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Consider a one-dimensional situation on a straight line (say, $x$-axis). Let a charge of magnitude $q$ be located at $x=x_0$, the potential satisfies the Poisson's equation $$frac{d^2V}{dx^2}=-frac{rho(x)}{epsilon_0}=-frac{qdelta(x-x_0)}{epsilon_0}.$$ If $q>0$, $V^{primeprime}(x_0)<0$, and if $q<0$, $V^{primeprime}(x_0)>0$. Therefore, it appears that the potential $V$ does have a minimum at $x=x_0$, for $q<0$. Does this imply that $x=x_0$ is a point of stable equilibrium? I must be missing something because this appears to violate Earnshaw's theorem (or it doesn't)?






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    Consider a one-dimensional situation on a straight line (say, $x$-axis). Let a charge of magnitude $q$ be located at $x=x_0$, the potential satisfies the Poisson's equation $$frac{d^2V}{dx^2}=-frac{rho(x)}{epsilon_0}=-frac{qdelta(x-x_0)}{epsilon_0}.$$ If $q>0$, $V^{primeprime}(x_0)<0$, and if $q<0$, $V^{primeprime}(x_0)>0$. Therefore, it appears that the potential $V$ does have a minimum at $x=x_0$, for $q<0$. Does this imply that $x=x_0$ is a point of stable equilibrium? I must be missing something because this appears to violate Earnshaw's theorem (or it doesn't)?






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      Consider a one-dimensional situation on a straight line (say, $x$-axis). Let a charge of magnitude $q$ be located at $x=x_0$, the potential satisfies the Poisson's equation $$frac{d^2V}{dx^2}=-frac{rho(x)}{epsilon_0}=-frac{qdelta(x-x_0)}{epsilon_0}.$$ If $q>0$, $V^{primeprime}(x_0)<0$, and if $q<0$, $V^{primeprime}(x_0)>0$. Therefore, it appears that the potential $V$ does have a minimum at $x=x_0$, for $q<0$. Does this imply that $x=x_0$ is a point of stable equilibrium? I must be missing something because this appears to violate Earnshaw's theorem (or it doesn't)?






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      Consider a one-dimensional situation on a straight line (say, $x$-axis). Let a charge of magnitude $q$ be located at $x=x_0$, the potential satisfies the Poisson's equation $$frac{d^2V}{dx^2}=-frac{rho(x)}{epsilon_0}=-frac{qdelta(x-x_0)}{epsilon_0}.$$ If $q>0$, $V^{primeprime}(x_0)<0$, and if $q<0$, $V^{primeprime}(x_0)>0$. Therefore, it appears that the potential $V$ does have a minimum at $x=x_0$, for $q<0$. Does this imply that $x=x_0$ is a point of stable equilibrium? I must be missing something because this appears to violate Earnshaw's theorem (or it doesn't)?






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          Your example does not contradict Earnshaw's theorem for electrostatics, because it rules out stable equilibrium in a region without charge, possibly containing fields made by charges outside that region. Here you're doing the exact opposite, looking at the only point in your situation with charge.






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            Yes. I meant Earnshaw's theorem. Thanks. Does it mean that there must be an Earnshaw's theorem for Newtonian gravitation? Because in a massless region, again one has $V^{primeprime}(x)=0$?
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            @SRS Yes, that's true.
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            I am not yet totally comfortable with this. If you have a charge at some point $x=x_0$, is it not correct to look at the behaviour of the potential at that point? @knzhou
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            @SRS The potential at a point charge is not defined (or you could say infinite)
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            I have to think more about it and I'll get back.
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          So technically $V''(x_0)$ doesn't have an actual value, since $delta(x-x_0)toinfty$ as $xto x_0$. However, if you understand the Dirac delta distribution to be a limit of a function whose peak "gets narrower" with its integral remaining constant, then this is fine and you could say there is a minimum at $x_0$ for $q<0$



          This can be more easily understood by just thinking about the motion of a positive charge in this potential. It will move towards the negative charge, i.e. towards the minimum of the potential.






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            Your example does not contradict Earnshaw's theorem for electrostatics, because it rules out stable equilibrium in a region without charge, possibly containing fields made by charges outside that region. Here you're doing the exact opposite, looking at the only point in your situation with charge.






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              Yes. I meant Earnshaw's theorem. Thanks. Does it mean that there must be an Earnshaw's theorem for Newtonian gravitation? Because in a massless region, again one has $V^{primeprime}(x)=0$?
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              – SRS
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              @SRS Yes, that's true.
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              – knzhou
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              I am not yet totally comfortable with this. If you have a charge at some point $x=x_0$, is it not correct to look at the behaviour of the potential at that point? @knzhou
              $endgroup$
              – SRS
              10 hours ago










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              @SRS The potential at a point charge is not defined (or you could say infinite)
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              – Aaron Stevens
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              I have to think more about it and I'll get back.
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            $begingroup$

            Your example does not contradict Earnshaw's theorem for electrostatics, because it rules out stable equilibrium in a region without charge, possibly containing fields made by charges outside that region. Here you're doing the exact opposite, looking at the only point in your situation with charge.






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            • $begingroup$
              Yes. I meant Earnshaw's theorem. Thanks. Does it mean that there must be an Earnshaw's theorem for Newtonian gravitation? Because in a massless region, again one has $V^{primeprime}(x)=0$?
              $endgroup$
              – SRS
              11 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @SRS Yes, that's true.
              $endgroup$
              – knzhou
              11 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              I am not yet totally comfortable with this. If you have a charge at some point $x=x_0$, is it not correct to look at the behaviour of the potential at that point? @knzhou
              $endgroup$
              – SRS
              10 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @SRS The potential at a point charge is not defined (or you could say infinite)
              $endgroup$
              – Aaron Stevens
              9 hours ago










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              I have to think more about it and I'll get back.
              $endgroup$
              – SRS
              9 hours ago














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            Your example does not contradict Earnshaw's theorem for electrostatics, because it rules out stable equilibrium in a region without charge, possibly containing fields made by charges outside that region. Here you're doing the exact opposite, looking at the only point in your situation with charge.






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            Your example does not contradict Earnshaw's theorem for electrostatics, because it rules out stable equilibrium in a region without charge, possibly containing fields made by charges outside that region. Here you're doing the exact opposite, looking at the only point in your situation with charge.







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              Yes. I meant Earnshaw's theorem. Thanks. Does it mean that there must be an Earnshaw's theorem for Newtonian gravitation? Because in a massless region, again one has $V^{primeprime}(x)=0$?
              $endgroup$
              – SRS
              11 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @SRS Yes, that's true.
              $endgroup$
              – knzhou
              11 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              I am not yet totally comfortable with this. If you have a charge at some point $x=x_0$, is it not correct to look at the behaviour of the potential at that point? @knzhou
              $endgroup$
              – SRS
              10 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @SRS The potential at a point charge is not defined (or you could say infinite)
              $endgroup$
              – Aaron Stevens
              9 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              I have to think more about it and I'll get back.
              $endgroup$
              – SRS
              9 hours ago


















            • $begingroup$
              Yes. I meant Earnshaw's theorem. Thanks. Does it mean that there must be an Earnshaw's theorem for Newtonian gravitation? Because in a massless region, again one has $V^{primeprime}(x)=0$?
              $endgroup$
              – SRS
              11 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @SRS Yes, that's true.
              $endgroup$
              – knzhou
              11 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              I am not yet totally comfortable with this. If you have a charge at some point $x=x_0$, is it not correct to look at the behaviour of the potential at that point? @knzhou
              $endgroup$
              – SRS
              10 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              @SRS The potential at a point charge is not defined (or you could say infinite)
              $endgroup$
              – Aaron Stevens
              9 hours ago










            • $begingroup$
              I have to think more about it and I'll get back.
              $endgroup$
              – SRS
              9 hours ago
















            $begingroup$
            Yes. I meant Earnshaw's theorem. Thanks. Does it mean that there must be an Earnshaw's theorem for Newtonian gravitation? Because in a massless region, again one has $V^{primeprime}(x)=0$?
            $endgroup$
            – SRS
            11 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            Yes. I meant Earnshaw's theorem. Thanks. Does it mean that there must be an Earnshaw's theorem for Newtonian gravitation? Because in a massless region, again one has $V^{primeprime}(x)=0$?
            $endgroup$
            – SRS
            11 hours ago












            $begingroup$
            @SRS Yes, that's true.
            $endgroup$
            – knzhou
            11 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            @SRS Yes, that's true.
            $endgroup$
            – knzhou
            11 hours ago












            $begingroup$
            I am not yet totally comfortable with this. If you have a charge at some point $x=x_0$, is it not correct to look at the behaviour of the potential at that point? @knzhou
            $endgroup$
            – SRS
            10 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            I am not yet totally comfortable with this. If you have a charge at some point $x=x_0$, is it not correct to look at the behaviour of the potential at that point? @knzhou
            $endgroup$
            – SRS
            10 hours ago












            $begingroup$
            @SRS The potential at a point charge is not defined (or you could say infinite)
            $endgroup$
            – Aaron Stevens
            9 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            @SRS The potential at a point charge is not defined (or you could say infinite)
            $endgroup$
            – Aaron Stevens
            9 hours ago












            $begingroup$
            I have to think more about it and I'll get back.
            $endgroup$
            – SRS
            9 hours ago




            $begingroup$
            I have to think more about it and I'll get back.
            $endgroup$
            – SRS
            9 hours ago











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            So technically $V''(x_0)$ doesn't have an actual value, since $delta(x-x_0)toinfty$ as $xto x_0$. However, if you understand the Dirac delta distribution to be a limit of a function whose peak "gets narrower" with its integral remaining constant, then this is fine and you could say there is a minimum at $x_0$ for $q<0$



            This can be more easily understood by just thinking about the motion of a positive charge in this potential. It will move towards the negative charge, i.e. towards the minimum of the potential.






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              So technically $V''(x_0)$ doesn't have an actual value, since $delta(x-x_0)toinfty$ as $xto x_0$. However, if you understand the Dirac delta distribution to be a limit of a function whose peak "gets narrower" with its integral remaining constant, then this is fine and you could say there is a minimum at $x_0$ for $q<0$



              This can be more easily understood by just thinking about the motion of a positive charge in this potential. It will move towards the negative charge, i.e. towards the minimum of the potential.






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                So technically $V''(x_0)$ doesn't have an actual value, since $delta(x-x_0)toinfty$ as $xto x_0$. However, if you understand the Dirac delta distribution to be a limit of a function whose peak "gets narrower" with its integral remaining constant, then this is fine and you could say there is a minimum at $x_0$ for $q<0$



                This can be more easily understood by just thinking about the motion of a positive charge in this potential. It will move towards the negative charge, i.e. towards the minimum of the potential.






                share|cite|improve this answer









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                So technically $V''(x_0)$ doesn't have an actual value, since $delta(x-x_0)toinfty$ as $xto x_0$. However, if you understand the Dirac delta distribution to be a limit of a function whose peak "gets narrower" with its integral remaining constant, then this is fine and you could say there is a minimum at $x_0$ for $q<0$



                This can be more easily understood by just thinking about the motion of a positive charge in this potential. It will move towards the negative charge, i.e. towards the minimum of the potential.







                share|cite|improve this answer












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