How to handle being asked to automate jobs as a temp worker
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I have been working as a temporary worker at a large ($13+ billion/yr) company for some time now. My job is a typical $15/hr office job where I do paperwork, place orders and bill people. At some point, I automated half my job and the higher ups found out. Recently, I figured out how to completely automate my job and I let it slip in the presence of the vice president of our division that I could do so. Moral of the story, they want me to completely automate the ordering process and billing processes for our division of the company, which would effectively replace my job... as a temp worker... who's not supposed to be doing this (outside my job description)... for $15 an hour.
Now I'm no expert, but that doesn't seem to be a smart move. I have raised my concerns and stated that I wish to have a more permanent position in the company before doing this, to which they basically told me to look around the company and maybe I'll get something somewhere and I can continue working on this on the side.
I need advice here. As someone new to the workplace, I do not know the proper way to handle something like this. Do I complete the program as a temp, take some random job here and complete it, or let my time expire here and not look back? Or some fourth option I'm not thinking of? Any help/opinions would be greatly appreciated!
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I have been working as a temporary worker at a large ($13+ billion/yr) company for some time now. My job is a typical $15/hr office job where I do paperwork, place orders and bill people. At some point, I automated half my job and the higher ups found out. Recently, I figured out how to completely automate my job and I let it slip in the presence of the vice president of our division that I could do so. Moral of the story, they want me to completely automate the ordering process and billing processes for our division of the company, which would effectively replace my job... as a temp worker... who's not supposed to be doing this (outside my job description)... for $15 an hour.
Now I'm no expert, but that doesn't seem to be a smart move. I have raised my concerns and stated that I wish to have a more permanent position in the company before doing this, to which they basically told me to look around the company and maybe I'll get something somewhere and I can continue working on this on the side.
I need advice here. As someone new to the workplace, I do not know the proper way to handle something like this. Do I complete the program as a temp, take some random job here and complete it, or let my time expire here and not look back? Or some fourth option I'm not thinking of? Any help/opinions would be greatly appreciated!
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When you say things like, "whos not supposed to be doing this" - is your concern that this task is outside your job description? Or is your concern that by completing this task, you'll be eliminating your own position?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
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What were you hired to do? If you're being asked to do something outside of your job description you have the right to decline but they also have the right to terminate you.
– sf02
5 hours ago
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@Dave you could do it for $15 an hour, or they can hire someone who will and you can sit home for $0 an hour (IMO)
– SaggingRufus
5 hours ago
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If you don't want to do the work you are asked to do, find a new job and quit this one. Otherwise, you do the work that is assigned to you.
– Joe Strazzere
5 hours ago
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@Dave you should hold off on accepting my answer. There are many people on this SE that are very knowledgeable. Give it a day before accepting and you may get a better answer
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5 hours ago
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I have been working as a temporary worker at a large ($13+ billion/yr) company for some time now. My job is a typical $15/hr office job where I do paperwork, place orders and bill people. At some point, I automated half my job and the higher ups found out. Recently, I figured out how to completely automate my job and I let it slip in the presence of the vice president of our division that I could do so. Moral of the story, they want me to completely automate the ordering process and billing processes for our division of the company, which would effectively replace my job... as a temp worker... who's not supposed to be doing this (outside my job description)... for $15 an hour.
Now I'm no expert, but that doesn't seem to be a smart move. I have raised my concerns and stated that I wish to have a more permanent position in the company before doing this, to which they basically told me to look around the company and maybe I'll get something somewhere and I can continue working on this on the side.
I need advice here. As someone new to the workplace, I do not know the proper way to handle something like this. Do I complete the program as a temp, take some random job here and complete it, or let my time expire here and not look back? Or some fourth option I'm not thinking of? Any help/opinions would be greatly appreciated!
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I have been working as a temporary worker at a large ($13+ billion/yr) company for some time now. My job is a typical $15/hr office job where I do paperwork, place orders and bill people. At some point, I automated half my job and the higher ups found out. Recently, I figured out how to completely automate my job and I let it slip in the presence of the vice president of our division that I could do so. Moral of the story, they want me to completely automate the ordering process and billing processes for our division of the company, which would effectively replace my job... as a temp worker... who's not supposed to be doing this (outside my job description)... for $15 an hour.
Now I'm no expert, but that doesn't seem to be a smart move. I have raised my concerns and stated that I wish to have a more permanent position in the company before doing this, to which they basically told me to look around the company and maybe I'll get something somewhere and I can continue working on this on the side.
I need advice here. As someone new to the workplace, I do not know the proper way to handle something like this. Do I complete the program as a temp, take some random job here and complete it, or let my time expire here and not look back? Or some fourth option I'm not thinking of? Any help/opinions would be greatly appreciated!
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When you say things like, "whos not supposed to be doing this" - is your concern that this task is outside your job description? Or is your concern that by completing this task, you'll be eliminating your own position?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
1
What were you hired to do? If you're being asked to do something outside of your job description you have the right to decline but they also have the right to terminate you.
– sf02
5 hours ago
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@Dave you could do it for $15 an hour, or they can hire someone who will and you can sit home for $0 an hour (IMO)
– SaggingRufus
5 hours ago
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If you don't want to do the work you are asked to do, find a new job and quit this one. Otherwise, you do the work that is assigned to you.
– Joe Strazzere
5 hours ago
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@Dave you should hold off on accepting my answer. There are many people on this SE that are very knowledgeable. Give it a day before accepting and you may get a better answer
– SaggingRufus
5 hours ago
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When you say things like, "whos not supposed to be doing this" - is your concern that this task is outside your job description? Or is your concern that by completing this task, you'll be eliminating your own position?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
1
What were you hired to do? If you're being asked to do something outside of your job description you have the right to decline but they also have the right to terminate you.
– sf02
5 hours ago
1
@Dave you could do it for $15 an hour, or they can hire someone who will and you can sit home for $0 an hour (IMO)
– SaggingRufus
5 hours ago
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If you don't want to do the work you are asked to do, find a new job and quit this one. Otherwise, you do the work that is assigned to you.
– Joe Strazzere
5 hours ago
2
@Dave you should hold off on accepting my answer. There are many people on this SE that are very knowledgeable. Give it a day before accepting and you may get a better answer
– SaggingRufus
5 hours ago
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When you say things like, "whos not supposed to be doing this" - is your concern that this task is outside your job description? Or is your concern that by completing this task, you'll be eliminating your own position?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
When you say things like, "whos not supposed to be doing this" - is your concern that this task is outside your job description? Or is your concern that by completing this task, you'll be eliminating your own position?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
1
1
What were you hired to do? If you're being asked to do something outside of your job description you have the right to decline but they also have the right to terminate you.
– sf02
5 hours ago
What were you hired to do? If you're being asked to do something outside of your job description you have the right to decline but they also have the right to terminate you.
– sf02
5 hours ago
1
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@Dave you could do it for $15 an hour, or they can hire someone who will and you can sit home for $0 an hour (IMO)
– SaggingRufus
5 hours ago
@Dave you could do it for $15 an hour, or they can hire someone who will and you can sit home for $0 an hour (IMO)
– SaggingRufus
5 hours ago
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If you don't want to do the work you are asked to do, find a new job and quit this one. Otherwise, you do the work that is assigned to you.
– Joe Strazzere
5 hours ago
If you don't want to do the work you are asked to do, find a new job and quit this one. Otherwise, you do the work that is assigned to you.
– Joe Strazzere
5 hours ago
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@Dave you should hold off on accepting my answer. There are many people on this SE that are very knowledgeable. Give it a day before accepting and you may get a better answer
– SaggingRufus
5 hours ago
@Dave you should hold off on accepting my answer. There are many people on this SE that are very knowledgeable. Give it a day before accepting and you may get a better answer
– SaggingRufus
5 hours ago
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I was hired for a 2.5 month contract. I was warned by friends and family not to throw myself into the work and not finish too quickly.
I ignored them, and did the job in 3 weeks. My employer had me budgeted for the full 2.5 months (I did not know this when I did the job). When I finished early, I was asked to assist with a process that was taking 10 hours to run, I sped it up considerably. (about 100 times faster). I did this knowing my contract was ending, but I still did my best.
End result: They asked me to come to work full-time perm.
No, you may not end up in the same place that I did, but dragging your heels, complaining about your pay rate, and saying that things are out of scope of your job are certainly not going to get you a perm job offer.
TLDR:
- Do your best
- Do what is asked of you
- Express interest in the company
- Apply to any openings
- Update your resume
- Apply outside the company.
Demonstrating that you are a good, hard, and ethical worker will either get you hired full time by this company, or give you bragging points at your next interview where you can ask for more money
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This. Any company that doesn't find a permanent place for a worker who is effectively able to automate away the need for an FTE is a company you don't want to work for. Always act in good faith and usually good things follow.
– DanK
4 hours ago
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@DanK said what I was thinking. Either, the company appreciates the value you add by automating it, sees your potential, and brings you on for more work - OR, they figure "well, we automated it, we don't need them" and they let you go - if the second case happens, it's probably not a good long term employer anyways, and now you've gained a good bullet for your resume. How many people looking for $15 temp jobs can claim this kind of automation skills? By doing this project, you may be putting yourself in a higher paygrade bracket for your next gig.
– dwizum
4 hours ago
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Thanks for the reply! This was extremely helpful. I'll probably end up finishing the automation now. I really dont want this specific job but as people said it's putting me in a position for a better one. I didnt really think about that at all until now
– Dave
4 hours ago
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@Dave - One additional note: No competent manager would EVER willingly turn loose of someone who can so thoroughly understand a job as to automate it. Sure, you won't be doing that task any more, but you'll be old and gray before they run out of things that need your attentions.
– Wesley Long
4 hours ago
I've seen something similar. The people who essentially "automate" their positions are the ones companies like to hold onto more, because they want them to move onto the next position and automate that one, too. Ironically, by putting obsoleting their own jobs, they make themselves more valuable overall. Weird...plus at worst you can put all of these amazing things on your resume :)
– rogerdpack
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The problem here is you already proved to them you can an will do it for $15/hr, you already did part of it.
Unfortunately, we often don't get to pick and choose our tasks.
If you decline doing this, you will more than likely be terminated for not doing what was asked of you and they will just hire someone who is willing to do it got $15/hr (trust me there is also someone who will). Then, instead of working yourself out of a job (which you can plan for), you will just find yourself jobless quicker.
Being terminated will look worse on your CV than saying you were able to save a company so much time and money that they longer needed you.
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You have an opportunity here.
Let's say you don't do what you've been tasked with: They will fire you. You don't have a job and you were fired, which is a bad mark for someone who is searching for a new job.
Let's say you do what you've been tasked with: Either they lay you off or you get hired permanently. If you get laid off it's not as bad as being fired, and while it sucks, at least you didn't get fired. If you get hired then great!
Additionally, you:
- Performed requirements discovery about a new position
- Developed a system of some kind to automate 1/2 of the job, saving the company $15k/y, doubling your own productivity, reducing error introduced by manual processing
- Continued developing this system until you were able to completely automate the job, saving an additional 15k/y, reducing errors further and allowing the company to focus on their bottom line and big picture.
What sounds better on the resume then that?
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Great first question. You are right, there is a phenomena of "automating yourself out of the job". I think first time I read about it in Tom Limoncelli's @tomontime blog, he's is extremely bright sysadmin who used to run operations of Google servers, and now works for Stack Exchange (this website).
On practical note, @SaggingRufus writes right things about what might happen. You should do your job, and do what's been asked. Refusing to do so is not going to work well for you.
You have the right though to re-negotiate your position. You say yourself:
as a temp worker... who's not supposed to be doing this (outside my job description)... for $15 an hour.
Each of these points can be used for negotiation:
- this is outside of my job description, I am not comfortable to take more responsibility
- this project might take longer to finish, and I need job stability to fully commit to it
- at that pay rate you won't be able to find someone like me
There is another thing working to your advantage:
I have been working as a temporary worker at a large ($13+ billion/yr) company
Large company means large bureaucracy. There is a risk that they don't care about firing you, but I bet management would rather promote you within the company than to work with outside org to hire somebody to replace you. Any company has infinite amount of problems and finite amount of smart/good workers who know how to solve them.
Quoting Tom:
There's another way to think about it: This is totally different than the auto industry where the introduction of robots resulted in layoffs. In IT, you are the robot!
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What action would you recommend the querent take? These are fair observations, but there doesn't seem to be any specific recommendations about what actions the querent should take to address or resolve their situation, which tend to be important for solving the problem.
– doppelgreener
3 hours ago
@doppelgreener thanks, i will clarify. My suggestion would be present a case for promotion
– aaaaaa
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I love hiring people who have this attitude. I've had many interviews with people where they mentioned that they were in a fairly boring job, and found ways to automate it; those people were much more likely to be hired than people who didn't.
Even when I was working in retail management, I was much more interested in hiring people who had this attitude and competency than weren't. I want people with initiative and the ability to do things like this, rather than people who just push buttons. (Well, sometimes we want button-pushers too, but you probably don't want to be in that role, so, better to avoid it.)
Keep automating, automate your job away, and look for other work. If you're in a temp agency, let your temp agency know to be looking early; if you're doing it on your own, look in the company and elsewhere.
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I was hired for a 2.5 month contract. I was warned by friends and family not to throw myself into the work and not finish too quickly.
I ignored them, and did the job in 3 weeks. My employer had me budgeted for the full 2.5 months (I did not know this when I did the job). When I finished early, I was asked to assist with a process that was taking 10 hours to run, I sped it up considerably. (about 100 times faster). I did this knowing my contract was ending, but I still did my best.
End result: They asked me to come to work full-time perm.
No, you may not end up in the same place that I did, but dragging your heels, complaining about your pay rate, and saying that things are out of scope of your job are certainly not going to get you a perm job offer.
TLDR:
- Do your best
- Do what is asked of you
- Express interest in the company
- Apply to any openings
- Update your resume
- Apply outside the company.
Demonstrating that you are a good, hard, and ethical worker will either get you hired full time by this company, or give you bragging points at your next interview where you can ask for more money
33
This. Any company that doesn't find a permanent place for a worker who is effectively able to automate away the need for an FTE is a company you don't want to work for. Always act in good faith and usually good things follow.
– DanK
4 hours ago
7
@DanK said what I was thinking. Either, the company appreciates the value you add by automating it, sees your potential, and brings you on for more work - OR, they figure "well, we automated it, we don't need them" and they let you go - if the second case happens, it's probably not a good long term employer anyways, and now you've gained a good bullet for your resume. How many people looking for $15 temp jobs can claim this kind of automation skills? By doing this project, you may be putting yourself in a higher paygrade bracket for your next gig.
– dwizum
4 hours ago
1
Thanks for the reply! This was extremely helpful. I'll probably end up finishing the automation now. I really dont want this specific job but as people said it's putting me in a position for a better one. I didnt really think about that at all until now
– Dave
4 hours ago
9
@Dave - One additional note: No competent manager would EVER willingly turn loose of someone who can so thoroughly understand a job as to automate it. Sure, you won't be doing that task any more, but you'll be old and gray before they run out of things that need your attentions.
– Wesley Long
4 hours ago
I've seen something similar. The people who essentially "automate" their positions are the ones companies like to hold onto more, because they want them to move onto the next position and automate that one, too. Ironically, by putting obsoleting their own jobs, they make themselves more valuable overall. Weird...plus at worst you can put all of these amazing things on your resume :)
– rogerdpack
24 mins ago
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I was hired for a 2.5 month contract. I was warned by friends and family not to throw myself into the work and not finish too quickly.
I ignored them, and did the job in 3 weeks. My employer had me budgeted for the full 2.5 months (I did not know this when I did the job). When I finished early, I was asked to assist with a process that was taking 10 hours to run, I sped it up considerably. (about 100 times faster). I did this knowing my contract was ending, but I still did my best.
End result: They asked me to come to work full-time perm.
No, you may not end up in the same place that I did, but dragging your heels, complaining about your pay rate, and saying that things are out of scope of your job are certainly not going to get you a perm job offer.
TLDR:
- Do your best
- Do what is asked of you
- Express interest in the company
- Apply to any openings
- Update your resume
- Apply outside the company.
Demonstrating that you are a good, hard, and ethical worker will either get you hired full time by this company, or give you bragging points at your next interview where you can ask for more money
33
This. Any company that doesn't find a permanent place for a worker who is effectively able to automate away the need for an FTE is a company you don't want to work for. Always act in good faith and usually good things follow.
– DanK
4 hours ago
7
@DanK said what I was thinking. Either, the company appreciates the value you add by automating it, sees your potential, and brings you on for more work - OR, they figure "well, we automated it, we don't need them" and they let you go - if the second case happens, it's probably not a good long term employer anyways, and now you've gained a good bullet for your resume. How many people looking for $15 temp jobs can claim this kind of automation skills? By doing this project, you may be putting yourself in a higher paygrade bracket for your next gig.
– dwizum
4 hours ago
1
Thanks for the reply! This was extremely helpful. I'll probably end up finishing the automation now. I really dont want this specific job but as people said it's putting me in a position for a better one. I didnt really think about that at all until now
– Dave
4 hours ago
9
@Dave - One additional note: No competent manager would EVER willingly turn loose of someone who can so thoroughly understand a job as to automate it. Sure, you won't be doing that task any more, but you'll be old and gray before they run out of things that need your attentions.
– Wesley Long
4 hours ago
I've seen something similar. The people who essentially "automate" their positions are the ones companies like to hold onto more, because they want them to move onto the next position and automate that one, too. Ironically, by putting obsoleting their own jobs, they make themselves more valuable overall. Weird...plus at worst you can put all of these amazing things on your resume :)
– rogerdpack
24 mins ago
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I was hired for a 2.5 month contract. I was warned by friends and family not to throw myself into the work and not finish too quickly.
I ignored them, and did the job in 3 weeks. My employer had me budgeted for the full 2.5 months (I did not know this when I did the job). When I finished early, I was asked to assist with a process that was taking 10 hours to run, I sped it up considerably. (about 100 times faster). I did this knowing my contract was ending, but I still did my best.
End result: They asked me to come to work full-time perm.
No, you may not end up in the same place that I did, but dragging your heels, complaining about your pay rate, and saying that things are out of scope of your job are certainly not going to get you a perm job offer.
TLDR:
- Do your best
- Do what is asked of you
- Express interest in the company
- Apply to any openings
- Update your resume
- Apply outside the company.
Demonstrating that you are a good, hard, and ethical worker will either get you hired full time by this company, or give you bragging points at your next interview where you can ask for more money
I was hired for a 2.5 month contract. I was warned by friends and family not to throw myself into the work and not finish too quickly.
I ignored them, and did the job in 3 weeks. My employer had me budgeted for the full 2.5 months (I did not know this when I did the job). When I finished early, I was asked to assist with a process that was taking 10 hours to run, I sped it up considerably. (about 100 times faster). I did this knowing my contract was ending, but I still did my best.
End result: They asked me to come to work full-time perm.
No, you may not end up in the same place that I did, but dragging your heels, complaining about your pay rate, and saying that things are out of scope of your job are certainly not going to get you a perm job offer.
TLDR:
- Do your best
- Do what is asked of you
- Express interest in the company
- Apply to any openings
- Update your resume
- Apply outside the company.
Demonstrating that you are a good, hard, and ethical worker will either get you hired full time by this company, or give you bragging points at your next interview where you can ask for more money
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This. Any company that doesn't find a permanent place for a worker who is effectively able to automate away the need for an FTE is a company you don't want to work for. Always act in good faith and usually good things follow.
– DanK
4 hours ago
7
@DanK said what I was thinking. Either, the company appreciates the value you add by automating it, sees your potential, and brings you on for more work - OR, they figure "well, we automated it, we don't need them" and they let you go - if the second case happens, it's probably not a good long term employer anyways, and now you've gained a good bullet for your resume. How many people looking for $15 temp jobs can claim this kind of automation skills? By doing this project, you may be putting yourself in a higher paygrade bracket for your next gig.
– dwizum
4 hours ago
1
Thanks for the reply! This was extremely helpful. I'll probably end up finishing the automation now. I really dont want this specific job but as people said it's putting me in a position for a better one. I didnt really think about that at all until now
– Dave
4 hours ago
9
@Dave - One additional note: No competent manager would EVER willingly turn loose of someone who can so thoroughly understand a job as to automate it. Sure, you won't be doing that task any more, but you'll be old and gray before they run out of things that need your attentions.
– Wesley Long
4 hours ago
I've seen something similar. The people who essentially "automate" their positions are the ones companies like to hold onto more, because they want them to move onto the next position and automate that one, too. Ironically, by putting obsoleting their own jobs, they make themselves more valuable overall. Weird...plus at worst you can put all of these amazing things on your resume :)
– rogerdpack
24 mins ago
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This. Any company that doesn't find a permanent place for a worker who is effectively able to automate away the need for an FTE is a company you don't want to work for. Always act in good faith and usually good things follow.
– DanK
4 hours ago
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@DanK said what I was thinking. Either, the company appreciates the value you add by automating it, sees your potential, and brings you on for more work - OR, they figure "well, we automated it, we don't need them" and they let you go - if the second case happens, it's probably not a good long term employer anyways, and now you've gained a good bullet for your resume. How many people looking for $15 temp jobs can claim this kind of automation skills? By doing this project, you may be putting yourself in a higher paygrade bracket for your next gig.
– dwizum
4 hours ago
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Thanks for the reply! This was extremely helpful. I'll probably end up finishing the automation now. I really dont want this specific job but as people said it's putting me in a position for a better one. I didnt really think about that at all until now
– Dave
4 hours ago
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@Dave - One additional note: No competent manager would EVER willingly turn loose of someone who can so thoroughly understand a job as to automate it. Sure, you won't be doing that task any more, but you'll be old and gray before they run out of things that need your attentions.
– Wesley Long
4 hours ago
I've seen something similar. The people who essentially "automate" their positions are the ones companies like to hold onto more, because they want them to move onto the next position and automate that one, too. Ironically, by putting obsoleting their own jobs, they make themselves more valuable overall. Weird...plus at worst you can put all of these amazing things on your resume :)
– rogerdpack
24 mins ago
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This. Any company that doesn't find a permanent place for a worker who is effectively able to automate away the need for an FTE is a company you don't want to work for. Always act in good faith and usually good things follow.
– DanK
4 hours ago
This. Any company that doesn't find a permanent place for a worker who is effectively able to automate away the need for an FTE is a company you don't want to work for. Always act in good faith and usually good things follow.
– DanK
4 hours ago
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@DanK said what I was thinking. Either, the company appreciates the value you add by automating it, sees your potential, and brings you on for more work - OR, they figure "well, we automated it, we don't need them" and they let you go - if the second case happens, it's probably not a good long term employer anyways, and now you've gained a good bullet for your resume. How many people looking for $15 temp jobs can claim this kind of automation skills? By doing this project, you may be putting yourself in a higher paygrade bracket for your next gig.
– dwizum
4 hours ago
@DanK said what I was thinking. Either, the company appreciates the value you add by automating it, sees your potential, and brings you on for more work - OR, they figure "well, we automated it, we don't need them" and they let you go - if the second case happens, it's probably not a good long term employer anyways, and now you've gained a good bullet for your resume. How many people looking for $15 temp jobs can claim this kind of automation skills? By doing this project, you may be putting yourself in a higher paygrade bracket for your next gig.
– dwizum
4 hours ago
1
1
Thanks for the reply! This was extremely helpful. I'll probably end up finishing the automation now. I really dont want this specific job but as people said it's putting me in a position for a better one. I didnt really think about that at all until now
– Dave
4 hours ago
Thanks for the reply! This was extremely helpful. I'll probably end up finishing the automation now. I really dont want this specific job but as people said it's putting me in a position for a better one. I didnt really think about that at all until now
– Dave
4 hours ago
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9
@Dave - One additional note: No competent manager would EVER willingly turn loose of someone who can so thoroughly understand a job as to automate it. Sure, you won't be doing that task any more, but you'll be old and gray before they run out of things that need your attentions.
– Wesley Long
4 hours ago
@Dave - One additional note: No competent manager would EVER willingly turn loose of someone who can so thoroughly understand a job as to automate it. Sure, you won't be doing that task any more, but you'll be old and gray before they run out of things that need your attentions.
– Wesley Long
4 hours ago
I've seen something similar. The people who essentially "automate" their positions are the ones companies like to hold onto more, because they want them to move onto the next position and automate that one, too. Ironically, by putting obsoleting their own jobs, they make themselves more valuable overall. Weird...plus at worst you can put all of these amazing things on your resume :)
– rogerdpack
24 mins ago
I've seen something similar. The people who essentially "automate" their positions are the ones companies like to hold onto more, because they want them to move onto the next position and automate that one, too. Ironically, by putting obsoleting their own jobs, they make themselves more valuable overall. Weird...plus at worst you can put all of these amazing things on your resume :)
– rogerdpack
24 mins ago
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The problem here is you already proved to them you can an will do it for $15/hr, you already did part of it.
Unfortunately, we often don't get to pick and choose our tasks.
If you decline doing this, you will more than likely be terminated for not doing what was asked of you and they will just hire someone who is willing to do it got $15/hr (trust me there is also someone who will). Then, instead of working yourself out of a job (which you can plan for), you will just find yourself jobless quicker.
Being terminated will look worse on your CV than saying you were able to save a company so much time and money that they longer needed you.
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The problem here is you already proved to them you can an will do it for $15/hr, you already did part of it.
Unfortunately, we often don't get to pick and choose our tasks.
If you decline doing this, you will more than likely be terminated for not doing what was asked of you and they will just hire someone who is willing to do it got $15/hr (trust me there is also someone who will). Then, instead of working yourself out of a job (which you can plan for), you will just find yourself jobless quicker.
Being terminated will look worse on your CV than saying you were able to save a company so much time and money that they longer needed you.
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The problem here is you already proved to them you can an will do it for $15/hr, you already did part of it.
Unfortunately, we often don't get to pick and choose our tasks.
If you decline doing this, you will more than likely be terminated for not doing what was asked of you and they will just hire someone who is willing to do it got $15/hr (trust me there is also someone who will). Then, instead of working yourself out of a job (which you can plan for), you will just find yourself jobless quicker.
Being terminated will look worse on your CV than saying you were able to save a company so much time and money that they longer needed you.
The problem here is you already proved to them you can an will do it for $15/hr, you already did part of it.
Unfortunately, we often don't get to pick and choose our tasks.
If you decline doing this, you will more than likely be terminated for not doing what was asked of you and they will just hire someone who is willing to do it got $15/hr (trust me there is also someone who will). Then, instead of working yourself out of a job (which you can plan for), you will just find yourself jobless quicker.
Being terminated will look worse on your CV than saying you were able to save a company so much time and money that they longer needed you.
answered 5 hours ago
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You have an opportunity here.
Let's say you don't do what you've been tasked with: They will fire you. You don't have a job and you were fired, which is a bad mark for someone who is searching for a new job.
Let's say you do what you've been tasked with: Either they lay you off or you get hired permanently. If you get laid off it's not as bad as being fired, and while it sucks, at least you didn't get fired. If you get hired then great!
Additionally, you:
- Performed requirements discovery about a new position
- Developed a system of some kind to automate 1/2 of the job, saving the company $15k/y, doubling your own productivity, reducing error introduced by manual processing
- Continued developing this system until you were able to completely automate the job, saving an additional 15k/y, reducing errors further and allowing the company to focus on their bottom line and big picture.
What sounds better on the resume then that?
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You have an opportunity here.
Let's say you don't do what you've been tasked with: They will fire you. You don't have a job and you were fired, which is a bad mark for someone who is searching for a new job.
Let's say you do what you've been tasked with: Either they lay you off or you get hired permanently. If you get laid off it's not as bad as being fired, and while it sucks, at least you didn't get fired. If you get hired then great!
Additionally, you:
- Performed requirements discovery about a new position
- Developed a system of some kind to automate 1/2 of the job, saving the company $15k/y, doubling your own productivity, reducing error introduced by manual processing
- Continued developing this system until you were able to completely automate the job, saving an additional 15k/y, reducing errors further and allowing the company to focus on their bottom line and big picture.
What sounds better on the resume then that?
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You have an opportunity here.
Let's say you don't do what you've been tasked with: They will fire you. You don't have a job and you were fired, which is a bad mark for someone who is searching for a new job.
Let's say you do what you've been tasked with: Either they lay you off or you get hired permanently. If you get laid off it's not as bad as being fired, and while it sucks, at least you didn't get fired. If you get hired then great!
Additionally, you:
- Performed requirements discovery about a new position
- Developed a system of some kind to automate 1/2 of the job, saving the company $15k/y, doubling your own productivity, reducing error introduced by manual processing
- Continued developing this system until you were able to completely automate the job, saving an additional 15k/y, reducing errors further and allowing the company to focus on their bottom line and big picture.
What sounds better on the resume then that?
You have an opportunity here.
Let's say you don't do what you've been tasked with: They will fire you. You don't have a job and you were fired, which is a bad mark for someone who is searching for a new job.
Let's say you do what you've been tasked with: Either they lay you off or you get hired permanently. If you get laid off it's not as bad as being fired, and while it sucks, at least you didn't get fired. If you get hired then great!
Additionally, you:
- Performed requirements discovery about a new position
- Developed a system of some kind to automate 1/2 of the job, saving the company $15k/y, doubling your own productivity, reducing error introduced by manual processing
- Continued developing this system until you were able to completely automate the job, saving an additional 15k/y, reducing errors further and allowing the company to focus on their bottom line and big picture.
What sounds better on the resume then that?
answered 3 hours ago
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Great first question. You are right, there is a phenomena of "automating yourself out of the job". I think first time I read about it in Tom Limoncelli's @tomontime blog, he's is extremely bright sysadmin who used to run operations of Google servers, and now works for Stack Exchange (this website).
On practical note, @SaggingRufus writes right things about what might happen. You should do your job, and do what's been asked. Refusing to do so is not going to work well for you.
You have the right though to re-negotiate your position. You say yourself:
as a temp worker... who's not supposed to be doing this (outside my job description)... for $15 an hour.
Each of these points can be used for negotiation:
- this is outside of my job description, I am not comfortable to take more responsibility
- this project might take longer to finish, and I need job stability to fully commit to it
- at that pay rate you won't be able to find someone like me
There is another thing working to your advantage:
I have been working as a temporary worker at a large ($13+ billion/yr) company
Large company means large bureaucracy. There is a risk that they don't care about firing you, but I bet management would rather promote you within the company than to work with outside org to hire somebody to replace you. Any company has infinite amount of problems and finite amount of smart/good workers who know how to solve them.
Quoting Tom:
There's another way to think about it: This is totally different than the auto industry where the introduction of robots resulted in layoffs. In IT, you are the robot!
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What action would you recommend the querent take? These are fair observations, but there doesn't seem to be any specific recommendations about what actions the querent should take to address or resolve their situation, which tend to be important for solving the problem.
– doppelgreener
3 hours ago
@doppelgreener thanks, i will clarify. My suggestion would be present a case for promotion
– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
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Great first question. You are right, there is a phenomena of "automating yourself out of the job". I think first time I read about it in Tom Limoncelli's @tomontime blog, he's is extremely bright sysadmin who used to run operations of Google servers, and now works for Stack Exchange (this website).
On practical note, @SaggingRufus writes right things about what might happen. You should do your job, and do what's been asked. Refusing to do so is not going to work well for you.
You have the right though to re-negotiate your position. You say yourself:
as a temp worker... who's not supposed to be doing this (outside my job description)... for $15 an hour.
Each of these points can be used for negotiation:
- this is outside of my job description, I am not comfortable to take more responsibility
- this project might take longer to finish, and I need job stability to fully commit to it
- at that pay rate you won't be able to find someone like me
There is another thing working to your advantage:
I have been working as a temporary worker at a large ($13+ billion/yr) company
Large company means large bureaucracy. There is a risk that they don't care about firing you, but I bet management would rather promote you within the company than to work with outside org to hire somebody to replace you. Any company has infinite amount of problems and finite amount of smart/good workers who know how to solve them.
Quoting Tom:
There's another way to think about it: This is totally different than the auto industry where the introduction of robots resulted in layoffs. In IT, you are the robot!
2
What action would you recommend the querent take? These are fair observations, but there doesn't seem to be any specific recommendations about what actions the querent should take to address or resolve their situation, which tend to be important for solving the problem.
– doppelgreener
3 hours ago
@doppelgreener thanks, i will clarify. My suggestion would be present a case for promotion
– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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1
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up vote
1
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Great first question. You are right, there is a phenomena of "automating yourself out of the job". I think first time I read about it in Tom Limoncelli's @tomontime blog, he's is extremely bright sysadmin who used to run operations of Google servers, and now works for Stack Exchange (this website).
On practical note, @SaggingRufus writes right things about what might happen. You should do your job, and do what's been asked. Refusing to do so is not going to work well for you.
You have the right though to re-negotiate your position. You say yourself:
as a temp worker... who's not supposed to be doing this (outside my job description)... for $15 an hour.
Each of these points can be used for negotiation:
- this is outside of my job description, I am not comfortable to take more responsibility
- this project might take longer to finish, and I need job stability to fully commit to it
- at that pay rate you won't be able to find someone like me
There is another thing working to your advantage:
I have been working as a temporary worker at a large ($13+ billion/yr) company
Large company means large bureaucracy. There is a risk that they don't care about firing you, but I bet management would rather promote you within the company than to work with outside org to hire somebody to replace you. Any company has infinite amount of problems and finite amount of smart/good workers who know how to solve them.
Quoting Tom:
There's another way to think about it: This is totally different than the auto industry where the introduction of robots resulted in layoffs. In IT, you are the robot!
Great first question. You are right, there is a phenomena of "automating yourself out of the job". I think first time I read about it in Tom Limoncelli's @tomontime blog, he's is extremely bright sysadmin who used to run operations of Google servers, and now works for Stack Exchange (this website).
On practical note, @SaggingRufus writes right things about what might happen. You should do your job, and do what's been asked. Refusing to do so is not going to work well for you.
You have the right though to re-negotiate your position. You say yourself:
as a temp worker... who's not supposed to be doing this (outside my job description)... for $15 an hour.
Each of these points can be used for negotiation:
- this is outside of my job description, I am not comfortable to take more responsibility
- this project might take longer to finish, and I need job stability to fully commit to it
- at that pay rate you won't be able to find someone like me
There is another thing working to your advantage:
I have been working as a temporary worker at a large ($13+ billion/yr) company
Large company means large bureaucracy. There is a risk that they don't care about firing you, but I bet management would rather promote you within the company than to work with outside org to hire somebody to replace you. Any company has infinite amount of problems and finite amount of smart/good workers who know how to solve them.
Quoting Tom:
There's another way to think about it: This is totally different than the auto industry where the introduction of robots resulted in layoffs. In IT, you are the robot!
answered 4 hours ago
aaaaaa
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What action would you recommend the querent take? These are fair observations, but there doesn't seem to be any specific recommendations about what actions the querent should take to address or resolve their situation, which tend to be important for solving the problem.
– doppelgreener
3 hours ago
@doppelgreener thanks, i will clarify. My suggestion would be present a case for promotion
– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
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2
What action would you recommend the querent take? These are fair observations, but there doesn't seem to be any specific recommendations about what actions the querent should take to address or resolve their situation, which tend to be important for solving the problem.
– doppelgreener
3 hours ago
@doppelgreener thanks, i will clarify. My suggestion would be present a case for promotion
– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
2
2
What action would you recommend the querent take? These are fair observations, but there doesn't seem to be any specific recommendations about what actions the querent should take to address or resolve their situation, which tend to be important for solving the problem.
– doppelgreener
3 hours ago
What action would you recommend the querent take? These are fair observations, but there doesn't seem to be any specific recommendations about what actions the querent should take to address or resolve their situation, which tend to be important for solving the problem.
– doppelgreener
3 hours ago
@doppelgreener thanks, i will clarify. My suggestion would be present a case for promotion
– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
@doppelgreener thanks, i will clarify. My suggestion would be present a case for promotion
– aaaaaa
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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1
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I love hiring people who have this attitude. I've had many interviews with people where they mentioned that they were in a fairly boring job, and found ways to automate it; those people were much more likely to be hired than people who didn't.
Even when I was working in retail management, I was much more interested in hiring people who had this attitude and competency than weren't. I want people with initiative and the ability to do things like this, rather than people who just push buttons. (Well, sometimes we want button-pushers too, but you probably don't want to be in that role, so, better to avoid it.)
Keep automating, automate your job away, and look for other work. If you're in a temp agency, let your temp agency know to be looking early; if you're doing it on your own, look in the company and elsewhere.
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I love hiring people who have this attitude. I've had many interviews with people where they mentioned that they were in a fairly boring job, and found ways to automate it; those people were much more likely to be hired than people who didn't.
Even when I was working in retail management, I was much more interested in hiring people who had this attitude and competency than weren't. I want people with initiative and the ability to do things like this, rather than people who just push buttons. (Well, sometimes we want button-pushers too, but you probably don't want to be in that role, so, better to avoid it.)
Keep automating, automate your job away, and look for other work. If you're in a temp agency, let your temp agency know to be looking early; if you're doing it on your own, look in the company and elsewhere.
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up vote
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I love hiring people who have this attitude. I've had many interviews with people where they mentioned that they were in a fairly boring job, and found ways to automate it; those people were much more likely to be hired than people who didn't.
Even when I was working in retail management, I was much more interested in hiring people who had this attitude and competency than weren't. I want people with initiative and the ability to do things like this, rather than people who just push buttons. (Well, sometimes we want button-pushers too, but you probably don't want to be in that role, so, better to avoid it.)
Keep automating, automate your job away, and look for other work. If you're in a temp agency, let your temp agency know to be looking early; if you're doing it on your own, look in the company and elsewhere.
I love hiring people who have this attitude. I've had many interviews with people where they mentioned that they were in a fairly boring job, and found ways to automate it; those people were much more likely to be hired than people who didn't.
Even when I was working in retail management, I was much more interested in hiring people who had this attitude and competency than weren't. I want people with initiative and the ability to do things like this, rather than people who just push buttons. (Well, sometimes we want button-pushers too, but you probably don't want to be in that role, so, better to avoid it.)
Keep automating, automate your job away, and look for other work. If you're in a temp agency, let your temp agency know to be looking early; if you're doing it on your own, look in the company and elsewhere.
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When you say things like, "whos not supposed to be doing this" - is your concern that this task is outside your job description? Or is your concern that by completing this task, you'll be eliminating your own position?
– dwizum
5 hours ago
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What were you hired to do? If you're being asked to do something outside of your job description you have the right to decline but they also have the right to terminate you.
– sf02
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@Dave you could do it for $15 an hour, or they can hire someone who will and you can sit home for $0 an hour (IMO)
– SaggingRufus
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If you don't want to do the work you are asked to do, find a new job and quit this one. Otherwise, you do the work that is assigned to you.
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@Dave you should hold off on accepting my answer. There are many people on this SE that are very knowledgeable. Give it a day before accepting and you may get a better answer
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