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So in my settings set 40 years in the future I plan to have Egypt and Israel in an alliance that sees them slowly (and I mean slowly) merge into a single nation. Now my question is if this can happen with the following conditions :




  • The USA is fractured and it’s successor states either can’t or won’t provide any aids

  • Western Europe is busy dealing with Russia and China so they aren’t of any help either .

  • There’s an aggressive expansionist Muslim fascist terror state that encompasses Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia and is in the process of conquering Jordan and Lebanon

  • Egypt itself is at war with the aforementioned state

  • Israel can’t use nuclear weapons for reasons that I don’t want to spoil.


So is it possible?






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  • They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
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  • Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
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So in my settings set 40 years in the future I plan to have Egypt and Israel in an alliance that sees them slowly (and I mean slowly) merge into a single nation. Now my question is if this can happen with the following conditions :




  • The USA is fractured and it’s successor states either can’t or won’t provide any aids

  • Western Europe is busy dealing with Russia and China so they aren’t of any help either .

  • There’s an aggressive expansionist Muslim fascist terror state that encompasses Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia and is in the process of conquering Jordan and Lebanon

  • Egypt itself is at war with the aforementioned state

  • Israel can’t use nuclear weapons for reasons that I don’t want to spoil.


So is it possible?






reality-check government geopolitics







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  • They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
    – Alexander
    2 hours ago










  • Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
    – Cyn
    2 hours ago










  • Can't say I understand the close votes...
    – James♦
    18 mins ago










  • ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
    – JBH
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  • See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
    – VBartilucci
    9 mins ago














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So in my settings set 40 years in the future I plan to have Egypt and Israel in an alliance that sees them slowly (and I mean slowly) merge into a single nation. Now my question is if this can happen with the following conditions :




  • The USA is fractured and it’s successor states either can’t or won’t provide any aids

  • Western Europe is busy dealing with Russia and China so they aren’t of any help either .

  • There’s an aggressive expansionist Muslim fascist terror state that encompasses Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia and is in the process of conquering Jordan and Lebanon

  • Egypt itself is at war with the aforementioned state

  • Israel can’t use nuclear weapons for reasons that I don’t want to spoil.


So is it possible?






reality-check government geopolitics







share|improve this question















So in my settings set 40 years in the future I plan to have Egypt and Israel in an alliance that sees them slowly (and I mean slowly) merge into a single nation. Now my question is if this can happen with the following conditions :




  • The USA is fractured and it’s successor states either can’t or won’t provide any aids

  • Western Europe is busy dealing with Russia and China so they aren’t of any help either .

  • There’s an aggressive expansionist Muslim fascist terror state that encompasses Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia and is in the process of conquering Jordan and Lebanon

  • Egypt itself is at war with the aforementioned state

  • Israel can’t use nuclear weapons for reasons that I don’t want to spoil.


So is it possible?






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  • They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
    – Alexander
    2 hours ago










  • Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
    – Cyn
    2 hours ago










  • Can't say I understand the close votes...
    – James♦
    18 mins ago










  • ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
    – JBH
    15 mins ago












  • See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
    – VBartilucci
    9 mins ago


















  • They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
    – Alexander
    2 hours ago










  • Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
    – Cyn
    2 hours ago










  • Can't say I understand the close votes...
    – James♦
    18 mins ago










  • ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
    – JBH
    15 mins ago












  • See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
    – VBartilucci
    9 mins ago
















They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
– Alexander
2 hours ago




They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
– Alexander
2 hours ago












Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
– Cyn
2 hours ago




Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
– Cyn
2 hours ago












Can't say I understand the close votes...
– James♦
18 mins ago




Can't say I understand the close votes...
– James♦
18 mins ago












ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
– JBH
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ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
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See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
– VBartilucci
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See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
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Secret Alliance: Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K



As you propose, nothing unites like a common enemy. The secular Egyptian state and the Israeli state already make common cause against Islamic jihadists.



In your future, Israeli-Palestinian relations are finally dominated by practicality and the shared interest of both parties in making money and not fighting. The joint Palestinian - Israeli nation is thriving, as opposed to its arab neighbors who are succumbing to the terror state.



Egypt sees the writing on the wall. The only reason that they too are not succumbing to the terror state is their increasingly close cooperation with Israel, as in the linked article. The leaders of Egypt want the same deal that the Palestinians got for their lands, and formally merge with Israel / Palestine.



The heavy fiction here is the triumph of reason in Israel / Palestine, which I think you would need to make the Egyptian populace accept a merger.. But you might not even need that. A popular secular Egyptian strongman could decree a "merger of equals" and make it so.






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    It is for sure one of the possibilities.



    Impossible is a word that does not exist in politics and diplomatic relationships.



    Consider France and Germany: until 1945 they were sworn enemies, fighting each other on the slightest excuse. Then they became two of the founder of European Union.



    You just need to make up the proper trajectory bringing the two nations close to each other. You have it easy considering that Egypt was the first Arab country to normalize the relationships with Israel.






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      Secret Alliance: Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K



      As you propose, nothing unites like a common enemy. The secular Egyptian state and the Israeli state already make common cause against Islamic jihadists.



      In your future, Israeli-Palestinian relations are finally dominated by practicality and the shared interest of both parties in making money and not fighting. The joint Palestinian - Israeli nation is thriving, as opposed to its arab neighbors who are succumbing to the terror state.



      Egypt sees the writing on the wall. The only reason that they too are not succumbing to the terror state is their increasingly close cooperation with Israel, as in the linked article. The leaders of Egypt want the same deal that the Palestinians got for their lands, and formally merge with Israel / Palestine.



      The heavy fiction here is the triumph of reason in Israel / Palestine, which I think you would need to make the Egyptian populace accept a merger.. But you might not even need that. A popular secular Egyptian strongman could decree a "merger of equals" and make it so.






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        Secret Alliance: Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K



        As you propose, nothing unites like a common enemy. The secular Egyptian state and the Israeli state already make common cause against Islamic jihadists.



        In your future, Israeli-Palestinian relations are finally dominated by practicality and the shared interest of both parties in making money and not fighting. The joint Palestinian - Israeli nation is thriving, as opposed to its arab neighbors who are succumbing to the terror state.



        Egypt sees the writing on the wall. The only reason that they too are not succumbing to the terror state is their increasingly close cooperation with Israel, as in the linked article. The leaders of Egypt want the same deal that the Palestinians got for their lands, and formally merge with Israel / Palestine.



        The heavy fiction here is the triumph of reason in Israel / Palestine, which I think you would need to make the Egyptian populace accept a merger.. But you might not even need that. A popular secular Egyptian strongman could decree a "merger of equals" and make it so.






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          Secret Alliance: Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K



          As you propose, nothing unites like a common enemy. The secular Egyptian state and the Israeli state already make common cause against Islamic jihadists.



          In your future, Israeli-Palestinian relations are finally dominated by practicality and the shared interest of both parties in making money and not fighting. The joint Palestinian - Israeli nation is thriving, as opposed to its arab neighbors who are succumbing to the terror state.



          Egypt sees the writing on the wall. The only reason that they too are not succumbing to the terror state is their increasingly close cooperation with Israel, as in the linked article. The leaders of Egypt want the same deal that the Palestinians got for their lands, and formally merge with Israel / Palestine.



          The heavy fiction here is the triumph of reason in Israel / Palestine, which I think you would need to make the Egyptian populace accept a merger.. But you might not even need that. A popular secular Egyptian strongman could decree a "merger of equals" and make it so.






          share|improve this answer














          This is now.



          Secret Alliance: Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K



          As you propose, nothing unites like a common enemy. The secular Egyptian state and the Israeli state already make common cause against Islamic jihadists.



          In your future, Israeli-Palestinian relations are finally dominated by practicality and the shared interest of both parties in making money and not fighting. The joint Palestinian - Israeli nation is thriving, as opposed to its arab neighbors who are succumbing to the terror state.



          Egypt sees the writing on the wall. The only reason that they too are not succumbing to the terror state is their increasingly close cooperation with Israel, as in the linked article. The leaders of Egypt want the same deal that the Palestinians got for their lands, and formally merge with Israel / Palestine.



          The heavy fiction here is the triumph of reason in Israel / Palestine, which I think you would need to make the Egyptian populace accept a merger.. But you might not even need that. A popular secular Egyptian strongman could decree a "merger of equals" and make it so.







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              It is for sure one of the possibilities.



              Impossible is a word that does not exist in politics and diplomatic relationships.



              Consider France and Germany: until 1945 they were sworn enemies, fighting each other on the slightest excuse. Then they became two of the founder of European Union.



              You just need to make up the proper trajectory bringing the two nations close to each other. You have it easy considering that Egypt was the first Arab country to normalize the relationships with Israel.






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                It is for sure one of the possibilities.



                Impossible is a word that does not exist in politics and diplomatic relationships.



                Consider France and Germany: until 1945 they were sworn enemies, fighting each other on the slightest excuse. Then they became two of the founder of European Union.



                You just need to make up the proper trajectory bringing the two nations close to each other. You have it easy considering that Egypt was the first Arab country to normalize the relationships with Israel.






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                  It is for sure one of the possibilities.



                  Impossible is a word that does not exist in politics and diplomatic relationships.



                  Consider France and Germany: until 1945 they were sworn enemies, fighting each other on the slightest excuse. Then they became two of the founder of European Union.



                  You just need to make up the proper trajectory bringing the two nations close to each other. You have it easy considering that Egypt was the first Arab country to normalize the relationships with Israel.






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                  It is for sure one of the possibilities.



                  Impossible is a word that does not exist in politics and diplomatic relationships.



                  Consider France and Germany: until 1945 they were sworn enemies, fighting each other on the slightest excuse. Then they became two of the founder of European Union.



                  You just need to make up the proper trajectory bringing the two nations close to each other. You have it easy considering that Egypt was the first Arab country to normalize the relationships with Israel.







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