if your annual raise will close the gap by 40% much less negotiating for 60%

          • Your current job will not last nor will the people working with you. To not take a job offer because you’re familiar with your current position or the people you work with isn’t a reality based or logical solution.


          If by chance, you did successfully negotiate a 60% salary raise, and your co-workers catch wind of this…expect the mood in the office and interactions with you to be adversely affected. The long-timers in your group will be pretty upset that someone with a years’ experience getting a 60% raise for doing the same job.



          Take the new job and enjoy the raise. Grow within the new position and if after a while you miss the old gang, wait for an open position, reapply, and next time do a better job negotiating your salary.






          share|improve this answer








          New contributor




          peterj is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
          Check out our Code of Conduct.









          The answer to your dilemma is not to convince your employer that you are worth a 60% raise but rather take the job that is offering a 60% raise. Here are the reasons why:




          • You don’t know for sure if your annual raise will close the gap by 40% much less negotiating for 60%

          • Your current job will not last nor will the people working with you. To not take a job offer because you’re familiar with your current position or the people you work with isn’t a reality based or logical solution.


          If by chance, you did successfully negotiate a 60% salary raise, and your co-workers catch wind of this…expect the mood in the office and interactions with you to be adversely affected. The long-timers in your group will be pretty upset that someone with a years’ experience getting a 60% raise for doing the same job.



          Take the new job and enjoy the raise. Grow within the new position and if after a while you miss the old gang, wait for an open position, reapply, and next time do a better job negotiating your salary.







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          • You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
            – mega6382
            yesterday






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            If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
            – peterj
            yesterday










          • Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
            – mega6382
            yesterday










          • This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
            – Ian
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            @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
            – Aaron
            yesterday


















          • You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
            – mega6382
            yesterday






          • 4




            If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
            – peterj
            yesterday










          • Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
            – mega6382
            yesterday










          • This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
            – Ian
            yesterday






          • 1




            @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
            – Aaron
            yesterday
















          You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
          – mega6382
          yesterday




          You have made some good points but just fyi ai have only been working for my current employer for a year, I have 6 yrs of experience in total
          – mega6382
          yesterday




          4




          4




          If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
          – peterj
          yesterday




          If you have an opportunity to update your post after your ultimate decision, that would be great. It's always interesting to read the outcome..
          – peterj
          yesterday












          Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
          – mega6382
          yesterday




          Yes, I would be sure to do so, this process will take a week at least, I am going to take heed from all the answers and will see what happens and will then post the results in a week or so.
          – mega6382
          yesterday












          This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
          – Ian
          yesterday




          This partly depends on how much the "long-timers" are being paid.
          – Ian
          yesterday




          1




          1




          @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
          – Aaron
          yesterday




          @mega6382 and peterj I can back up the whole "upset that someone with a years' experience..." thing from personal experience. At my current job, people are used to everyone sticking around for a long time, and in general new hires are college grads with little experience. So I kept being treated like a newbie, and people kept commenting about how I was "really good for someone with 1 year experience," because I had been there 1 year. I already had more than a decade elsewhere, but that was usually overlooked even by management, no matter how many reminders. Big problem until after about 2yr.
          – Aaron
          yesterday










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          "Give me what I'm asking for or I'll leave" never ends well for anyone. You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions, not your ability to make threats or leverage another offer. I think you've picked up on this based on your statement that you want this to be mutual thing - so leverage the mutual advantages. Make sure you understand and can explain why you're a good employee for your current employer before you ask for anything.



          It's certainly OK to use an external offer as a data point to determine your market value, but you need to base the actual ask for a raise on your value to your current employer - your contribution to projects, your skills, your growth, and so on.



          60% is a huge gap in compensation. What are the extenuating circumstances? Were you brought in under a more junior position? Is your current employer nonprofit or of some other status that usually indicates lower compensation? What is their structure for determining compensation and raises? You mention an upcoming raise (that you apparently already know the value of), do you have the ability to formally influence that process? Can your manager even give discretionary raises based on performance?






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          • +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
            – Morons
            yesterday






          • 10




            You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
            – rath
            yesterday






          • 3




            To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
            – mega6382
            yesterday






          • 3




            @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
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          • @aCVn yes and ok, I’ll update it right away
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            yesterday















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          "Give me what I'm asking for or I'll leave" never ends well for anyone. You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions, not your ability to make threats or leverage another offer. I think you've picked up on this based on your statement that you want this to be mutual thing - so leverage the mutual advantages. Make sure you understand and can explain why you're a good employee for your current employer before you ask for anything.



          It's certainly OK to use an external offer as a data point to determine your market value, but you need to base the actual ask for a raise on your value to your current employer - your contribution to projects, your skills, your growth, and so on.



          60% is a huge gap in compensation. What are the extenuating circumstances? Were you brought in under a more junior position? Is your current employer nonprofit or of some other status that usually indicates lower compensation? What is their structure for determining compensation and raises? You mention an upcoming raise (that you apparently already know the value of), do you have the ability to formally influence that process? Can your manager even give discretionary raises based on performance?






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          • +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
            – Morons
            yesterday






          • 10




            You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
            – rath
            yesterday






          • 3




            To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
            – mega6382
            yesterday






          • 3




            @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
            – a CVn
            yesterday










          • @aCVn yes and ok, I’ll update it right away
            – mega6382
            yesterday













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          up vote
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          "Give me what I'm asking for or I'll leave" never ends well for anyone. You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions, not your ability to make threats or leverage another offer. I think you've picked up on this based on your statement that you want this to be mutual thing - so leverage the mutual advantages. Make sure you understand and can explain why you're a good employee for your current employer before you ask for anything.



          It's certainly OK to use an external offer as a data point to determine your market value, but you need to base the actual ask for a raise on your value to your current employer - your contribution to projects, your skills, your growth, and so on.



          60% is a huge gap in compensation. What are the extenuating circumstances? Were you brought in under a more junior position? Is your current employer nonprofit or of some other status that usually indicates lower compensation? What is their structure for determining compensation and raises? You mention an upcoming raise (that you apparently already know the value of), do you have the ability to formally influence that process? Can your manager even give discretionary raises based on performance?






          share|improve this answer












          "Give me what I'm asking for or I'll leave" never ends well for anyone. You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions, not your ability to make threats or leverage another offer. I think you've picked up on this based on your statement that you want this to be mutual thing - so leverage the mutual advantages. Make sure you understand and can explain why you're a good employee for your current employer before you ask for anything.



          It's certainly OK to use an external offer as a data point to determine your market value, but you need to base the actual ask for a raise on your value to your current employer - your contribution to projects, your skills, your growth, and so on.



          60% is a huge gap in compensation. What are the extenuating circumstances? Were you brought in under a more junior position? Is your current employer nonprofit or of some other status that usually indicates lower compensation? What is their structure for determining compensation and raises? You mention an upcoming raise (that you apparently already know the value of), do you have the ability to formally influence that process? Can your manager even give discretionary raises based on performance?







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          • +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
            – Morons
            yesterday






          • 10




            You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
            – rath
            yesterday






          • 3




            To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
            – mega6382
            yesterday






          • 3




            @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
            – a CVn
            yesterday










          • @aCVn yes and ok, I’ll update it right away
            – mega6382
            yesterday


















          • +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
            – Morons
            yesterday






          • 10




            You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
            – rath
            yesterday






          • 3




            To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
            – mega6382
            yesterday






          • 3




            @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
            – a CVn
            yesterday










          • @aCVn yes and ok, I’ll update it right away
            – mega6382
            yesterday
















          +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
          – Morons
          yesterday




          +1 But to add, Don't resign until you get your bonus, As your new employer to wait. If they don't want to, ask them to match the bonus you are losing with a sign on bonus - then you can start sooner.
          – Morons
          yesterday




          10




          10




          You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
          – rath
          yesterday




          You want to work for an employer that values you and treats you well based on your merit and your contributions This is all well and good, but a job seeker who knows how to negotiate aggressively (which doesn't mean making threats, necessarily) will out-earn those who don't every time.
          – rath
          yesterday




          3




          3




          To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
          – mega6382
          yesterday




          To answer your questions, the main reason for such a gap is that I joined my current employer at the same salary as I had on the previous job, so then later we agreed that I will be given a certain raise at the end of the year and that is why I know what raise will be, but there will be a meeting before I get the raise(formality), I was planning on presenting my case in that meeting
          – mega6382
          yesterday




          3




          3




          @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
          – a CVn
          yesterday




          @mega6382 Are you saying that you've been working for your current employer for less than a year? That seems like pertinent information that really should go into the question itself, not be buried in a comment to an answer.
          – a CVn
          yesterday












          @aCVn yes and ok, I’ll update it right away
          – mega6382
          yesterday




          @aCVn yes and ok, I’ll update it right away
          – mega6382
          yesterday










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          You could present the fact that you have other offers as "market research" you have done.



          Rather than defending a pay rise with the alternative of quitting, you could approach your employer with:




          Hey, I have received another job offer with a significant pay rise. I
          do love working here, so I would rather stay. Would you be willing to
          negotiate my salary so it matches my market value?







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            You could present the fact that you have other offers as "market research" you have done.



            Rather than defending a pay rise with the alternative of quitting, you could approach your employer with:




            Hey, I have received another job offer with a significant pay rise. I
            do love working here, so I would rather stay. Would you be willing to
            negotiate my salary so it matches my market value?







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              You could present the fact that you have other offers as "market research" you have done.



              Rather than defending a pay rise with the alternative of quitting, you could approach your employer with:




              Hey, I have received another job offer with a significant pay rise. I
              do love working here, so I would rather stay. Would you be willing to
              negotiate my salary so it matches my market value?







              share|improve this answer












              You could present the fact that you have other offers as "market research" you have done.



              Rather than defending a pay rise with the alternative of quitting, you could approach your employer with:




              Hey, I have received another job offer with a significant pay rise. I
              do love working here, so I would rather stay. Would you be willing to
              negotiate my salary so it matches my market value?








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                  Market Worth



                  Phrase the conversation as more about you being paid fairly for your value in the market, instead of an ultimatum. Essentially, the offer you received, unless there are some extenuating circumstances, shows what your value in the industry is more or less. Something like



                  "Hey boss, I like working here and am happy with the company, but I do feel like I'm not being paid for my value. For example, this other company headhunted me and was willing to pay X. I truly prefer this company but I don't feel the respect is returned when I am paid 60% under what I should be."



                  Just let them know that you prefer their company, you are being underpaid for what you're worth in the market, and you're preferable outcome is for your company to make some indication that they respect you and will help close the gap.



                  Industry



                  I believe most of the other answers are from a tech industry perspective, and just wanted to point out that other industries have different standards. In finance for example it's very common for employees to receive bid-aways and the from to respond with a counter-offer. Employees who accept the counter are in general not punished afterwords, assuming they went about the process in a professional and respectful manner.






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                    Market Worth



                    Phrase the conversation as more about you being paid fairly for your value in the market, instead of an ultimatum. Essentially, the offer you received, unless there are some extenuating circumstances, shows what your value in the industry is more or less. Something like



                    "Hey boss, I like working here and am happy with the company, but I do feel like I'm not being paid for my value. For example, this other company headhunted me and was willing to pay X. I truly prefer this company but I don't feel the respect is returned when I am paid 60% under what I should be."



                    Just let them know that you prefer their company, you are being underpaid for what you're worth in the market, and you're preferable outcome is for your company to make some indication that they respect you and will help close the gap.



                    Industry



                    I believe most of the other answers are from a tech industry perspective, and just wanted to point out that other industries have different standards. In finance for example it's very common for employees to receive bid-aways and the from to respond with a counter-offer. Employees who accept the counter are in general not punished afterwords, assuming they went about the process in a professional and respectful manner.






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                      up vote
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                      Market Worth



                      Phrase the conversation as more about you being paid fairly for your value in the market, instead of an ultimatum. Essentially, the offer you received, unless there are some extenuating circumstances, shows what your value in the industry is more or less. Something like



                      "Hey boss, I like working here and am happy with the company, but I do feel like I'm not being paid for my value. For example, this other company headhunted me and was willing to pay X. I truly prefer this company but I don't feel the respect is returned when I am paid 60% under what I should be."



                      Just let them know that you prefer their company, you are being underpaid for what you're worth in the market, and you're preferable outcome is for your company to make some indication that they respect you and will help close the gap.



                      Industry



                      I believe most of the other answers are from a tech industry perspective, and just wanted to point out that other industries have different standards. In finance for example it's very common for employees to receive bid-aways and the from to respond with a counter-offer. Employees who accept the counter are in general not punished afterwords, assuming they went about the process in a professional and respectful manner.






                      share|improve this answer












                      Market Worth



                      Phrase the conversation as more about you being paid fairly for your value in the market, instead of an ultimatum. Essentially, the offer you received, unless there are some extenuating circumstances, shows what your value in the industry is more or less. Something like



                      "Hey boss, I like working here and am happy with the company, but I do feel like I'm not being paid for my value. For example, this other company headhunted me and was willing to pay X. I truly prefer this company but I don't feel the respect is returned when I am paid 60% under what I should be."



                      Just let them know that you prefer their company, you are being underpaid for what you're worth in the market, and you're preferable outcome is for your company to make some indication that they respect you and will help close the gap.



                      Industry



                      I believe most of the other answers are from a tech industry perspective, and just wanted to point out that other industries have different standards. In finance for example it's very common for employees to receive bid-aways and the from to respond with a counter-offer. Employees who accept the counter are in general not punished afterwords, assuming they went about the process in a professional and respectful manner.







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                          How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close




                          An easier option is to get raises through normal promotions/yearly reviews. If you did well, ask them if you can get a pay raise. Or ask them about a promotion to get the pay you want. I think in this situation you're not angering or threatening your employer. You're just asking and there's nothing wrong with that unless you want a huge pay hike.



                          You can present the offer document but the possible outcomes don't really look good for you. From my own experience and observation, they'll tell you either:




                          1. They'll tell you good bye in which case it's all good because you got a better offer in hand.

                          2. They'll say no, but knowing that it's possible you'll leave in the very near future, they'll look to fill your position and fast.

                          3. They'll say yes, grant you the pay raise, but they know you'll likely quit anyways - as it is historically true in most situations. So they'll look to fill your position then either fire you or bump you down to a lesser role knowing you'll quit (this is the most likely outcome).


                          With #3, it's entirely possible you'll be in a situation where you don't have a job offer and you're either stuck at the company or let go of. Basically by presenting the documentation, you'll set yourself up to a lose-lose situation. Your employer is caught off guard, and to protect their business, they need to have some assurance that a employee isn't on the verge of leaving. If you got a better job offer, actually go with the better job offer. Just tell your current employer goodbye and leave.






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                            How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close




                            An easier option is to get raises through normal promotions/yearly reviews. If you did well, ask them if you can get a pay raise. Or ask them about a promotion to get the pay you want. I think in this situation you're not angering or threatening your employer. You're just asking and there's nothing wrong with that unless you want a huge pay hike.



                            You can present the offer document but the possible outcomes don't really look good for you. From my own experience and observation, they'll tell you either:




                            1. They'll tell you good bye in which case it's all good because you got a better offer in hand.

                            2. They'll say no, but knowing that it's possible you'll leave in the very near future, they'll look to fill your position and fast.

                            3. They'll say yes, grant you the pay raise, but they know you'll likely quit anyways - as it is historically true in most situations. So they'll look to fill your position then either fire you or bump you down to a lesser role knowing you'll quit (this is the most likely outcome).


                            With #3, it's entirely possible you'll be in a situation where you don't have a job offer and you're either stuck at the company or let go of. Basically by presenting the documentation, you'll set yourself up to a lose-lose situation. Your employer is caught off guard, and to protect their business, they need to have some assurance that a employee isn't on the verge of leaving. If you got a better job offer, actually go with the better job offer. Just tell your current employer goodbye and leave.






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                              up vote
                              2
                              down vote










                              How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close




                              An easier option is to get raises through normal promotions/yearly reviews. If you did well, ask them if you can get a pay raise. Or ask them about a promotion to get the pay you want. I think in this situation you're not angering or threatening your employer. You're just asking and there's nothing wrong with that unless you want a huge pay hike.



                              You can present the offer document but the possible outcomes don't really look good for you. From my own experience and observation, they'll tell you either:




                              1. They'll tell you good bye in which case it's all good because you got a better offer in hand.

                              2. They'll say no, but knowing that it's possible you'll leave in the very near future, they'll look to fill your position and fast.

                              3. They'll say yes, grant you the pay raise, but they know you'll likely quit anyways - as it is historically true in most situations. So they'll look to fill your position then either fire you or bump you down to a lesser role knowing you'll quit (this is the most likely outcome).


                              With #3, it's entirely possible you'll be in a situation where you don't have a job offer and you're either stuck at the company or let go of. Basically by presenting the documentation, you'll set yourself up to a lose-lose situation. Your employer is caught off guard, and to protect their business, they need to have some assurance that a employee isn't on the verge of leaving. If you got a better job offer, actually go with the better job offer. Just tell your current employer goodbye and leave.






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                              How can I convince my employer to give me a bigger raise that will either match the offer or is at least close




                              An easier option is to get raises through normal promotions/yearly reviews. If you did well, ask them if you can get a pay raise. Or ask them about a promotion to get the pay you want. I think in this situation you're not angering or threatening your employer. You're just asking and there's nothing wrong with that unless you want a huge pay hike.



                              You can present the offer document but the possible outcomes don't really look good for you. From my own experience and observation, they'll tell you either:




                              1. They'll tell you good bye in which case it's all good because you got a better offer in hand.

                              2. They'll say no, but knowing that it's possible you'll leave in the very near future, they'll look to fill your position and fast.

                              3. They'll say yes, grant you the pay raise, but they know you'll likely quit anyways - as it is historically true in most situations. So they'll look to fill your position then either fire you or bump you down to a lesser role knowing you'll quit (this is the most likely outcome).


                              With #3, it's entirely possible you'll be in a situation where you don't have a job offer and you're either stuck at the company or let go of. Basically by presenting the documentation, you'll set yourself up to a lose-lose situation. Your employer is caught off guard, and to protect their business, they need to have some assurance that a employee isn't on the verge of leaving. If you got a better job offer, actually go with the better job offer. Just tell your current employer goodbye and leave.







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                                  When I was negotiating for a raise as a part time employee I found market research and asked for what I thought wast he bare minimum - underpaid doesn't' even begin to describe the amount of money I make. My boss predictably said that she didn't know how things would go so I asked her who her boss was so I could talk to them about it. After informing me that's not how things work she got me a meeting with him. A couple of months later a internal promotion opportunity arose - not something that's common in my department - and I was able to beat out a phd student who was very close to defending his thesis in no small part because of the preparation I did while making the argument that I was worth more money. I do not have a college degree.



                                  Here's a list of things that I did.




                                  1. Market research.


                                  I went to the internet to quantify how much money people in my field made. I used these figures and what I knew about wages in my area and sector to outline what I thought was the absolute minimum fair compensation for my skills. If I had done this now, I would have strongly argued that I was worth a lot more than that because frankly my pay is still a massive joke. Ask for what you're worth, not for what you'll stay for.





                                  1. Organized planning and delivery.


                                  I wrote down the important facts and figures about what I made and I planned out what I was going to say to my boss. I then took the 2 week long wait to talk to her boss - she made the mistake of giving me his name so the meeting was happening with or without her blessing, my bluntness made that pretty clear and my boss is a really good boss so she wasn't opposed to increasing my wage - I planned out what to say to him and how to go about it. The actual conversation was almost nothing like what I had planned, but I was able to guide it where I wanted it to go slowly but surely.




                                  1. Know what you're talking about.


                                  My boss's boss did not ask me what I thought he would. I'm pretty sure he didn't even ask any questions about wages. It was okay though because I genuinely knew my stuff, and I was able to guide the conversation to highlight the points I believed to be important.



                                  I know it worked because my boss's boss literally congratulated me on my promotion like two days later on my way into work. The only thing I would have changed is asking for more money being more serious about finding other job offers in my field. I did interview for another company and that went very well, but the job was further away from my field than my current one so I didn't take it.



                                  The thing about this strategy is that when it fails, you have to move on. I only took the promotion because I was got the job offer the same day of my interview for the other company. If the job offer had come any later, I would have made plans to work somewhere else. My wage was, in a word, insulting.






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                                    When I was negotiating for a raise as a part time employee I found market research and asked for what I thought wast he bare minimum - underpaid doesn't' even begin to describe the amount of money I make. My boss predictably said that she didn't know how things would go so I asked her who her boss was so I could talk to them about it. After informing me that's not how things work she got me a meeting with him. A couple of months later a internal promotion opportunity arose - not something that's common in my department - and I was able to beat out a phd student who was very close to defending his thesis in no small part because of the preparation I did while making the argument that I was worth more money. I do not have a college degree.



                                    Here's a list of things that I did.




                                    1. Market research.


                                    I went to the internet to quantify how much money people in my field made. I used these figures and what I knew about wages in my area and sector to outline what I thought was the absolute minimum fair compensation for my skills. If I had done this now, I would have strongly argued that I was worth a lot more than that because frankly my pay is still a massive joke. Ask for what you're worth, not for what you'll stay for.





                                    1. Organized planning and delivery.


                                    I wrote down the important facts and figures about what I made and I planned out what I was going to say to my boss. I then took the 2 week long wait to talk to her boss - she made the mistake of giving me his name so the meeting was happening with or without her blessing, my bluntness made that pretty clear and my boss is a really good boss so she wasn't opposed to increasing my wage - I planned out what to say to him and how to go about it. The actual conversation was almost nothing like what I had planned, but I was able to guide it where I wanted it to go slowly but surely.




                                    1. Know what you're talking about.


                                    My boss's boss did not ask me what I thought he would. I'm pretty sure he didn't even ask any questions about wages. It was okay though because I genuinely knew my stuff, and I was able to guide the conversation to highlight the points I believed to be important.



                                    I know it worked because my boss's boss literally congratulated me on my promotion like two days later on my way into work. The only thing I would have changed is asking for more money being more serious about finding other job offers in my field. I did interview for another company and that went very well, but the job was further away from my field than my current one so I didn't take it.



                                    The thing about this strategy is that when it fails, you have to move on. I only took the promotion because I was got the job offer the same day of my interview for the other company. If the job offer had come any later, I would have made plans to work somewhere else. My wage was, in a word, insulting.






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                                      When I was negotiating for a raise as a part time employee I found market research and asked for what I thought wast he bare minimum - underpaid doesn't' even begin to describe the amount of money I make. My boss predictably said that she didn't know how things would go so I asked her who her boss was so I could talk to them about it. After informing me that's not how things work she got me a meeting with him. A couple of months later a internal promotion opportunity arose - not something that's common in my department - and I was able to beat out a phd student who was very close to defending his thesis in no small part because of the preparation I did while making the argument that I was worth more money. I do not have a college degree.



                                      Here's a list of things that I did.




                                      1. Market research.


                                      I went to the internet to quantify how much money people in my field made. I used these figures and what I knew about wages in my area and sector to outline what I thought was the absolute minimum fair compensation for my skills. If I had done this now, I would have strongly argued that I was worth a lot more than that because frankly my pay is still a massive joke. Ask for what you're worth, not for what you'll stay for.





                                      1. Organized planning and delivery.


                                      I wrote down the important facts and figures about what I made and I planned out what I was going to say to my boss. I then took the 2 week long wait to talk to her boss - she made the mistake of giving me his name so the meeting was happening with or without her blessing, my bluntness made that pretty clear and my boss is a really good boss so she wasn't opposed to increasing my wage - I planned out what to say to him and how to go about it. The actual conversation was almost nothing like what I had planned, but I was able to guide it where I wanted it to go slowly but surely.




                                      1. Know what you're talking about.


                                      My boss's boss did not ask me what I thought he would. I'm pretty sure he didn't even ask any questions about wages. It was okay though because I genuinely knew my stuff, and I was able to guide the conversation to highlight the points I believed to be important.



                                      I know it worked because my boss's boss literally congratulated me on my promotion like two days later on my way into work. The only thing I would have changed is asking for more money being more serious about finding other job offers in my field. I did interview for another company and that went very well, but the job was further away from my field than my current one so I didn't take it.



                                      The thing about this strategy is that when it fails, you have to move on. I only took the promotion because I was got the job offer the same day of my interview for the other company. If the job offer had come any later, I would have made plans to work somewhere else. My wage was, in a word, insulting.






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                                      When I was negotiating for a raise as a part time employee I found market research and asked for what I thought wast he bare minimum - underpaid doesn't' even begin to describe the amount of money I make. My boss predictably said that she didn't know how things would go so I asked her who her boss was so I could talk to them about it. After informing me that's not how things work she got me a meeting with him. A couple of months later a internal promotion opportunity arose - not something that's common in my department - and I was able to beat out a phd student who was very close to defending his thesis in no small part because of the preparation I did while making the argument that I was worth more money. I do not have a college degree.



                                      Here's a list of things that I did.




                                      1. Market research.


                                      I went to the internet to quantify how much money people in my field made. I used these figures and what I knew about wages in my area and sector to outline what I thought was the absolute minimum fair compensation for my skills. If I had done this now, I would have strongly argued that I was worth a lot more than that because frankly my pay is still a massive joke. Ask for what you're worth, not for what you'll stay for.





                                      1. Organized planning and delivery.


                                      I wrote down the important facts and figures about what I made and I planned out what I was going to say to my boss. I then took the 2 week long wait to talk to her boss - she made the mistake of giving me his name so the meeting was happening with or without her blessing, my bluntness made that pretty clear and my boss is a really good boss so she wasn't opposed to increasing my wage - I planned out what to say to him and how to go about it. The actual conversation was almost nothing like what I had planned, but I was able to guide it where I wanted it to go slowly but surely.




                                      1. Know what you're talking about.


                                      My boss's boss did not ask me what I thought he would. I'm pretty sure he didn't even ask any questions about wages. It was okay though because I genuinely knew my stuff, and I was able to guide the conversation to highlight the points I believed to be important.



                                      I know it worked because my boss's boss literally congratulated me on my promotion like two days later on my way into work. The only thing I would have changed is asking for more money being more serious about finding other job offers in my field. I did interview for another company and that went very well, but the job was further away from my field than my current one so I didn't take it.



                                      The thing about this strategy is that when it fails, you have to move on. I only took the promotion because I was got the job offer the same day of my interview for the other company. If the job offer had come any later, I would have made plans to work somewhere else. My wage was, in a word, insulting.







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                                          It's very tough to ask for a 40% increase because if you're that underpaid, your boss is unlikely to change tune now. Maybe they can't afford to pay you that much. Still, it happens.



                                          Here's how I would do it:



                                          Step 0a: Get Over It



                                          Negotiating your salary is inherently adversarial. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean you won't be friendly or polite with your boss, or that he won't be the same with you after this is done.



                                          That said, do not confuse being friendly with being your friend. This is a business transaction, and this is why it's inherently adversarial.



                                          You may smile and laugh and reminesce about the old times, but behind that facade you must remember that he's trying to cheat you out of tens of thousands of $currency. Don't believe me? How many years do you plan to stay there? Multiply that by the 40% difference - that's the amount you stand to lose.



                                          Step 0b: Plan



                                          Figure out what would make you happy. Do you want the full 40% increase? Would another perk make up for some of it? A promotion, perhaps?



                                          Write this plan down and make sure that, if you do get some alternatives, you're still happy and won't be resentful at letting an opportunity go by.



                                          Remember, the final offer must be fair to you, not your current boss.



                                          Step 1: Submit your Notice



                                          This tells your boss you're serious and secures the offer you currently have. This is your position of strength from which your negotiation will happen.



                                          Step 2: Negotiate



                                          Tell him you really want to keep working here but are not happy leaving that much money on the table. This is pretty much what you wrote above.



                                          I don't like to reveal my cards when negotiating and I wouldn't reveal the exact number. I would mention it's a high percentage and if a counter offer happens, I'd keep looking disappointed until I got what I wanted - or more.



                                          But that's just me. If you're happy getting that 40%, or close to it (remember step 0b?) then you should go for it. If they can't give you the full amount, start asking for things that would make it up for you, those things that you thought about before.



                                          And if it goes wrong, you can always walk away to your cozy new job.






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                                          • Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
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                                            @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday












                                          • @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday










                                          • No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                            – mega6382
                                            yesterday






                                          • 1




                                            @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday

















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                                          It's very tough to ask for a 40% increase because if you're that underpaid, your boss is unlikely to change tune now. Maybe they can't afford to pay you that much. Still, it happens.



                                          Here's how I would do it:



                                          Step 0a: Get Over It



                                          Negotiating your salary is inherently adversarial. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean you won't be friendly or polite with your boss, or that he won't be the same with you after this is done.



                                          That said, do not confuse being friendly with being your friend. This is a business transaction, and this is why it's inherently adversarial.



                                          You may smile and laugh and reminesce about the old times, but behind that facade you must remember that he's trying to cheat you out of tens of thousands of $currency. Don't believe me? How many years do you plan to stay there? Multiply that by the 40% difference - that's the amount you stand to lose.



                                          Step 0b: Plan



                                          Figure out what would make you happy. Do you want the full 40% increase? Would another perk make up for some of it? A promotion, perhaps?



                                          Write this plan down and make sure that, if you do get some alternatives, you're still happy and won't be resentful at letting an opportunity go by.



                                          Remember, the final offer must be fair to you, not your current boss.



                                          Step 1: Submit your Notice



                                          This tells your boss you're serious and secures the offer you currently have. This is your position of strength from which your negotiation will happen.



                                          Step 2: Negotiate



                                          Tell him you really want to keep working here but are not happy leaving that much money on the table. This is pretty much what you wrote above.



                                          I don't like to reveal my cards when negotiating and I wouldn't reveal the exact number. I would mention it's a high percentage and if a counter offer happens, I'd keep looking disappointed until I got what I wanted - or more.



                                          But that's just me. If you're happy getting that 40%, or close to it (remember step 0b?) then you should go for it. If they can't give you the full amount, start asking for things that would make it up for you, those things that you thought about before.



                                          And if it goes wrong, you can always walk away to your cozy new job.






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                                          • Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                            – mega6382
                                            yesterday






                                          • 1




                                            @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday












                                          • @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday










                                          • No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                            – mega6382
                                            yesterday






                                          • 1




                                            @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday















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                                          It's very tough to ask for a 40% increase because if you're that underpaid, your boss is unlikely to change tune now. Maybe they can't afford to pay you that much. Still, it happens.



                                          Here's how I would do it:



                                          Step 0a: Get Over It



                                          Negotiating your salary is inherently adversarial. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean you won't be friendly or polite with your boss, or that he won't be the same with you after this is done.



                                          That said, do not confuse being friendly with being your friend. This is a business transaction, and this is why it's inherently adversarial.



                                          You may smile and laugh and reminesce about the old times, but behind that facade you must remember that he's trying to cheat you out of tens of thousands of $currency. Don't believe me? How many years do you plan to stay there? Multiply that by the 40% difference - that's the amount you stand to lose.



                                          Step 0b: Plan



                                          Figure out what would make you happy. Do you want the full 40% increase? Would another perk make up for some of it? A promotion, perhaps?



                                          Write this plan down and make sure that, if you do get some alternatives, you're still happy and won't be resentful at letting an opportunity go by.



                                          Remember, the final offer must be fair to you, not your current boss.



                                          Step 1: Submit your Notice



                                          This tells your boss you're serious and secures the offer you currently have. This is your position of strength from which your negotiation will happen.



                                          Step 2: Negotiate



                                          Tell him you really want to keep working here but are not happy leaving that much money on the table. This is pretty much what you wrote above.



                                          I don't like to reveal my cards when negotiating and I wouldn't reveal the exact number. I would mention it's a high percentage and if a counter offer happens, I'd keep looking disappointed until I got what I wanted - or more.



                                          But that's just me. If you're happy getting that 40%, or close to it (remember step 0b?) then you should go for it. If they can't give you the full amount, start asking for things that would make it up for you, those things that you thought about before.



                                          And if it goes wrong, you can always walk away to your cozy new job.






                                          share|improve this answer












                                          It's very tough to ask for a 40% increase because if you're that underpaid, your boss is unlikely to change tune now. Maybe they can't afford to pay you that much. Still, it happens.



                                          Here's how I would do it:



                                          Step 0a: Get Over It



                                          Negotiating your salary is inherently adversarial. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean you won't be friendly or polite with your boss, or that he won't be the same with you after this is done.



                                          That said, do not confuse being friendly with being your friend. This is a business transaction, and this is why it's inherently adversarial.



                                          You may smile and laugh and reminesce about the old times, but behind that facade you must remember that he's trying to cheat you out of tens of thousands of $currency. Don't believe me? How many years do you plan to stay there? Multiply that by the 40% difference - that's the amount you stand to lose.



                                          Step 0b: Plan



                                          Figure out what would make you happy. Do you want the full 40% increase? Would another perk make up for some of it? A promotion, perhaps?



                                          Write this plan down and make sure that, if you do get some alternatives, you're still happy and won't be resentful at letting an opportunity go by.



                                          Remember, the final offer must be fair to you, not your current boss.



                                          Step 1: Submit your Notice



                                          This tells your boss you're serious and secures the offer you currently have. This is your position of strength from which your negotiation will happen.



                                          Step 2: Negotiate



                                          Tell him you really want to keep working here but are not happy leaving that much money on the table. This is pretty much what you wrote above.



                                          I don't like to reveal my cards when negotiating and I wouldn't reveal the exact number. I would mention it's a high percentage and if a counter offer happens, I'd keep looking disappointed until I got what I wanted - or more.



                                          But that's just me. If you're happy getting that 40%, or close to it (remember step 0b?) then you should go for it. If they can't give you the full amount, start asking for things that would make it up for you, those things that you thought about before.



                                          And if it goes wrong, you can always walk away to your cozy new job.







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                                          rath

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                                          • Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                            – mega6382
                                            yesterday






                                          • 1




                                            @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday












                                          • @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday










                                          • No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                            – mega6382
                                            yesterday






                                          • 1




                                            @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday




















                                          • Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                            – mega6382
                                            yesterday






                                          • 1




                                            @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday












                                          • @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday










                                          • No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                            – mega6382
                                            yesterday






                                          • 1




                                            @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
                                            – rath
                                            yesterday


















                                          Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                          – mega6382
                                          yesterday




                                          Well you make some good points but if I was to submit my notice that will alienate any goodwill that my current employer has for me, which will cause further damage as they will soon start looking for my replacement and might behave differently toward me and will think of me as a flight risk
                                          – mega6382
                                          yesterday




                                          1




                                          1




                                          @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                          – rath
                                          yesterday






                                          @mega6382 I commend your loyalty, but I will highlight that it's not reciprocal. Do you think your boss will think about alienating you if he has to replace you? In your comments to other answers you reveal a subservient attitude that will only make your boss respect you less. Indeed, he respects you about 40% less than your other colleagues, as noted by yourself.
                                          – rath
                                          yesterday














                                          @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                          – rath
                                          yesterday




                                          @mega6382 Frankly, he's taking advantage of you and you still want to remain in his good books. Maybe there's something in your relationship I don't understand, but from what you have chosen to reveal - what you thought was pertinent to this discussion - it seems that this is not a healthy, balanced relationship; because your boss lacks respect for you.
                                          – rath
                                          yesterday












                                          No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                          – mega6382
                                          yesterday




                                          No, It was actually my fault for joining this company on the same salary as my previous job, I was just a bit desperate and needed a new job fast, that is why I didn’t even bother negotiating the salary, but I do know that with a little persuasion I can convince my employer to give me a matching/ or close enough raise, and that is why I don’t necessarily want to leverage the new offer and would like to find a good way to approach this
                                          – mega6382
                                          yesterday




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                                          @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
                                          – rath
                                          yesterday






                                          @NathanCooper The plan is submit your notice and hope for a counter-offer because I honestly believe accepting the new job is the best course of action. This is perfectly acceptable and professional, and part of how you interact with humans. I provided no guidance on how to handle the meeting and what to say - that's up to the OP. Just to keep in mind behind the kind words. You can be perfectly polite and assertive at the same time.
                                          – rath
                                          yesterday












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