Hell Knight Signifier Double Dip?
I was looking into Hell Knight Signifier builds and I found a reference to something called the "Divine Double-Dip", where (for example) you would take 3 levels of Oracle for a Mystery revelation, and 7 levels of cleric for domain casting. Which would result in, at lvl 20, 13th lvl Oracle casting and 17th level Cleric casting on top of everything the Signifier gives you.
Does "+1 level of spellcasting class" really work like that? That seems like an oddly OP oversight.
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I was looking into Hell Knight Signifier builds and I found a reference to something called the "Divine Double-Dip", where (for example) you would take 3 levels of Oracle for a Mystery revelation, and 7 levels of cleric for domain casting. Which would result in, at lvl 20, 13th lvl Oracle casting and 17th level Cleric casting on top of everything the Signifier gives you.
Does "+1 level of spellcasting class" really work like that? That seems like an oddly OP oversight.
pathfinder prestige-class
edited 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
asked 2 hours ago
Aria Nicholas
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Could you link your source?
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
Added source link to original question :)
– Aria Nicholas
2 hours ago
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I was looking into Hell Knight Signifier builds and I found a reference to something called the "Divine Double-Dip", where (for example) you would take 3 levels of Oracle for a Mystery revelation, and 7 levels of cleric for domain casting. Which would result in, at lvl 20, 13th lvl Oracle casting and 17th level Cleric casting on top of everything the Signifier gives you.
Does "+1 level of spellcasting class" really work like that? That seems like an oddly OP oversight.
pathfinder prestige-class
edited 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
asked 2 hours ago
Aria Nicholas
1296
I was looking into Hell Knight Signifier builds and I found a reference to something called the "Divine Double-Dip", where (for example) you would take 3 levels of Oracle for a Mystery revelation, and 7 levels of cleric for domain casting. Which would result in, at lvl 20, 13th lvl Oracle casting and 17th level Cleric casting on top of everything the Signifier gives you.
Does "+1 level of spellcasting class" really work like that? That seems like an oddly OP oversight.
pathfinder prestige-class
pathfinder prestige-class
edited 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
asked 2 hours ago
Aria Nicholas
1296
edited 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
asked 2 hours ago
Aria Nicholas
1296
edited 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
edited 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
edited 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
42.2k14133194
asked 2 hours ago
Aria Nicholas
1296
asked 2 hours ago
Aria Nicholas
1296
asked 2 hours ago
Aria Nicholas
1296
1296
Could you link your source?
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
Added source link to original question :)
– Aria Nicholas
2 hours ago
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Could you link your source?
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
Added source link to original question :)
– Aria Nicholas
2 hours ago
Could you link your source?
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
Could you link your source?
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
Added source link to original question :)
– Aria Nicholas
2 hours ago
Added source link to original question :)
– Aria Nicholas
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It does not boost your spellcaster level for both classes.
Re-read the linked reddit post. They're specifically referring to the Catechism ability, which lets your Hellknight Signifier levels stack for purposes of special abilities, such as cleric domain powers or oracle mysteries.
An oracle 3 / cleric 7 / Hellknight Signifier 10 would effectively be level 13 for all of their level-dependent oracle mystery effects and level 17 for all of their level 17 cleric domain powers, but they would have to choose between casting spells as an oracle 13 / cleric 7 or as an oracle 3 / cleric 17 (recommend over the 13/7).
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Or some other middle ground of Caster Level, I think. I can't find the text on it but recall picking CL increase on a per-Prestige-level basis.
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
1
@Ifusaso Yeah, I think you're right. That's probably strictly worse than putting all the CL increases into the same class, though.
– Oblivious Sage
2 hours ago
2
@Ifusaso Some prestige classes indicate that you can choose your progression on a per-level basis, and some don’t. Even among those that do, some limit you to a spellcasting class you had prior to actually becoming that prestige class, while others allow other classes introduced in between the prestige class levels to be selected. And, of course, since the spellcasting boiler plate was almost-certainly copied-and-pasted for each class, it’s extremely unclear when—if ever—those distinctions were even intended. In any event, the point is usually moot because it’s rarely a good idea.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
On which point, I would recommend updating this answer to point out that a 3rd-level oracle/7th-level cleric should be progressing cleric spellcasting. If one wanted oracle spellcasting instead (which is not really a great idea since cleric spellcasting is superior), instead being a 9th-level oracle/1st-level cleric makes vastly more sense. Actually, for that matter, a 1st-level oracle/9th-level cleric is better than the 3/7 version—they only did that for the sake of a second revelation, which might be worth it at 20th, but certainly not before then.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
(The point is, you want to maximize your spellcasting from one class, rather than be half-decent at both—being half-decent at both means you aren’t actually good at anything.)
– KRyan
1 hour ago
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It does not boost your spellcaster level for both classes.
Re-read the linked reddit post. They're specifically referring to the Catechism ability, which lets your Hellknight Signifier levels stack for purposes of special abilities, such as cleric domain powers or oracle mysteries.
An oracle 3 / cleric 7 / Hellknight Signifier 10 would effectively be level 13 for all of their level-dependent oracle mystery effects and level 17 for all of their level 17 cleric domain powers, but they would have to choose between casting spells as an oracle 13 / cleric 7 or as an oracle 3 / cleric 17 (recommend over the 13/7).
answered 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
Or some other middle ground of Caster Level, I think. I can't find the text on it but recall picking CL increase on a per-Prestige-level basis.
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
1
@Ifusaso Yeah, I think you're right. That's probably strictly worse than putting all the CL increases into the same class, though.
– Oblivious Sage
2 hours ago
2
@Ifusaso Some prestige classes indicate that you can choose your progression on a per-level basis, and some don’t. Even among those that do, some limit you to a spellcasting class you had prior to actually becoming that prestige class, while others allow other classes introduced in between the prestige class levels to be selected. And, of course, since the spellcasting boiler plate was almost-certainly copied-and-pasted for each class, it’s extremely unclear when—if ever—those distinctions were even intended. In any event, the point is usually moot because it’s rarely a good idea.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
On which point, I would recommend updating this answer to point out that a 3rd-level oracle/7th-level cleric should be progressing cleric spellcasting. If one wanted oracle spellcasting instead (which is not really a great idea since cleric spellcasting is superior), instead being a 9th-level oracle/1st-level cleric makes vastly more sense. Actually, for that matter, a 1st-level oracle/9th-level cleric is better than the 3/7 version—they only did that for the sake of a second revelation, which might be worth it at 20th, but certainly not before then.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
(The point is, you want to maximize your spellcasting from one class, rather than be half-decent at both—being half-decent at both means you aren’t actually good at anything.)
– KRyan
1 hour ago
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It does not boost your spellcaster level for both classes.
Re-read the linked reddit post. They're specifically referring to the Catechism ability, which lets your Hellknight Signifier levels stack for purposes of special abilities, such as cleric domain powers or oracle mysteries.
An oracle 3 / cleric 7 / Hellknight Signifier 10 would effectively be level 13 for all of their level-dependent oracle mystery effects and level 17 for all of their level 17 cleric domain powers, but they would have to choose between casting spells as an oracle 13 / cleric 7 or as an oracle 3 / cleric 17 (recommend over the 13/7).
answered 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
Or some other middle ground of Caster Level, I think. I can't find the text on it but recall picking CL increase on a per-Prestige-level basis.
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
1
@Ifusaso Yeah, I think you're right. That's probably strictly worse than putting all the CL increases into the same class, though.
– Oblivious Sage
2 hours ago
2
@Ifusaso Some prestige classes indicate that you can choose your progression on a per-level basis, and some don’t. Even among those that do, some limit you to a spellcasting class you had prior to actually becoming that prestige class, while others allow other classes introduced in between the prestige class levels to be selected. And, of course, since the spellcasting boiler plate was almost-certainly copied-and-pasted for each class, it’s extremely unclear when—if ever—those distinctions were even intended. In any event, the point is usually moot because it’s rarely a good idea.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
On which point, I would recommend updating this answer to point out that a 3rd-level oracle/7th-level cleric should be progressing cleric spellcasting. If one wanted oracle spellcasting instead (which is not really a great idea since cleric spellcasting is superior), instead being a 9th-level oracle/1st-level cleric makes vastly more sense. Actually, for that matter, a 1st-level oracle/9th-level cleric is better than the 3/7 version—they only did that for the sake of a second revelation, which might be worth it at 20th, but certainly not before then.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
(The point is, you want to maximize your spellcasting from one class, rather than be half-decent at both—being half-decent at both means you aren’t actually good at anything.)
– KRyan
1 hour ago
add a comment |
It does not boost your spellcaster level for both classes.
Re-read the linked reddit post. They're specifically referring to the Catechism ability, which lets your Hellknight Signifier levels stack for purposes of special abilities, such as cleric domain powers or oracle mysteries.
An oracle 3 / cleric 7 / Hellknight Signifier 10 would effectively be level 13 for all of their level-dependent oracle mystery effects and level 17 for all of their level 17 cleric domain powers, but they would have to choose between casting spells as an oracle 13 / cleric 7 or as an oracle 3 / cleric 17 (recommend over the 13/7).
answered 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
It does not boost your spellcaster level for both classes.
Re-read the linked reddit post. They're specifically referring to the Catechism ability, which lets your Hellknight Signifier levels stack for purposes of special abilities, such as cleric domain powers or oracle mysteries.
An oracle 3 / cleric 7 / Hellknight Signifier 10 would effectively be level 13 for all of their level-dependent oracle mystery effects and level 17 for all of their level 17 cleric domain powers, but they would have to choose between casting spells as an oracle 13 / cleric 7 or as an oracle 3 / cleric 17 (recommend over the 13/7).
answered 2 hours ago
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42.2k14133194
edited 1 hour ago
answered 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
answered 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
42.2k14133194
answered 2 hours ago
Oblivious Sage
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Or some other middle ground of Caster Level, I think. I can't find the text on it but recall picking CL increase on a per-Prestige-level basis.
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
1
@Ifusaso Yeah, I think you're right. That's probably strictly worse than putting all the CL increases into the same class, though.
– Oblivious Sage
2 hours ago
2
@Ifusaso Some prestige classes indicate that you can choose your progression on a per-level basis, and some don’t. Even among those that do, some limit you to a spellcasting class you had prior to actually becoming that prestige class, while others allow other classes introduced in between the prestige class levels to be selected. And, of course, since the spellcasting boiler plate was almost-certainly copied-and-pasted for each class, it’s extremely unclear when—if ever—those distinctions were even intended. In any event, the point is usually moot because it’s rarely a good idea.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
On which point, I would recommend updating this answer to point out that a 3rd-level oracle/7th-level cleric should be progressing cleric spellcasting. If one wanted oracle spellcasting instead (which is not really a great idea since cleric spellcasting is superior), instead being a 9th-level oracle/1st-level cleric makes vastly more sense. Actually, for that matter, a 1st-level oracle/9th-level cleric is better than the 3/7 version—they only did that for the sake of a second revelation, which might be worth it at 20th, but certainly not before then.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
(The point is, you want to maximize your spellcasting from one class, rather than be half-decent at both—being half-decent at both means you aren’t actually good at anything.)
– KRyan
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Or some other middle ground of Caster Level, I think. I can't find the text on it but recall picking CL increase on a per-Prestige-level basis.
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
1
@Ifusaso Yeah, I think you're right. That's probably strictly worse than putting all the CL increases into the same class, though.
– Oblivious Sage
2 hours ago
2
@Ifusaso Some prestige classes indicate that you can choose your progression on a per-level basis, and some don’t. Even among those that do, some limit you to a spellcasting class you had prior to actually becoming that prestige class, while others allow other classes introduced in between the prestige class levels to be selected. And, of course, since the spellcasting boiler plate was almost-certainly copied-and-pasted for each class, it’s extremely unclear when—if ever—those distinctions were even intended. In any event, the point is usually moot because it’s rarely a good idea.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
On which point, I would recommend updating this answer to point out that a 3rd-level oracle/7th-level cleric should be progressing cleric spellcasting. If one wanted oracle spellcasting instead (which is not really a great idea since cleric spellcasting is superior), instead being a 9th-level oracle/1st-level cleric makes vastly more sense. Actually, for that matter, a 1st-level oracle/9th-level cleric is better than the 3/7 version—they only did that for the sake of a second revelation, which might be worth it at 20th, but certainly not before then.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
(The point is, you want to maximize your spellcasting from one class, rather than be half-decent at both—being half-decent at both means you aren’t actually good at anything.)
– KRyan
1 hour ago
Or some other middle ground of Caster Level, I think. I can't find the text on it but recall picking CL increase on a per-Prestige-level basis.
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
Or some other middle ground of Caster Level, I think. I can't find the text on it but recall picking CL increase on a per-Prestige-level basis.
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
1
1
@Ifusaso Yeah, I think you're right. That's probably strictly worse than putting all the CL increases into the same class, though.
– Oblivious Sage
2 hours ago
@Ifusaso Yeah, I think you're right. That's probably strictly worse than putting all the CL increases into the same class, though.
– Oblivious Sage
2 hours ago
2
2
@Ifusaso Some prestige classes indicate that you can choose your progression on a per-level basis, and some don’t. Even among those that do, some limit you to a spellcasting class you had prior to actually becoming that prestige class, while others allow other classes introduced in between the prestige class levels to be selected. And, of course, since the spellcasting boiler plate was almost-certainly copied-and-pasted for each class, it’s extremely unclear when—if ever—those distinctions were even intended. In any event, the point is usually moot because it’s rarely a good idea.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
@Ifusaso Some prestige classes indicate that you can choose your progression on a per-level basis, and some don’t. Even among those that do, some limit you to a spellcasting class you had prior to actually becoming that prestige class, while others allow other classes introduced in between the prestige class levels to be selected. And, of course, since the spellcasting boiler plate was almost-certainly copied-and-pasted for each class, it’s extremely unclear when—if ever—those distinctions were even intended. In any event, the point is usually moot because it’s rarely a good idea.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
On which point, I would recommend updating this answer to point out that a 3rd-level oracle/7th-level cleric should be progressing cleric spellcasting. If one wanted oracle spellcasting instead (which is not really a great idea since cleric spellcasting is superior), instead being a 9th-level oracle/1st-level cleric makes vastly more sense. Actually, for that matter, a 1st-level oracle/9th-level cleric is better than the 3/7 version—they only did that for the sake of a second revelation, which might be worth it at 20th, but certainly not before then.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
On which point, I would recommend updating this answer to point out that a 3rd-level oracle/7th-level cleric should be progressing cleric spellcasting. If one wanted oracle spellcasting instead (which is not really a great idea since cleric spellcasting is superior), instead being a 9th-level oracle/1st-level cleric makes vastly more sense. Actually, for that matter, a 1st-level oracle/9th-level cleric is better than the 3/7 version—they only did that for the sake of a second revelation, which might be worth it at 20th, but certainly not before then.
– KRyan
1 hour ago
(The point is, you want to maximize your spellcasting from one class, rather than be half-decent at both—being half-decent at both means you aren’t actually good at anything.)
– KRyan
1 hour ago
(The point is, you want to maximize your spellcasting from one class, rather than be half-decent at both—being half-decent at both means you aren’t actually good at anything.)
– KRyan
1 hour ago
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Could you link your source?
– Ifusaso
2 hours ago
Added source link to original question :)
– Aria Nicholas
2 hours ago