Trying to understand what a Method is, how can it be 'part of a class'?











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I've done some work with functions in Javascript, and thought that a Method was the Ruby name for the same. I recently did a technical interview and the interviewer was trying to help me debug by explaining how Methods were part of a class, and that it's an OOP thing.



I can't spot a functional difference between a Method and an equivalent Function, so I don't see what classes have to do with it.



Can you explain the whole 'Methods are part of a class' thing and why it matters? How can a Method be part of a class? Class as in an integer or a string?



The interviewer believed it would help, but it seems like a tiny technicality more than something useful.










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    Well, ruby doesn't have functions. Only methods. And they all belong to some class.
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    "and why it matters" - classes are "data + behaviour". Methods are the behaviour part. Without them, classes become just dumb structs and are much less useful (from OOP perspective anyway)
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 14:22












  • @SergioTulentsev Doesnt ruby lambdas kind of a functions in js?
    – Martin Zinovsky
    Nov 21 at 14:33






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    @MartinZinovsky: similar, but not quite the same. 1) They are fully-fledged objects themselves and because of that 2) they are not directly invocable (you can't do my_lambda(), only my_lambda.call or my_lambda.() or one of 50 other ways)
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 15:04






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    "How can a Method be part of a class?" – by definition, that's essentially what makes it a method.
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    Nov 21 at 16:18















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I've done some work with functions in Javascript, and thought that a Method was the Ruby name for the same. I recently did a technical interview and the interviewer was trying to help me debug by explaining how Methods were part of a class, and that it's an OOP thing.



I can't spot a functional difference between a Method and an equivalent Function, so I don't see what classes have to do with it.



Can you explain the whole 'Methods are part of a class' thing and why it matters? How can a Method be part of a class? Class as in an integer or a string?



The interviewer believed it would help, but it seems like a tiny technicality more than something useful.










share|improve this question


















  • 1




    Well, ruby doesn't have functions. Only methods. And they all belong to some class.
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 14:16








  • 2




    "and why it matters" - classes are "data + behaviour". Methods are the behaviour part. Without them, classes become just dumb structs and are much less useful (from OOP perspective anyway)
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 14:22












  • @SergioTulentsev Doesnt ruby lambdas kind of a functions in js?
    – Martin Zinovsky
    Nov 21 at 14:33






  • 2




    @MartinZinovsky: similar, but not quite the same. 1) They are fully-fledged objects themselves and because of that 2) they are not directly invocable (you can't do my_lambda(), only my_lambda.call or my_lambda.() or one of 50 other ways)
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 15:04






  • 2




    "How can a Method be part of a class?" – by definition, that's essentially what makes it a method.
    – Stefan
    Nov 21 at 16:18













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I've done some work with functions in Javascript, and thought that a Method was the Ruby name for the same. I recently did a technical interview and the interviewer was trying to help me debug by explaining how Methods were part of a class, and that it's an OOP thing.



I can't spot a functional difference between a Method and an equivalent Function, so I don't see what classes have to do with it.



Can you explain the whole 'Methods are part of a class' thing and why it matters? How can a Method be part of a class? Class as in an integer or a string?



The interviewer believed it would help, but it seems like a tiny technicality more than something useful.










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I've done some work with functions in Javascript, and thought that a Method was the Ruby name for the same. I recently did a technical interview and the interviewer was trying to help me debug by explaining how Methods were part of a class, and that it's an OOP thing.



I can't spot a functional difference between a Method and an equivalent Function, so I don't see what classes have to do with it.



Can you explain the whole 'Methods are part of a class' thing and why it matters? How can a Method be part of a class? Class as in an integer or a string?



The interviewer believed it would help, but it seems like a tiny technicality more than something useful.







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    Well, ruby doesn't have functions. Only methods. And they all belong to some class.
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 14:16








  • 2




    "and why it matters" - classes are "data + behaviour". Methods are the behaviour part. Without them, classes become just dumb structs and are much less useful (from OOP perspective anyway)
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 14:22












  • @SergioTulentsev Doesnt ruby lambdas kind of a functions in js?
    – Martin Zinovsky
    Nov 21 at 14:33






  • 2




    @MartinZinovsky: similar, but not quite the same. 1) They are fully-fledged objects themselves and because of that 2) they are not directly invocable (you can't do my_lambda(), only my_lambda.call or my_lambda.() or one of 50 other ways)
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 15:04






  • 2




    "How can a Method be part of a class?" – by definition, that's essentially what makes it a method.
    – Stefan
    Nov 21 at 16:18














  • 1




    Well, ruby doesn't have functions. Only methods. And they all belong to some class.
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 14:16








  • 2




    "and why it matters" - classes are "data + behaviour". Methods are the behaviour part. Without them, classes become just dumb structs and are much less useful (from OOP perspective anyway)
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 14:22












  • @SergioTulentsev Doesnt ruby lambdas kind of a functions in js?
    – Martin Zinovsky
    Nov 21 at 14:33






  • 2




    @MartinZinovsky: similar, but not quite the same. 1) They are fully-fledged objects themselves and because of that 2) they are not directly invocable (you can't do my_lambda(), only my_lambda.call or my_lambda.() or one of 50 other ways)
    – Sergio Tulentsev
    Nov 21 at 15:04






  • 2




    "How can a Method be part of a class?" – by definition, that's essentially what makes it a method.
    – Stefan
    Nov 21 at 16:18








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Well, ruby doesn't have functions. Only methods. And they all belong to some class.
– Sergio Tulentsev
Nov 21 at 14:16






Well, ruby doesn't have functions. Only methods. And they all belong to some class.
– Sergio Tulentsev
Nov 21 at 14:16






2




2




"and why it matters" - classes are "data + behaviour". Methods are the behaviour part. Without them, classes become just dumb structs and are much less useful (from OOP perspective anyway)
– Sergio Tulentsev
Nov 21 at 14:22






"and why it matters" - classes are "data + behaviour". Methods are the behaviour part. Without them, classes become just dumb structs and are much less useful (from OOP perspective anyway)
– Sergio Tulentsev
Nov 21 at 14:22














@SergioTulentsev Doesnt ruby lambdas kind of a functions in js?
– Martin Zinovsky
Nov 21 at 14:33




@SergioTulentsev Doesnt ruby lambdas kind of a functions in js?
– Martin Zinovsky
Nov 21 at 14:33




2




2




@MartinZinovsky: similar, but not quite the same. 1) They are fully-fledged objects themselves and because of that 2) they are not directly invocable (you can't do my_lambda(), only my_lambda.call or my_lambda.() or one of 50 other ways)
– Sergio Tulentsev
Nov 21 at 15:04




@MartinZinovsky: similar, but not quite the same. 1) They are fully-fledged objects themselves and because of that 2) they are not directly invocable (you can't do my_lambda(), only my_lambda.call or my_lambda.() or one of 50 other ways)
– Sergio Tulentsev
Nov 21 at 15:04




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"How can a Method be part of a class?" – by definition, that's essentially what makes it a method.
– Stefan
Nov 21 at 16:18




"How can a Method be part of a class?" – by definition, that's essentially what makes it a method.
– Stefan
Nov 21 at 16:18












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Can you explain the whole 'Methods are part of a class' thing and why it matters? How can a Method be part of a class? Class as in an integer or a string?




Let's say you have two classes, Apple and Cake. Let's assume that when you sell an apple, it has a tax rate of 10%, and cake 20%. By splitting the methods into individual classes, we can define a different method for 'price_with_tax' to each class:



class Apple < ApplicationRecord
def price_with_tax
self.price * 1.1
end
end

class Cake < ApplicationRecord
def price_with_tax
self.price * 1.2
end
end


In javascript we wouldn't be able to do this, and would need to have 2 methods, 'add 10% tax' and 'add 20% tax'. By structuring the methods as we have, we're able to do:



apple = Apple.find(1)
cake = Cake.find(1)
cake.price_with_tax
apple.price_with_tax





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  • I think I get it, part of the problem was my understanding of what a class was. So is it that a Method requires a class, that is to say some information that can be contained within or without of the Method to work, and that the information is considered an object in itself?
    – Jules
    Nov 21 at 15:49








  • 2




    I think your confusions comes from using functions in JS which don't require a class. You can call any function you've defined from anywhere in your code. Class orientated design is pretty much the opposite of this - you want the same method (function name) to do different things to different classes. A ruby method has to operate on a class (and where it looks like you aren't calling it on a class it's in fact happening without you realising - like when you call a method in a controller, the method is called on an instance of that controller class)
    – Mark
    Nov 21 at 16:52


















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Methods are generally something that a class can do,
class MailClient(for example) might have methods such as sendMail, getMail, forwardMail, etc. In OOP, methods should for the most part be something that a class can do.



    MailClient.getMail();


The above code can be conceptualized as telling the class to invoke its getMail() behavior.



You may think of this in real-life terms such as:



Dog.bark();



Objects have behavior and attributes, the behaviors are the methods.






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  • So my understanding now is that you can create some information as a class, and then apply a Method to it. Does a Method always require a class, and would you say that Methods are built around classes?
    – Jules
    Nov 21 at 15:54






  • 2




    Methods/Functions in JavaScript do not require a class, although it helps greatly with code organization, and can improve readability by logically grouping a class's specific functions together. I would suggest reading more on JavaScript classes as they work differently than some OOP languages today. A lot of it boils down to personal preference, however, following known JavaScript coding conventions will make your code more easily understandable by a wider array of audiences.
    – Dustin R
    Nov 21 at 16:34











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Can you explain the whole 'Methods are part of a class' thing and why it matters? How can a Method be part of a class? Class as in an integer or a string?




Let's say you have two classes, Apple and Cake. Let's assume that when you sell an apple, it has a tax rate of 10%, and cake 20%. By splitting the methods into individual classes, we can define a different method for 'price_with_tax' to each class:



class Apple < ApplicationRecord
def price_with_tax
self.price * 1.1
end
end

class Cake < ApplicationRecord
def price_with_tax
self.price * 1.2
end
end


In javascript we wouldn't be able to do this, and would need to have 2 methods, 'add 10% tax' and 'add 20% tax'. By structuring the methods as we have, we're able to do:



apple = Apple.find(1)
cake = Cake.find(1)
cake.price_with_tax
apple.price_with_tax





share|improve this answer





















  • I think I get it, part of the problem was my understanding of what a class was. So is it that a Method requires a class, that is to say some information that can be contained within or without of the Method to work, and that the information is considered an object in itself?
    – Jules
    Nov 21 at 15:49








  • 2




    I think your confusions comes from using functions in JS which don't require a class. You can call any function you've defined from anywhere in your code. Class orientated design is pretty much the opposite of this - you want the same method (function name) to do different things to different classes. A ruby method has to operate on a class (and where it looks like you aren't calling it on a class it's in fact happening without you realising - like when you call a method in a controller, the method is called on an instance of that controller class)
    – Mark
    Nov 21 at 16:52















up vote
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Can you explain the whole 'Methods are part of a class' thing and why it matters? How can a Method be part of a class? Class as in an integer or a string?




Let's say you have two classes, Apple and Cake. Let's assume that when you sell an apple, it has a tax rate of 10%, and cake 20%. By splitting the methods into individual classes, we can define a different method for 'price_with_tax' to each class:



class Apple < ApplicationRecord
def price_with_tax
self.price * 1.1
end
end

class Cake < ApplicationRecord
def price_with_tax
self.price * 1.2
end
end


In javascript we wouldn't be able to do this, and would need to have 2 methods, 'add 10% tax' and 'add 20% tax'. By structuring the methods as we have, we're able to do:



apple = Apple.find(1)
cake = Cake.find(1)
cake.price_with_tax
apple.price_with_tax





share|improve this answer





















  • I think I get it, part of the problem was my understanding of what a class was. So is it that a Method requires a class, that is to say some information that can be contained within or without of the Method to work, and that the information is considered an object in itself?
    – Jules
    Nov 21 at 15:49








  • 2




    I think your confusions comes from using functions in JS which don't require a class. You can call any function you've defined from anywhere in your code. Class orientated design is pretty much the opposite of this - you want the same method (function name) to do different things to different classes. A ruby method has to operate on a class (and where it looks like you aren't calling it on a class it's in fact happening without you realising - like when you call a method in a controller, the method is called on an instance of that controller class)
    – Mark
    Nov 21 at 16:52













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up vote
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Can you explain the whole 'Methods are part of a class' thing and why it matters? How can a Method be part of a class? Class as in an integer or a string?




Let's say you have two classes, Apple and Cake. Let's assume that when you sell an apple, it has a tax rate of 10%, and cake 20%. By splitting the methods into individual classes, we can define a different method for 'price_with_tax' to each class:



class Apple < ApplicationRecord
def price_with_tax
self.price * 1.1
end
end

class Cake < ApplicationRecord
def price_with_tax
self.price * 1.2
end
end


In javascript we wouldn't be able to do this, and would need to have 2 methods, 'add 10% tax' and 'add 20% tax'. By structuring the methods as we have, we're able to do:



apple = Apple.find(1)
cake = Cake.find(1)
cake.price_with_tax
apple.price_with_tax





share|improve this answer













Can you explain the whole 'Methods are part of a class' thing and why it matters? How can a Method be part of a class? Class as in an integer or a string?




Let's say you have two classes, Apple and Cake. Let's assume that when you sell an apple, it has a tax rate of 10%, and cake 20%. By splitting the methods into individual classes, we can define a different method for 'price_with_tax' to each class:



class Apple < ApplicationRecord
def price_with_tax
self.price * 1.1
end
end

class Cake < ApplicationRecord
def price_with_tax
self.price * 1.2
end
end


In javascript we wouldn't be able to do this, and would need to have 2 methods, 'add 10% tax' and 'add 20% tax'. By structuring the methods as we have, we're able to do:



apple = Apple.find(1)
cake = Cake.find(1)
cake.price_with_tax
apple.price_with_tax






share|improve this answer












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Mark

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  • I think I get it, part of the problem was my understanding of what a class was. So is it that a Method requires a class, that is to say some information that can be contained within or without of the Method to work, and that the information is considered an object in itself?
    – Jules
    Nov 21 at 15:49








  • 2




    I think your confusions comes from using functions in JS which don't require a class. You can call any function you've defined from anywhere in your code. Class orientated design is pretty much the opposite of this - you want the same method (function name) to do different things to different classes. A ruby method has to operate on a class (and where it looks like you aren't calling it on a class it's in fact happening without you realising - like when you call a method in a controller, the method is called on an instance of that controller class)
    – Mark
    Nov 21 at 16:52


















  • I think I get it, part of the problem was my understanding of what a class was. So is it that a Method requires a class, that is to say some information that can be contained within or without of the Method to work, and that the information is considered an object in itself?
    – Jules
    Nov 21 at 15:49








  • 2




    I think your confusions comes from using functions in JS which don't require a class. You can call any function you've defined from anywhere in your code. Class orientated design is pretty much the opposite of this - you want the same method (function name) to do different things to different classes. A ruby method has to operate on a class (and where it looks like you aren't calling it on a class it's in fact happening without you realising - like when you call a method in a controller, the method is called on an instance of that controller class)
    – Mark
    Nov 21 at 16:52
















I think I get it, part of the problem was my understanding of what a class was. So is it that a Method requires a class, that is to say some information that can be contained within or without of the Method to work, and that the information is considered an object in itself?
– Jules
Nov 21 at 15:49






I think I get it, part of the problem was my understanding of what a class was. So is it that a Method requires a class, that is to say some information that can be contained within or without of the Method to work, and that the information is considered an object in itself?
– Jules
Nov 21 at 15:49






2




2




I think your confusions comes from using functions in JS which don't require a class. You can call any function you've defined from anywhere in your code. Class orientated design is pretty much the opposite of this - you want the same method (function name) to do different things to different classes. A ruby method has to operate on a class (and where it looks like you aren't calling it on a class it's in fact happening without you realising - like when you call a method in a controller, the method is called on an instance of that controller class)
– Mark
Nov 21 at 16:52




I think your confusions comes from using functions in JS which don't require a class. You can call any function you've defined from anywhere in your code. Class orientated design is pretty much the opposite of this - you want the same method (function name) to do different things to different classes. A ruby method has to operate on a class (and where it looks like you aren't calling it on a class it's in fact happening without you realising - like when you call a method in a controller, the method is called on an instance of that controller class)
– Mark
Nov 21 at 16:52












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2
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Methods are generally something that a class can do,
class MailClient(for example) might have methods such as sendMail, getMail, forwardMail, etc. In OOP, methods should for the most part be something that a class can do.



    MailClient.getMail();


The above code can be conceptualized as telling the class to invoke its getMail() behavior.



You may think of this in real-life terms such as:



Dog.bark();



Objects have behavior and attributes, the behaviors are the methods.






share|improve this answer





















  • So my understanding now is that you can create some information as a class, and then apply a Method to it. Does a Method always require a class, and would you say that Methods are built around classes?
    – Jules
    Nov 21 at 15:54






  • 2




    Methods/Functions in JavaScript do not require a class, although it helps greatly with code organization, and can improve readability by logically grouping a class's specific functions together. I would suggest reading more on JavaScript classes as they work differently than some OOP languages today. A lot of it boils down to personal preference, however, following known JavaScript coding conventions will make your code more easily understandable by a wider array of audiences.
    – Dustin R
    Nov 21 at 16:34















up vote
2
down vote













Methods are generally something that a class can do,
class MailClient(for example) might have methods such as sendMail, getMail, forwardMail, etc. In OOP, methods should for the most part be something that a class can do.



    MailClient.getMail();


The above code can be conceptualized as telling the class to invoke its getMail() behavior.



You may think of this in real-life terms such as:



Dog.bark();



Objects have behavior and attributes, the behaviors are the methods.






share|improve this answer





















  • So my understanding now is that you can create some information as a class, and then apply a Method to it. Does a Method always require a class, and would you say that Methods are built around classes?
    – Jules
    Nov 21 at 15:54






  • 2




    Methods/Functions in JavaScript do not require a class, although it helps greatly with code organization, and can improve readability by logically grouping a class's specific functions together. I would suggest reading more on JavaScript classes as they work differently than some OOP languages today. A lot of it boils down to personal preference, however, following known JavaScript coding conventions will make your code more easily understandable by a wider array of audiences.
    – Dustin R
    Nov 21 at 16:34













up vote
2
down vote










up vote
2
down vote









Methods are generally something that a class can do,
class MailClient(for example) might have methods such as sendMail, getMail, forwardMail, etc. In OOP, methods should for the most part be something that a class can do.



    MailClient.getMail();


The above code can be conceptualized as telling the class to invoke its getMail() behavior.



You may think of this in real-life terms such as:



Dog.bark();



Objects have behavior and attributes, the behaviors are the methods.






share|improve this answer












Methods are generally something that a class can do,
class MailClient(for example) might have methods such as sendMail, getMail, forwardMail, etc. In OOP, methods should for the most part be something that a class can do.



    MailClient.getMail();


The above code can be conceptualized as telling the class to invoke its getMail() behavior.



You may think of this in real-life terms such as:



Dog.bark();



Objects have behavior and attributes, the behaviors are the methods.







share|improve this answer












share|improve this answer



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Dustin R

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  • So my understanding now is that you can create some information as a class, and then apply a Method to it. Does a Method always require a class, and would you say that Methods are built around classes?
    – Jules
    Nov 21 at 15:54






  • 2




    Methods/Functions in JavaScript do not require a class, although it helps greatly with code organization, and can improve readability by logically grouping a class's specific functions together. I would suggest reading more on JavaScript classes as they work differently than some OOP languages today. A lot of it boils down to personal preference, however, following known JavaScript coding conventions will make your code more easily understandable by a wider array of audiences.
    – Dustin R
    Nov 21 at 16:34


















  • So my understanding now is that you can create some information as a class, and then apply a Method to it. Does a Method always require a class, and would you say that Methods are built around classes?
    – Jules
    Nov 21 at 15:54






  • 2




    Methods/Functions in JavaScript do not require a class, although it helps greatly with code organization, and can improve readability by logically grouping a class's specific functions together. I would suggest reading more on JavaScript classes as they work differently than some OOP languages today. A lot of it boils down to personal preference, however, following known JavaScript coding conventions will make your code more easily understandable by a wider array of audiences.
    – Dustin R
    Nov 21 at 16:34
















So my understanding now is that you can create some information as a class, and then apply a Method to it. Does a Method always require a class, and would you say that Methods are built around classes?
– Jules
Nov 21 at 15:54




So my understanding now is that you can create some information as a class, and then apply a Method to it. Does a Method always require a class, and would you say that Methods are built around classes?
– Jules
Nov 21 at 15:54




2




2




Methods/Functions in JavaScript do not require a class, although it helps greatly with code organization, and can improve readability by logically grouping a class's specific functions together. I would suggest reading more on JavaScript classes as they work differently than some OOP languages today. A lot of it boils down to personal preference, however, following known JavaScript coding conventions will make your code more easily understandable by a wider array of audiences.
– Dustin R
Nov 21 at 16:34




Methods/Functions in JavaScript do not require a class, although it helps greatly with code organization, and can improve readability by logically grouping a class's specific functions together. I would suggest reading more on JavaScript classes as they work differently than some OOP languages today. A lot of it boils down to personal preference, however, following known JavaScript coding conventions will make your code more easily understandable by a wider array of audiences.
– Dustin R
Nov 21 at 16:34


















 

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