US citizen previously refused entry into the UK and been refused for visa. What to do now?
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I'm so highly confused but maybe you guys can help me.
My girlfriend lives in Bristol, United Kingdom, shes a British Citizen while I'm American. I'm not very good at explaining myself so beware but I'm desperate and out of options here.
I travel to see her for the first time Jan. 2017, I went to Gatwick London and the border officers there let me through with flying colors. I travel again to see her April 2017 now here are the details you need to know before going further:
- I quit my job that same month.
- I bought a round trip ticket to stay there for about 3 months. I did know there was a limit with just a passport. I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay.
- I really didn't have enough funds that was require for me to stay for 3 months.
When I got to the border officer they grilled me so bad it trigger my anxiety and I just knew they wasn't going to let me through because the amount of questions they were asking me...
After hours of waiting, they finally made a decision of not allowing me to enter. They said they couldn't allow me to enter because I didn't have a visa and low on funds.
Devastated, they allowed me to stay with my lover for 72 hours for it was time for me to go back to America.
Once again, not giving up I attempt to see her again but was stop at Ireland (my layover flight was there). No knowledge of knowing they check passports for England I got stop and grilled again, they asked me why I was refused entry in the UK, I told them the truth and let me add - I was prepared for this trip, I shorten my stay for two weeks and had enough money to last for my stay.
They told me I can't enter their country for my flight because I need to go straight to UK or have a visa to enter.
So, after getting deported and coming back to America once again, I decided to apply for a visa. I had all the supporting documents and they still refuse me.
They explain they refuse my visa because they felt like I'm trying to stay in their country "illegally" how can they make such a judgement when I was once there in Jan. 2016 and left the UK within two weeks.
So now I'm here, running out of options - I have no idea what to do next. Do anybody have any clue what I should do???
Here's pictures of the stamps on my passport:
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I'm so highly confused but maybe you guys can help me.
My girlfriend lives in Bristol, United Kingdom, shes a British Citizen while I'm American. I'm not very good at explaining myself so beware but I'm desperate and out of options here.
I travel to see her for the first time Jan. 2017, I went to Gatwick London and the border officers there let me through with flying colors. I travel again to see her April 2017 now here are the details you need to know before going further:
- I quit my job that same month.
- I bought a round trip ticket to stay there for about 3 months. I did know there was a limit with just a passport. I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay.
- I really didn't have enough funds that was require for me to stay for 3 months.
When I got to the border officer they grilled me so bad it trigger my anxiety and I just knew they wasn't going to let me through because the amount of questions they were asking me...
After hours of waiting, they finally made a decision of not allowing me to enter. They said they couldn't allow me to enter because I didn't have a visa and low on funds.
Devastated, they allowed me to stay with my lover for 72 hours for it was time for me to go back to America.
Once again, not giving up I attempt to see her again but was stop at Ireland (my layover flight was there). No knowledge of knowing they check passports for England I got stop and grilled again, they asked me why I was refused entry in the UK, I told them the truth and let me add - I was prepared for this trip, I shorten my stay for two weeks and had enough money to last for my stay.
They told me I can't enter their country for my flight because I need to go straight to UK or have a visa to enter.
So, after getting deported and coming back to America once again, I decided to apply for a visa. I had all the supporting documents and they still refuse me.
They explain they refuse my visa because they felt like I'm trying to stay in their country "illegally" how can they make such a judgement when I was once there in Jan. 2016 and left the UK within two weeks.
So now I'm here, running out of options - I have no idea what to do next. Do anybody have any clue what I should do???
Here's pictures of the stamps on my passport:
visas customs-and-immigration borders
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"I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
– phoog
8 hours ago
5
I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
– phoog
8 hours ago
3
If you add an image of your refusal letter with the identifying information blacked out, you may get a more helpful answer.
– phoog
8 hours ago
2
I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
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@phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
– JonathanReez♦
4 hours ago
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I'm so highly confused but maybe you guys can help me.
My girlfriend lives in Bristol, United Kingdom, shes a British Citizen while I'm American. I'm not very good at explaining myself so beware but I'm desperate and out of options here.
I travel to see her for the first time Jan. 2017, I went to Gatwick London and the border officers there let me through with flying colors. I travel again to see her April 2017 now here are the details you need to know before going further:
- I quit my job that same month.
- I bought a round trip ticket to stay there for about 3 months. I did know there was a limit with just a passport. I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay.
- I really didn't have enough funds that was require for me to stay for 3 months.
When I got to the border officer they grilled me so bad it trigger my anxiety and I just knew they wasn't going to let me through because the amount of questions they were asking me...
After hours of waiting, they finally made a decision of not allowing me to enter. They said they couldn't allow me to enter because I didn't have a visa and low on funds.
Devastated, they allowed me to stay with my lover for 72 hours for it was time for me to go back to America.
Once again, not giving up I attempt to see her again but was stop at Ireland (my layover flight was there). No knowledge of knowing they check passports for England I got stop and grilled again, they asked me why I was refused entry in the UK, I told them the truth and let me add - I was prepared for this trip, I shorten my stay for two weeks and had enough money to last for my stay.
They told me I can't enter their country for my flight because I need to go straight to UK or have a visa to enter.
So, after getting deported and coming back to America once again, I decided to apply for a visa. I had all the supporting documents and they still refuse me.
They explain they refuse my visa because they felt like I'm trying to stay in their country "illegally" how can they make such a judgement when I was once there in Jan. 2016 and left the UK within two weeks.
So now I'm here, running out of options - I have no idea what to do next. Do anybody have any clue what I should do???
Here's pictures of the stamps on my passport:
visas customs-and-immigration borders
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I'm so highly confused but maybe you guys can help me.
My girlfriend lives in Bristol, United Kingdom, shes a British Citizen while I'm American. I'm not very good at explaining myself so beware but I'm desperate and out of options here.
I travel to see her for the first time Jan. 2017, I went to Gatwick London and the border officers there let me through with flying colors. I travel again to see her April 2017 now here are the details you need to know before going further:
- I quit my job that same month.
- I bought a round trip ticket to stay there for about 3 months. I did know there was a limit with just a passport. I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay.
- I really didn't have enough funds that was require for me to stay for 3 months.
When I got to the border officer they grilled me so bad it trigger my anxiety and I just knew they wasn't going to let me through because the amount of questions they were asking me...
After hours of waiting, they finally made a decision of not allowing me to enter. They said they couldn't allow me to enter because I didn't have a visa and low on funds.
Devastated, they allowed me to stay with my lover for 72 hours for it was time for me to go back to America.
Once again, not giving up I attempt to see her again but was stop at Ireland (my layover flight was there). No knowledge of knowing they check passports for England I got stop and grilled again, they asked me why I was refused entry in the UK, I told them the truth and let me add - I was prepared for this trip, I shorten my stay for two weeks and had enough money to last for my stay.
They told me I can't enter their country for my flight because I need to go straight to UK or have a visa to enter.
So, after getting deported and coming back to America once again, I decided to apply for a visa. I had all the supporting documents and they still refuse me.
They explain they refuse my visa because they felt like I'm trying to stay in their country "illegally" how can they make such a judgement when I was once there in Jan. 2016 and left the UK within two weeks.
So now I'm here, running out of options - I have no idea what to do next. Do anybody have any clue what I should do???
Here's pictures of the stamps on my passport:
visas customs-and-immigration borders
visas customs-and-immigration borders
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"I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
– phoog
8 hours ago
5
I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
– phoog
8 hours ago
3
If you add an image of your refusal letter with the identifying information blacked out, you may get a more helpful answer.
– phoog
8 hours ago
2
I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
1
@phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
– JonathanReez♦
4 hours ago
|
show 7 more comments
5
"I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
– phoog
8 hours ago
5
I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
– phoog
8 hours ago
3
If you add an image of your refusal letter with the identifying information blacked out, you may get a more helpful answer.
– phoog
8 hours ago
2
I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
1
@phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
– JonathanReez♦
4 hours ago
5
5
"I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
– phoog
8 hours ago
"I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
– phoog
8 hours ago
5
5
I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
– phoog
8 hours ago
I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
– phoog
8 hours ago
3
3
If you add an image of your refusal letter with the identifying information blacked out, you may get a more helpful answer.
– phoog
8 hours ago
If you add an image of your refusal letter with the identifying information blacked out, you may get a more helpful answer.
– phoog
8 hours ago
2
2
I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
1
1
@phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
– JonathanReez♦
4 hours ago
@phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
– JonathanReez♦
4 hours ago
|
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Do anybody have any clue what I should do???
Seek help from an immigration lawyer. 2 entry refusals and 1 visa refusal are not helpful at all. I don't think you can solve this yourself now.
If you (or i) can sound desperate to ordinary folks like on this forum, we definitely will sound desperate to the immigration officers and a visa refusal for a non visa national is not really a small deal.
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+1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
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At this point, stop digging. As Hanky Panky notes, you're looking increasingly desperate to get into the UK (buying multiple sets of international flights when you're unemployed and don't have sufficient funds to support yourself looks inherently suspicious), and you're producing an immigration record that will hurt your chances to get into the UK well into the future.
Personally, I'd wait. Arrange for your girlfriend to visit you in the US. We'd need to see the visa refusal letter to know why exactly you were refused, but in general, work on building up a stable life in the US so that it's clear you'll return home after your visit. A stable job and suitable savings so you can afford your trip and have plenty left over for after you get back will go a long way. Limit your stay to a shorter period of time, one consistent with a typical vacation from work. Travel elsewhere and return on time to demonstrate a travel history. Allow some time to pass so you do not appear fixated on entering the UK. From there, you could apply for entry clearance again, or hire a UK immigration lawyer to help prepare your application to give you the best chance of success.
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2 Answers
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active
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active
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up vote
18
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Do anybody have any clue what I should do???
Seek help from an immigration lawyer. 2 entry refusals and 1 visa refusal are not helpful at all. I don't think you can solve this yourself now.
If you (or i) can sound desperate to ordinary folks like on this forum, we definitely will sound desperate to the immigration officers and a visa refusal for a non visa national is not really a small deal.
2
+1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
18
down vote
Do anybody have any clue what I should do???
Seek help from an immigration lawyer. 2 entry refusals and 1 visa refusal are not helpful at all. I don't think you can solve this yourself now.
If you (or i) can sound desperate to ordinary folks like on this forum, we definitely will sound desperate to the immigration officers and a visa refusal for a non visa national is not really a small deal.
2
+1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
18
down vote
up vote
18
down vote
Do anybody have any clue what I should do???
Seek help from an immigration lawyer. 2 entry refusals and 1 visa refusal are not helpful at all. I don't think you can solve this yourself now.
If you (or i) can sound desperate to ordinary folks like on this forum, we definitely will sound desperate to the immigration officers and a visa refusal for a non visa national is not really a small deal.
Do anybody have any clue what I should do???
Seek help from an immigration lawyer. 2 entry refusals and 1 visa refusal are not helpful at all. I don't think you can solve this yourself now.
If you (or i) can sound desperate to ordinary folks like on this forum, we definitely will sound desperate to the immigration officers and a visa refusal for a non visa national is not really a small deal.
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+1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
add a comment |
2
+1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
2
2
+1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
+1 That is the only sensible advice. I don't see how he is getting into the UK without some very competent respected immigration attorney doing the heavy lifting for him.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
15
down vote
At this point, stop digging. As Hanky Panky notes, you're looking increasingly desperate to get into the UK (buying multiple sets of international flights when you're unemployed and don't have sufficient funds to support yourself looks inherently suspicious), and you're producing an immigration record that will hurt your chances to get into the UK well into the future.
Personally, I'd wait. Arrange for your girlfriend to visit you in the US. We'd need to see the visa refusal letter to know why exactly you were refused, but in general, work on building up a stable life in the US so that it's clear you'll return home after your visit. A stable job and suitable savings so you can afford your trip and have plenty left over for after you get back will go a long way. Limit your stay to a shorter period of time, one consistent with a typical vacation from work. Travel elsewhere and return on time to demonstrate a travel history. Allow some time to pass so you do not appear fixated on entering the UK. From there, you could apply for entry clearance again, or hire a UK immigration lawyer to help prepare your application to give you the best chance of success.
add a comment |
up vote
15
down vote
At this point, stop digging. As Hanky Panky notes, you're looking increasingly desperate to get into the UK (buying multiple sets of international flights when you're unemployed and don't have sufficient funds to support yourself looks inherently suspicious), and you're producing an immigration record that will hurt your chances to get into the UK well into the future.
Personally, I'd wait. Arrange for your girlfriend to visit you in the US. We'd need to see the visa refusal letter to know why exactly you were refused, but in general, work on building up a stable life in the US so that it's clear you'll return home after your visit. A stable job and suitable savings so you can afford your trip and have plenty left over for after you get back will go a long way. Limit your stay to a shorter period of time, one consistent with a typical vacation from work. Travel elsewhere and return on time to demonstrate a travel history. Allow some time to pass so you do not appear fixated on entering the UK. From there, you could apply for entry clearance again, or hire a UK immigration lawyer to help prepare your application to give you the best chance of success.
add a comment |
up vote
15
down vote
up vote
15
down vote
At this point, stop digging. As Hanky Panky notes, you're looking increasingly desperate to get into the UK (buying multiple sets of international flights when you're unemployed and don't have sufficient funds to support yourself looks inherently suspicious), and you're producing an immigration record that will hurt your chances to get into the UK well into the future.
Personally, I'd wait. Arrange for your girlfriend to visit you in the US. We'd need to see the visa refusal letter to know why exactly you were refused, but in general, work on building up a stable life in the US so that it's clear you'll return home after your visit. A stable job and suitable savings so you can afford your trip and have plenty left over for after you get back will go a long way. Limit your stay to a shorter period of time, one consistent with a typical vacation from work. Travel elsewhere and return on time to demonstrate a travel history. Allow some time to pass so you do not appear fixated on entering the UK. From there, you could apply for entry clearance again, or hire a UK immigration lawyer to help prepare your application to give you the best chance of success.
At this point, stop digging. As Hanky Panky notes, you're looking increasingly desperate to get into the UK (buying multiple sets of international flights when you're unemployed and don't have sufficient funds to support yourself looks inherently suspicious), and you're producing an immigration record that will hurt your chances to get into the UK well into the future.
Personally, I'd wait. Arrange for your girlfriend to visit you in the US. We'd need to see the visa refusal letter to know why exactly you were refused, but in general, work on building up a stable life in the US so that it's clear you'll return home after your visit. A stable job and suitable savings so you can afford your trip and have plenty left over for after you get back will go a long way. Limit your stay to a shorter period of time, one consistent with a typical vacation from work. Travel elsewhere and return on time to demonstrate a travel history. Allow some time to pass so you do not appear fixated on entering the UK. From there, you could apply for entry clearance again, or hire a UK immigration lawyer to help prepare your application to give you the best chance of success.
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"I didn't know I need a visa for the time I was trying to stay": you didn't need a visa. As a US citizen, you can visit the UK for up to six months. No visa is necessary.
– phoog
8 hours ago
5
I suppose the Irish officer was unable to admit you without a visa because of your plan to go to the UK along with your prior refusal of entry. The UK officer probably told you something that you misunderstood. US citizens do need visas for some purposes of travel, so if they decide that you're not a "genuine visitor" they might want a visa for the purpose they think you're pursuing. If you look at the stamp from your first visit you should see that you were given "leave to enter for six months," and you didn't have a visa then.
– phoog
8 hours ago
3
If you add an image of your refusal letter with the identifying information blacked out, you may get a more helpful answer.
– phoog
8 hours ago
2
I think for now the visiting must be the other way around i.e. your girlfriend/lover can be coming over to the USA instead. You seem to be taking the whole episode very lightly, which is both a good and a bad thing.
– Honorary World Citizen
6 hours ago
1
@phoog I am 99% confident it was a refusal based on 4.2 (a) and (c), for which we have a fantastic overview question.
– JonathanReez♦
4 hours ago