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In Captain Marvel a number of people witness aliens on Earth and experience the power and danger they can cause including some key SHIELD characters (Coulson, and Fury to name 2).



However, SHIELD doesn't start producing weapons from the Tesseract until after the events in Thor. When this is discovered Fury claims to the Avengers that the invasion of Earth by the Destroyer and events in Thor prompted Earth to find ways to defend itself from space attack.



I understand a simple explanation is simply that Fury lied not wanting the Avengers to know about the events of Captain Marvel but has Marvel clarified this discrepancy between the 2 movies yet?










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    In Captain Marvel a number of people witness aliens on Earth and experience the power and danger they can cause including some key SHIELD characters (Coulson, and Fury to name 2).



    However, SHIELD doesn't start producing weapons from the Tesseract until after the events in Thor. When this is discovered Fury claims to the Avengers that the invasion of Earth by the Destroyer and events in Thor prompted Earth to find ways to defend itself from space attack.



    I understand a simple explanation is simply that Fury lied not wanting the Avengers to know about the events of Captain Marvel but has Marvel clarified this discrepancy between the 2 movies yet?










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      In Captain Marvel a number of people witness aliens on Earth and experience the power and danger they can cause including some key SHIELD characters (Coulson, and Fury to name 2).



      However, SHIELD doesn't start producing weapons from the Tesseract until after the events in Thor. When this is discovered Fury claims to the Avengers that the invasion of Earth by the Destroyer and events in Thor prompted Earth to find ways to defend itself from space attack.



      I understand a simple explanation is simply that Fury lied not wanting the Avengers to know about the events of Captain Marvel but has Marvel clarified this discrepancy between the 2 movies yet?










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      In Captain Marvel a number of people witness aliens on Earth and experience the power and danger they can cause including some key SHIELD characters (Coulson, and Fury to name 2).



      However, SHIELD doesn't start producing weapons from the Tesseract until after the events in Thor. When this is discovered Fury claims to the Avengers that the invasion of Earth by the Destroyer and events in Thor prompted Earth to find ways to defend itself from space attack.



      I understand a simple explanation is simply that Fury lied not wanting the Avengers to know about the events of Captain Marvel but has Marvel clarified this discrepancy between the 2 movies yet?







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          While this isn’t a comment from Marvel, I think the films themselves avoid any discrepancy.



          1. Maybe they didn't wait




          SHIELD doesn't start producing weapons from the Tesseract until after the events in Thor




          We don't know for certain when SHIELD started working on the weapons we see in The Avengers. They could have been working on them since Goose barfed up the Tesseract.



          It might have taken them that long just to get them working. Aside from the difficulty of harnessing the power of an Infinity Stone, as we know from The Winter Soldier




          Arnim Zola, who created Tesseract-powered weapons in World War 2 for the Red Skull, was working within SHIELD in some capacity, but as a HYDRA operative. He could have been deliberately holding the research back.




           2. And if they did, here's why



          If we assume Fury actually was telling the truth about the weapons timeline (which is credible! See TheLethalCarrot's answer and vote it up!), it's not a discrepancy. Here's what he says:




          FURY: Last year earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that levelled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly, hilariously, outgunned.



          THOR: My people want nothing but peace with your planet.



          NICK FURY: But you're not the only people out there, are you? And, you're not the only threat. The world's filling up with people who can't be matched, they can't be controlled.



          https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Avengers,-The-(2012).html




          So the recent emergence of powered individuals like Iron Man and the Hulk on earth was motivation in itself, regardless of extra-terrestrial threats.



          On the space-y side of things, the Destroyer's attack in Thor caused a lot of very public damage, after which Thor himself disappeared. SHIELD had no way of knowing whether the Asgardian threat was actually resolved (due to the Bifrost being destroyed during Thor's victory over Loki) — for all they knew, an Asgardian army commanded by Loki could show up at any moment.



          That's more of a prompt to develop weapons than the events of Captain Marvel, where Fury knew from working with Carol that the Skrulls were in fact




          just trying to get their people (and probably also the light speed drive) off earth, and far away to find a new home;




          whilst the Kree were only interested in hunting down the Skrulls, and considered C-53 (earth) something of a backwater s—hole of no interest.



          No significant damage was done to earth, or witnessed by any civilians, so there was no public awareness to create pressure to develop a response, unlike the New Mexico incident.



          Given the solid intelligence that neither the Kree nor the Skrulls had any further interest in earth, SHIELD could reasonably have prioritised energy research over weapons until the Avengers-to-be started causing their early-21st-century ruckuses.






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            As shown in my answer SHIELD do appear to wait to make weapons... "AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?"

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          • @TheLethalCarrot: could well be. That doesn't preclude weapons research having occurred earlier — a prototype gun isn't necessarily the first step.

            – Paul D. Waite
            2 hours ago






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            Of course but it is one of the first. And FWIW the very fact that creating weapons is Phase 2 implies there was a Phase 1 that was probably just gathering info on the Tesseract... perhaps. Either way I do believe SHIELD waited until after Thor to look into weapons tech from the Tesseract.

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            @TheLethalCarrot: yup, could well be. They are energy weapons eh, so presumably step one is harness the energy, step two is put the energy in weapons, which you can't do until you've figured out step one. Zola and the Red Skull seemed to manage it all within the space of at most three years, but that's German efficiency for you! Say what you like about HYDRA, they made the trains run on time.

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          • Frankly, the fact that they had Zola messes everything up a little. He had produced weapons using the Tessaract before. Sure, he could slow-walk duplicating them for SHIELD - but that kind of charade could only credibly last so long.

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          It would appear as if Fury was telling the truth to the Avengers and that research into the Tesseract was undergoing since SHIELD got it back at the end of Captain Marvel. However, Phase 2 itself was not on the way until after the events in Thor, this is backed up by Coulson who repeats what Fury said to the Avengers.




          Loki moves to open the chute beneath the cell, dropping Thor to, what for any regular person, would be certain death. Coulson suddenly appears, wielding a large prototype Phase Two weapon.



          AGENT COULSON: Move away please.



          Loki steps back from the panel. Coulson gestures to the gun.



          AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?



          The Avengers




          The fact that the Phase 2 project is only in prototype stage which would back up the theory that Phase 2 itself was relatively new but that research into the Tesseract has been going on for a while.



          Note the beginning of the conversation when they uncover the plans for Phase 2 and find that SHIELD has been gathering a lot of material around the Tessearct. This is not exactly an overnight process so must have been going on for a while.




          TONY: And you’ll get your cube back, no muss, no fuss. What is Phase Two?



          Steve enters, and slams a large HYDRA gun on the table.



          STEVE: Phase Two is SHIELD used the Cube to make weapons. (to Tony) Sorry, computer was moving a little slow for me.



          FURY: Rogers, we gathered everything related to the Tesseract. This does not mean that we’re-



          TONY: I’m sorry, Nick. Tony turns the screen towards Fury. It shows a plan for some a missile. What were you lying?



          The Avengers




          Fury then goes on to say it was the appearance of the superheroes, supervillains and people like Thor on Earth that made them want to start looking into weapons technology. It wasn't necessarily aliens on their own which made them want to look into weapons technology.




          BANNER: I’d like to know why SHIELD is using the Tesseract to build weapons of mass destruction.



          FURY: (pointing at Thor) Because of him.



          THOR: Me?



          FURY: Last year Earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that leveled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly hilariously, out-gunned.



          THOR: My people want nothing but peace with your planet.



          FURY: But you’re not the only people out there, are you? And, you’re not the only threat. The world’s filling up with people who can’t be matched, they can’t be controlled.



          STEVE: Like you controlled the cube!



          THOR: Your work with the Tesseract is what drew Loki to it, and his allies. It is the signal to all the realms that the earth is ready for A HIGHER FORM OF WAR.



          STEVE: A higher form?!



          FURY: You forced our hand! We had to come up with some-



          TONY: Nuclear deterrent! ’Cause that always calms everything right down.



          The Avengers




          That said SHIELD has had the Tesseact since the events of Captain Marvel and have probably been researching into it since then. But even with all that time they aren't actually ready to properly develop stuff out of it. It's possible since the events of CM that they have simply been trying to control the Tesseract and haven't actually properly managed to do that yet. We see in The Avengers that they still don't have any control over it.




          FURY: We prepared for this, Doctor. Harnessing energy from space.



          SELVIG: We don’t have the harness. My calculations are far from complete. She’s throwing off interference, radiation. Nothing harmful, low levels of Gamma radiation.



          The Avengers







          COUNCILMAN: Which is why you should be focusing on Phase Two, it was designed for exactly this purpose.



          FURY: Phase Two isn’t ready; our enemy is. We need a response team.



          The Avengers







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            While this isn’t a comment from Marvel, I think the films themselves avoid any discrepancy.



            1. Maybe they didn't wait




            SHIELD doesn't start producing weapons from the Tesseract until after the events in Thor




            We don't know for certain when SHIELD started working on the weapons we see in The Avengers. They could have been working on them since Goose barfed up the Tesseract.



            It might have taken them that long just to get them working. Aside from the difficulty of harnessing the power of an Infinity Stone, as we know from The Winter Soldier




            Arnim Zola, who created Tesseract-powered weapons in World War 2 for the Red Skull, was working within SHIELD in some capacity, but as a HYDRA operative. He could have been deliberately holding the research back.




             2. And if they did, here's why



            If we assume Fury actually was telling the truth about the weapons timeline (which is credible! See TheLethalCarrot's answer and vote it up!), it's not a discrepancy. Here's what he says:




            FURY: Last year earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that levelled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly, hilariously, outgunned.



            THOR: My people want nothing but peace with your planet.



            NICK FURY: But you're not the only people out there, are you? And, you're not the only threat. The world's filling up with people who can't be matched, they can't be controlled.



            https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Avengers,-The-(2012).html




            So the recent emergence of powered individuals like Iron Man and the Hulk on earth was motivation in itself, regardless of extra-terrestrial threats.



            On the space-y side of things, the Destroyer's attack in Thor caused a lot of very public damage, after which Thor himself disappeared. SHIELD had no way of knowing whether the Asgardian threat was actually resolved (due to the Bifrost being destroyed during Thor's victory over Loki) — for all they knew, an Asgardian army commanded by Loki could show up at any moment.



            That's more of a prompt to develop weapons than the events of Captain Marvel, where Fury knew from working with Carol that the Skrulls were in fact




            just trying to get their people (and probably also the light speed drive) off earth, and far away to find a new home;




            whilst the Kree were only interested in hunting down the Skrulls, and considered C-53 (earth) something of a backwater s—hole of no interest.



            No significant damage was done to earth, or witnessed by any civilians, so there was no public awareness to create pressure to develop a response, unlike the New Mexico incident.



            Given the solid intelligence that neither the Kree nor the Skrulls had any further interest in earth, SHIELD could reasonably have prioritised energy research over weapons until the Avengers-to-be started causing their early-21st-century ruckuses.






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              As shown in my answer SHIELD do appear to wait to make weapons... "AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?"

              – TheLethalCarrot
              2 hours ago











            • @TheLethalCarrot: could well be. That doesn't preclude weapons research having occurred earlier — a prototype gun isn't necessarily the first step.

              – Paul D. Waite
              2 hours ago






            • 1





              Of course but it is one of the first. And FWIW the very fact that creating weapons is Phase 2 implies there was a Phase 1 that was probably just gathering info on the Tesseract... perhaps. Either way I do believe SHIELD waited until after Thor to look into weapons tech from the Tesseract.

              – TheLethalCarrot
              2 hours ago






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              @TheLethalCarrot: yup, could well be. They are energy weapons eh, so presumably step one is harness the energy, step two is put the energy in weapons, which you can't do until you've figured out step one. Zola and the Red Skull seemed to manage it all within the space of at most three years, but that's German efficiency for you! Say what you like about HYDRA, they made the trains run on time.

              – Paul D. Waite
              2 hours ago













            • Frankly, the fact that they had Zola messes everything up a little. He had produced weapons using the Tessaract before. Sure, he could slow-walk duplicating them for SHIELD - but that kind of charade could only credibly last so long.

              – tbrookside
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            While this isn’t a comment from Marvel, I think the films themselves avoid any discrepancy.



            1. Maybe they didn't wait




            SHIELD doesn't start producing weapons from the Tesseract until after the events in Thor




            We don't know for certain when SHIELD started working on the weapons we see in The Avengers. They could have been working on them since Goose barfed up the Tesseract.



            It might have taken them that long just to get them working. Aside from the difficulty of harnessing the power of an Infinity Stone, as we know from The Winter Soldier




            Arnim Zola, who created Tesseract-powered weapons in World War 2 for the Red Skull, was working within SHIELD in some capacity, but as a HYDRA operative. He could have been deliberately holding the research back.




             2. And if they did, here's why



            If we assume Fury actually was telling the truth about the weapons timeline (which is credible! See TheLethalCarrot's answer and vote it up!), it's not a discrepancy. Here's what he says:




            FURY: Last year earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that levelled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly, hilariously, outgunned.



            THOR: My people want nothing but peace with your planet.



            NICK FURY: But you're not the only people out there, are you? And, you're not the only threat. The world's filling up with people who can't be matched, they can't be controlled.



            https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Avengers,-The-(2012).html




            So the recent emergence of powered individuals like Iron Man and the Hulk on earth was motivation in itself, regardless of extra-terrestrial threats.



            On the space-y side of things, the Destroyer's attack in Thor caused a lot of very public damage, after which Thor himself disappeared. SHIELD had no way of knowing whether the Asgardian threat was actually resolved (due to the Bifrost being destroyed during Thor's victory over Loki) — for all they knew, an Asgardian army commanded by Loki could show up at any moment.



            That's more of a prompt to develop weapons than the events of Captain Marvel, where Fury knew from working with Carol that the Skrulls were in fact




            just trying to get their people (and probably also the light speed drive) off earth, and far away to find a new home;




            whilst the Kree were only interested in hunting down the Skrulls, and considered C-53 (earth) something of a backwater s—hole of no interest.



            No significant damage was done to earth, or witnessed by any civilians, so there was no public awareness to create pressure to develop a response, unlike the New Mexico incident.



            Given the solid intelligence that neither the Kree nor the Skrulls had any further interest in earth, SHIELD could reasonably have prioritised energy research over weapons until the Avengers-to-be started causing their early-21st-century ruckuses.






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              As shown in my answer SHIELD do appear to wait to make weapons... "AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?"

              – TheLethalCarrot
              2 hours ago











            • @TheLethalCarrot: could well be. That doesn't preclude weapons research having occurred earlier — a prototype gun isn't necessarily the first step.

              – Paul D. Waite
              2 hours ago






            • 1





              Of course but it is one of the first. And FWIW the very fact that creating weapons is Phase 2 implies there was a Phase 1 that was probably just gathering info on the Tesseract... perhaps. Either way I do believe SHIELD waited until after Thor to look into weapons tech from the Tesseract.

              – TheLethalCarrot
              2 hours ago






            • 1





              @TheLethalCarrot: yup, could well be. They are energy weapons eh, so presumably step one is harness the energy, step two is put the energy in weapons, which you can't do until you've figured out step one. Zola and the Red Skull seemed to manage it all within the space of at most three years, but that's German efficiency for you! Say what you like about HYDRA, they made the trains run on time.

              – Paul D. Waite
              2 hours ago













            • Frankly, the fact that they had Zola messes everything up a little. He had produced weapons using the Tessaract before. Sure, he could slow-walk duplicating them for SHIELD - but that kind of charade could only credibly last so long.

              – tbrookside
              31 mins ago














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            While this isn’t a comment from Marvel, I think the films themselves avoid any discrepancy.



            1. Maybe they didn't wait




            SHIELD doesn't start producing weapons from the Tesseract until after the events in Thor




            We don't know for certain when SHIELD started working on the weapons we see in The Avengers. They could have been working on them since Goose barfed up the Tesseract.



            It might have taken them that long just to get them working. Aside from the difficulty of harnessing the power of an Infinity Stone, as we know from The Winter Soldier




            Arnim Zola, who created Tesseract-powered weapons in World War 2 for the Red Skull, was working within SHIELD in some capacity, but as a HYDRA operative. He could have been deliberately holding the research back.




             2. And if they did, here's why



            If we assume Fury actually was telling the truth about the weapons timeline (which is credible! See TheLethalCarrot's answer and vote it up!), it's not a discrepancy. Here's what he says:




            FURY: Last year earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that levelled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly, hilariously, outgunned.



            THOR: My people want nothing but peace with your planet.



            NICK FURY: But you're not the only people out there, are you? And, you're not the only threat. The world's filling up with people who can't be matched, they can't be controlled.



            https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Avengers,-The-(2012).html




            So the recent emergence of powered individuals like Iron Man and the Hulk on earth was motivation in itself, regardless of extra-terrestrial threats.



            On the space-y side of things, the Destroyer's attack in Thor caused a lot of very public damage, after which Thor himself disappeared. SHIELD had no way of knowing whether the Asgardian threat was actually resolved (due to the Bifrost being destroyed during Thor's victory over Loki) — for all they knew, an Asgardian army commanded by Loki could show up at any moment.



            That's more of a prompt to develop weapons than the events of Captain Marvel, where Fury knew from working with Carol that the Skrulls were in fact




            just trying to get their people (and probably also the light speed drive) off earth, and far away to find a new home;




            whilst the Kree were only interested in hunting down the Skrulls, and considered C-53 (earth) something of a backwater s—hole of no interest.



            No significant damage was done to earth, or witnessed by any civilians, so there was no public awareness to create pressure to develop a response, unlike the New Mexico incident.



            Given the solid intelligence that neither the Kree nor the Skrulls had any further interest in earth, SHIELD could reasonably have prioritised energy research over weapons until the Avengers-to-be started causing their early-21st-century ruckuses.






            share|improve this answer















            While this isn’t a comment from Marvel, I think the films themselves avoid any discrepancy.



            1. Maybe they didn't wait




            SHIELD doesn't start producing weapons from the Tesseract until after the events in Thor




            We don't know for certain when SHIELD started working on the weapons we see in The Avengers. They could have been working on them since Goose barfed up the Tesseract.



            It might have taken them that long just to get them working. Aside from the difficulty of harnessing the power of an Infinity Stone, as we know from The Winter Soldier




            Arnim Zola, who created Tesseract-powered weapons in World War 2 for the Red Skull, was working within SHIELD in some capacity, but as a HYDRA operative. He could have been deliberately holding the research back.




             2. And if they did, here's why



            If we assume Fury actually was telling the truth about the weapons timeline (which is credible! See TheLethalCarrot's answer and vote it up!), it's not a discrepancy. Here's what he says:




            FURY: Last year earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that levelled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly, hilariously, outgunned.



            THOR: My people want nothing but peace with your planet.



            NICK FURY: But you're not the only people out there, are you? And, you're not the only threat. The world's filling up with people who can't be matched, they can't be controlled.



            https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Avengers,-The-(2012).html




            So the recent emergence of powered individuals like Iron Man and the Hulk on earth was motivation in itself, regardless of extra-terrestrial threats.



            On the space-y side of things, the Destroyer's attack in Thor caused a lot of very public damage, after which Thor himself disappeared. SHIELD had no way of knowing whether the Asgardian threat was actually resolved (due to the Bifrost being destroyed during Thor's victory over Loki) — for all they knew, an Asgardian army commanded by Loki could show up at any moment.



            That's more of a prompt to develop weapons than the events of Captain Marvel, where Fury knew from working with Carol that the Skrulls were in fact




            just trying to get their people (and probably also the light speed drive) off earth, and far away to find a new home;




            whilst the Kree were only interested in hunting down the Skrulls, and considered C-53 (earth) something of a backwater s—hole of no interest.



            No significant damage was done to earth, or witnessed by any civilians, so there was no public awareness to create pressure to develop a response, unlike the New Mexico incident.



            Given the solid intelligence that neither the Kree nor the Skrulls had any further interest in earth, SHIELD could reasonably have prioritised energy research over weapons until the Avengers-to-be started causing their early-21st-century ruckuses.







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              As shown in my answer SHIELD do appear to wait to make weapons... "AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?"

              – TheLethalCarrot
              2 hours ago











            • @TheLethalCarrot: could well be. That doesn't preclude weapons research having occurred earlier — a prototype gun isn't necessarily the first step.

              – Paul D. Waite
              2 hours ago






            • 1





              Of course but it is one of the first. And FWIW the very fact that creating weapons is Phase 2 implies there was a Phase 1 that was probably just gathering info on the Tesseract... perhaps. Either way I do believe SHIELD waited until after Thor to look into weapons tech from the Tesseract.

              – TheLethalCarrot
              2 hours ago






            • 1





              @TheLethalCarrot: yup, could well be. They are energy weapons eh, so presumably step one is harness the energy, step two is put the energy in weapons, which you can't do until you've figured out step one. Zola and the Red Skull seemed to manage it all within the space of at most three years, but that's German efficiency for you! Say what you like about HYDRA, they made the trains run on time.

              – Paul D. Waite
              2 hours ago













            • Frankly, the fact that they had Zola messes everything up a little. He had produced weapons using the Tessaract before. Sure, he could slow-walk duplicating them for SHIELD - but that kind of charade could only credibly last so long.

              – tbrookside
              31 mins ago














            • 1





              As shown in my answer SHIELD do appear to wait to make weapons... "AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?"

              – TheLethalCarrot
              2 hours ago











            • @TheLethalCarrot: could well be. That doesn't preclude weapons research having occurred earlier — a prototype gun isn't necessarily the first step.

              – Paul D. Waite
              2 hours ago






            • 1





              Of course but it is one of the first. And FWIW the very fact that creating weapons is Phase 2 implies there was a Phase 1 that was probably just gathering info on the Tesseract... perhaps. Either way I do believe SHIELD waited until after Thor to look into weapons tech from the Tesseract.

              – TheLethalCarrot
              2 hours ago






            • 1





              @TheLethalCarrot: yup, could well be. They are energy weapons eh, so presumably step one is harness the energy, step two is put the energy in weapons, which you can't do until you've figured out step one. Zola and the Red Skull seemed to manage it all within the space of at most three years, but that's German efficiency for you! Say what you like about HYDRA, they made the trains run on time.

              – Paul D. Waite
              2 hours ago













            • Frankly, the fact that they had Zola messes everything up a little. He had produced weapons using the Tessaract before. Sure, he could slow-walk duplicating them for SHIELD - but that kind of charade could only credibly last so long.

              – tbrookside
              31 mins ago








            1




            1





            As shown in my answer SHIELD do appear to wait to make weapons... "AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?"

            – TheLethalCarrot
            2 hours ago





            As shown in my answer SHIELD do appear to wait to make weapons... "AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?"

            – TheLethalCarrot
            2 hours ago













            @TheLethalCarrot: could well be. That doesn't preclude weapons research having occurred earlier — a prototype gun isn't necessarily the first step.

            – Paul D. Waite
            2 hours ago





            @TheLethalCarrot: could well be. That doesn't preclude weapons research having occurred earlier — a prototype gun isn't necessarily the first step.

            – Paul D. Waite
            2 hours ago




            1




            1





            Of course but it is one of the first. And FWIW the very fact that creating weapons is Phase 2 implies there was a Phase 1 that was probably just gathering info on the Tesseract... perhaps. Either way I do believe SHIELD waited until after Thor to look into weapons tech from the Tesseract.

            – TheLethalCarrot
            2 hours ago





            Of course but it is one of the first. And FWIW the very fact that creating weapons is Phase 2 implies there was a Phase 1 that was probably just gathering info on the Tesseract... perhaps. Either way I do believe SHIELD waited until after Thor to look into weapons tech from the Tesseract.

            – TheLethalCarrot
            2 hours ago




            1




            1





            @TheLethalCarrot: yup, could well be. They are energy weapons eh, so presumably step one is harness the energy, step two is put the energy in weapons, which you can't do until you've figured out step one. Zola and the Red Skull seemed to manage it all within the space of at most three years, but that's German efficiency for you! Say what you like about HYDRA, they made the trains run on time.

            – Paul D. Waite
            2 hours ago







            @TheLethalCarrot: yup, could well be. They are energy weapons eh, so presumably step one is harness the energy, step two is put the energy in weapons, which you can't do until you've figured out step one. Zola and the Red Skull seemed to manage it all within the space of at most three years, but that's German efficiency for you! Say what you like about HYDRA, they made the trains run on time.

            – Paul D. Waite
            2 hours ago















            Frankly, the fact that they had Zola messes everything up a little. He had produced weapons using the Tessaract before. Sure, he could slow-walk duplicating them for SHIELD - but that kind of charade could only credibly last so long.

            – tbrookside
            31 mins ago





            Frankly, the fact that they had Zola messes everything up a little. He had produced weapons using the Tessaract before. Sure, he could slow-walk duplicating them for SHIELD - but that kind of charade could only credibly last so long.

            – tbrookside
            31 mins ago













            5














            It would appear as if Fury was telling the truth to the Avengers and that research into the Tesseract was undergoing since SHIELD got it back at the end of Captain Marvel. However, Phase 2 itself was not on the way until after the events in Thor, this is backed up by Coulson who repeats what Fury said to the Avengers.




            Loki moves to open the chute beneath the cell, dropping Thor to, what for any regular person, would be certain death. Coulson suddenly appears, wielding a large prototype Phase Two weapon.



            AGENT COULSON: Move away please.



            Loki steps back from the panel. Coulson gestures to the gun.



            AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?



            The Avengers




            The fact that the Phase 2 project is only in prototype stage which would back up the theory that Phase 2 itself was relatively new but that research into the Tesseract has been going on for a while.



            Note the beginning of the conversation when they uncover the plans for Phase 2 and find that SHIELD has been gathering a lot of material around the Tessearct. This is not exactly an overnight process so must have been going on for a while.




            TONY: And you’ll get your cube back, no muss, no fuss. What is Phase Two?



            Steve enters, and slams a large HYDRA gun on the table.



            STEVE: Phase Two is SHIELD used the Cube to make weapons. (to Tony) Sorry, computer was moving a little slow for me.



            FURY: Rogers, we gathered everything related to the Tesseract. This does not mean that we’re-



            TONY: I’m sorry, Nick. Tony turns the screen towards Fury. It shows a plan for some a missile. What were you lying?



            The Avengers




            Fury then goes on to say it was the appearance of the superheroes, supervillains and people like Thor on Earth that made them want to start looking into weapons technology. It wasn't necessarily aliens on their own which made them want to look into weapons technology.




            BANNER: I’d like to know why SHIELD is using the Tesseract to build weapons of mass destruction.



            FURY: (pointing at Thor) Because of him.



            THOR: Me?



            FURY: Last year Earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that leveled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly hilariously, out-gunned.



            THOR: My people want nothing but peace with your planet.



            FURY: But you’re not the only people out there, are you? And, you’re not the only threat. The world’s filling up with people who can’t be matched, they can’t be controlled.



            STEVE: Like you controlled the cube!



            THOR: Your work with the Tesseract is what drew Loki to it, and his allies. It is the signal to all the realms that the earth is ready for A HIGHER FORM OF WAR.



            STEVE: A higher form?!



            FURY: You forced our hand! We had to come up with some-



            TONY: Nuclear deterrent! ’Cause that always calms everything right down.



            The Avengers




            That said SHIELD has had the Tesseact since the events of Captain Marvel and have probably been researching into it since then. But even with all that time they aren't actually ready to properly develop stuff out of it. It's possible since the events of CM that they have simply been trying to control the Tesseract and haven't actually properly managed to do that yet. We see in The Avengers that they still don't have any control over it.




            FURY: We prepared for this, Doctor. Harnessing energy from space.



            SELVIG: We don’t have the harness. My calculations are far from complete. She’s throwing off interference, radiation. Nothing harmful, low levels of Gamma radiation.



            The Avengers







            COUNCILMAN: Which is why you should be focusing on Phase Two, it was designed for exactly this purpose.



            FURY: Phase Two isn’t ready; our enemy is. We need a response team.



            The Avengers







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              It would appear as if Fury was telling the truth to the Avengers and that research into the Tesseract was undergoing since SHIELD got it back at the end of Captain Marvel. However, Phase 2 itself was not on the way until after the events in Thor, this is backed up by Coulson who repeats what Fury said to the Avengers.




              Loki moves to open the chute beneath the cell, dropping Thor to, what for any regular person, would be certain death. Coulson suddenly appears, wielding a large prototype Phase Two weapon.



              AGENT COULSON: Move away please.



              Loki steps back from the panel. Coulson gestures to the gun.



              AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?



              The Avengers




              The fact that the Phase 2 project is only in prototype stage which would back up the theory that Phase 2 itself was relatively new but that research into the Tesseract has been going on for a while.



              Note the beginning of the conversation when they uncover the plans for Phase 2 and find that SHIELD has been gathering a lot of material around the Tessearct. This is not exactly an overnight process so must have been going on for a while.




              TONY: And you’ll get your cube back, no muss, no fuss. What is Phase Two?



              Steve enters, and slams a large HYDRA gun on the table.



              STEVE: Phase Two is SHIELD used the Cube to make weapons. (to Tony) Sorry, computer was moving a little slow for me.



              FURY: Rogers, we gathered everything related to the Tesseract. This does not mean that we’re-



              TONY: I’m sorry, Nick. Tony turns the screen towards Fury. It shows a plan for some a missile. What were you lying?



              The Avengers




              Fury then goes on to say it was the appearance of the superheroes, supervillains and people like Thor on Earth that made them want to start looking into weapons technology. It wasn't necessarily aliens on their own which made them want to look into weapons technology.




              BANNER: I’d like to know why SHIELD is using the Tesseract to build weapons of mass destruction.



              FURY: (pointing at Thor) Because of him.



              THOR: Me?



              FURY: Last year Earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that leveled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly hilariously, out-gunned.



              THOR: My people want nothing but peace with your planet.



              FURY: But you’re not the only people out there, are you? And, you’re not the only threat. The world’s filling up with people who can’t be matched, they can’t be controlled.



              STEVE: Like you controlled the cube!



              THOR: Your work with the Tesseract is what drew Loki to it, and his allies. It is the signal to all the realms that the earth is ready for A HIGHER FORM OF WAR.



              STEVE: A higher form?!



              FURY: You forced our hand! We had to come up with some-



              TONY: Nuclear deterrent! ’Cause that always calms everything right down.



              The Avengers




              That said SHIELD has had the Tesseact since the events of Captain Marvel and have probably been researching into it since then. But even with all that time they aren't actually ready to properly develop stuff out of it. It's possible since the events of CM that they have simply been trying to control the Tesseract and haven't actually properly managed to do that yet. We see in The Avengers that they still don't have any control over it.




              FURY: We prepared for this, Doctor. Harnessing energy from space.



              SELVIG: We don’t have the harness. My calculations are far from complete. She’s throwing off interference, radiation. Nothing harmful, low levels of Gamma radiation.



              The Avengers







              COUNCILMAN: Which is why you should be focusing on Phase Two, it was designed for exactly this purpose.



              FURY: Phase Two isn’t ready; our enemy is. We need a response team.



              The Avengers







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                5








                5







                It would appear as if Fury was telling the truth to the Avengers and that research into the Tesseract was undergoing since SHIELD got it back at the end of Captain Marvel. However, Phase 2 itself was not on the way until after the events in Thor, this is backed up by Coulson who repeats what Fury said to the Avengers.




                Loki moves to open the chute beneath the cell, dropping Thor to, what for any regular person, would be certain death. Coulson suddenly appears, wielding a large prototype Phase Two weapon.



                AGENT COULSON: Move away please.



                Loki steps back from the panel. Coulson gestures to the gun.



                AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?



                The Avengers




                The fact that the Phase 2 project is only in prototype stage which would back up the theory that Phase 2 itself was relatively new but that research into the Tesseract has been going on for a while.



                Note the beginning of the conversation when they uncover the plans for Phase 2 and find that SHIELD has been gathering a lot of material around the Tessearct. This is not exactly an overnight process so must have been going on for a while.




                TONY: And you’ll get your cube back, no muss, no fuss. What is Phase Two?



                Steve enters, and slams a large HYDRA gun on the table.



                STEVE: Phase Two is SHIELD used the Cube to make weapons. (to Tony) Sorry, computer was moving a little slow for me.



                FURY: Rogers, we gathered everything related to the Tesseract. This does not mean that we’re-



                TONY: I’m sorry, Nick. Tony turns the screen towards Fury. It shows a plan for some a missile. What were you lying?



                The Avengers




                Fury then goes on to say it was the appearance of the superheroes, supervillains and people like Thor on Earth that made them want to start looking into weapons technology. It wasn't necessarily aliens on their own which made them want to look into weapons technology.




                BANNER: I’d like to know why SHIELD is using the Tesseract to build weapons of mass destruction.



                FURY: (pointing at Thor) Because of him.



                THOR: Me?



                FURY: Last year Earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that leveled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly hilariously, out-gunned.



                THOR: My people want nothing but peace with your planet.



                FURY: But you’re not the only people out there, are you? And, you’re not the only threat. The world’s filling up with people who can’t be matched, they can’t be controlled.



                STEVE: Like you controlled the cube!



                THOR: Your work with the Tesseract is what drew Loki to it, and his allies. It is the signal to all the realms that the earth is ready for A HIGHER FORM OF WAR.



                STEVE: A higher form?!



                FURY: You forced our hand! We had to come up with some-



                TONY: Nuclear deterrent! ’Cause that always calms everything right down.



                The Avengers




                That said SHIELD has had the Tesseact since the events of Captain Marvel and have probably been researching into it since then. But even with all that time they aren't actually ready to properly develop stuff out of it. It's possible since the events of CM that they have simply been trying to control the Tesseract and haven't actually properly managed to do that yet. We see in The Avengers that they still don't have any control over it.




                FURY: We prepared for this, Doctor. Harnessing energy from space.



                SELVIG: We don’t have the harness. My calculations are far from complete. She’s throwing off interference, radiation. Nothing harmful, low levels of Gamma radiation.



                The Avengers







                COUNCILMAN: Which is why you should be focusing on Phase Two, it was designed for exactly this purpose.



                FURY: Phase Two isn’t ready; our enemy is. We need a response team.



                The Avengers







                share|improve this answer













                It would appear as if Fury was telling the truth to the Avengers and that research into the Tesseract was undergoing since SHIELD got it back at the end of Captain Marvel. However, Phase 2 itself was not on the way until after the events in Thor, this is backed up by Coulson who repeats what Fury said to the Avengers.




                Loki moves to open the chute beneath the cell, dropping Thor to, what for any regular person, would be certain death. Coulson suddenly appears, wielding a large prototype Phase Two weapon.



                AGENT COULSON: Move away please.



                Loki steps back from the panel. Coulson gestures to the gun.



                AGENT COULSON: Do you like this? We started working on the prototype after you sent the Destroyer. Even I don’t know what it does. Do you wanna find out?



                The Avengers




                The fact that the Phase 2 project is only in prototype stage which would back up the theory that Phase 2 itself was relatively new but that research into the Tesseract has been going on for a while.



                Note the beginning of the conversation when they uncover the plans for Phase 2 and find that SHIELD has been gathering a lot of material around the Tessearct. This is not exactly an overnight process so must have been going on for a while.




                TONY: And you’ll get your cube back, no muss, no fuss. What is Phase Two?



                Steve enters, and slams a large HYDRA gun on the table.



                STEVE: Phase Two is SHIELD used the Cube to make weapons. (to Tony) Sorry, computer was moving a little slow for me.



                FURY: Rogers, we gathered everything related to the Tesseract. This does not mean that we’re-



                TONY: I’m sorry, Nick. Tony turns the screen towards Fury. It shows a plan for some a missile. What were you lying?



                The Avengers




                Fury then goes on to say it was the appearance of the superheroes, supervillains and people like Thor on Earth that made them want to start looking into weapons technology. It wasn't necessarily aliens on their own which made them want to look into weapons technology.




                BANNER: I’d like to know why SHIELD is using the Tesseract to build weapons of mass destruction.



                FURY: (pointing at Thor) Because of him.



                THOR: Me?



                FURY: Last year Earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that leveled a small town. We learned that not only are we not alone, but we are hopelessly hilariously, out-gunned.



                THOR: My people want nothing but peace with your planet.



                FURY: But you’re not the only people out there, are you? And, you’re not the only threat. The world’s filling up with people who can’t be matched, they can’t be controlled.



                STEVE: Like you controlled the cube!



                THOR: Your work with the Tesseract is what drew Loki to it, and his allies. It is the signal to all the realms that the earth is ready for A HIGHER FORM OF WAR.



                STEVE: A higher form?!



                FURY: You forced our hand! We had to come up with some-



                TONY: Nuclear deterrent! ’Cause that always calms everything right down.



                The Avengers




                That said SHIELD has had the Tesseact since the events of Captain Marvel and have probably been researching into it since then. But even with all that time they aren't actually ready to properly develop stuff out of it. It's possible since the events of CM that they have simply been trying to control the Tesseract and haven't actually properly managed to do that yet. We see in The Avengers that they still don't have any control over it.




                FURY: We prepared for this, Doctor. Harnessing energy from space.



                SELVIG: We don’t have the harness. My calculations are far from complete. She’s throwing off interference, radiation. Nothing harmful, low levels of Gamma radiation.



                The Avengers







                COUNCILMAN: Which is why you should be focusing on Phase Two, it was designed for exactly this purpose.



                FURY: Phase Two isn’t ready; our enemy is. We need a response team.



                The Avengers








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