Is it inappropriate to invite all my coworkers except for one person to a private event?
I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
yesterday
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
yesterday
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It's not a work-related function so no it's inappropriate. I'd recommend adding significant others or other friends to the mix so it isn't just your work friends. Seems less cliquey that way.
– jcmack
yesterday
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
17 hours ago
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
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I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
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It's not a work-related function so no it's inappropriate. I'd recommend adding significant others or other friends to the mix so it isn't just your work friends. Seems less cliquey that way.
– jcmack
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
yesterday
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It's not a work-related function so no it's inappropriate. I'd recommend adding significant others or other friends to the mix so it isn't just your work friends. Seems less cliquey that way.
– jcmack
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
17 hours ago
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
– jcmack
8 hours ago
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
yesterday
Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
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It's not a work-related function so no it's inappropriate. I'd recommend adding significant others or other friends to the mix so it isn't just your work friends. Seems less cliquey that way.
– jcmack
yesterday
It's not a work-related function so no it's inappropriate. I'd recommend adding significant others or other friends to the mix so it isn't just your work friends. Seems less cliquey that way.
– jcmack
yesterday
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
17 hours ago
@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
17 hours ago
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
– jcmack
8 hours ago
@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
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8 hours ago
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whoever you like and exclude whoever you choose.
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And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
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It's not because you get to decide who you invite to your party that it's appropriate to invite everyone but one person. These are two totally unrelated propositions.
– BriseFlots
18 hours ago
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Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
16 hours ago
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@PeterM - ...you would cry too if it happened to you. LOL! Now I can't get that song out of my head.
– Joe Strazzere
14 hours ago
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@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
13 hours ago
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
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The only think I'd change is that here it isn't rude; someone who has harassed you shouldn't expect to be invited anywhere.
– dbeer
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It is rude but like it is rude to insult someone that just punched you, an insult is rude by definition. I think what @thursdaysgeek meant is just that the other employee will feel insulted by being the only one not invited, whether the OP cares about it is up to him.
– Echox
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@Echox very much yes.
– thursdaysgeek
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@Echox I disagree. It would be rude to draw attention to it (announcing something like everyone who isn’t a bigoted, sexually harassing asshole is invited to my house warming party), but simply excluding an unpleasant coworker from your social activities isn’t rude... it’s normal. In adult life, outside of an elementary school classroom, there’s just no obligation to include everyone or no one in a social activity - invite the people you want to invite, and any “socially well adjusted” adult is going to get that and not have a problem with it.
– HopelessN00b
20 hours ago
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@Battle Thelegitimate charges of favouritismbit only applies if the OP is a manager. But if the OP is a manager, has been sexually harassed by one of his coworkers, and hasn't done anything about it at work, then we have an entirely different question on our hands.
– bornfromanegg
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You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
13 hours ago
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Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
That's because for some reason the title says event. If there was an "event" at my house I'd have to call the cops or the FD.
– Mazura
7 hours ago
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While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
4 hours ago
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Yes it would be rude, and the possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
@JonBentley: Imagine you're chatting in a group of eight friends, and a ninth friend comes up and gives a separate, personal "Hi, <name>!" to each individual person in your group . . . except you. Would you not feel snubbed? If they'd only given personal hellos to one or two people, it would feel positive with respect to those people; but by giving them to all but one person, it instead feels negative about that person -- you. If you cared about that friendship, you might even talk to them later to make sure you hadn't offended them in some way.
– ruakh
3 hours ago
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@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
2 hours ago
@JonBentley: If the OP's list of "friends" includes every single coworker except one, then the obvious/natural interpretation is as a snub of that one. (And that interpretation seems to be correct: the OP's motivation for skipping that coworker is indeed that he's a problem, not that he just coincidentally happens to not be the OP's friend.)
– ruakh
2 hours ago
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Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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You mention this person having harassed you and your wife on separate occasions. You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are doubting to invite that one bad person. How will your wife feel about that person being invited, you think, about inviting a harassing person into her own house? How will she react when she finds out you are even considering inviting that person? Why do you even care whether or not this is appropriate?
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
17 hours ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
16 hours ago
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
10 hours ago
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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– V2Blast
10 hours ago
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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– V2Blast
10 hours ago
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
6 hours ago
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
3 hours ago
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
1 hour ago
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
1 hour ago
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
22 hours ago
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@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
22 hours ago
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In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
16 hours ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
6 hours ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
4 hours ago
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
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– V2Blast
10 hours ago
If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
9 hours ago
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
6 hours ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whoever you like and exclude whoever you choose.
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And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
yesterday
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It's not because you get to decide who you invite to your party that it's appropriate to invite everyone but one person. These are two totally unrelated propositions.
– BriseFlots
18 hours ago
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Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
16 hours ago
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@PeterM - ...you would cry too if it happened to you. LOL! Now I can't get that song out of my head.
– Joe Strazzere
14 hours ago
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@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whoever you like and exclude whoever you choose.
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And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
yesterday
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It's not because you get to decide who you invite to your party that it's appropriate to invite everyone but one person. These are two totally unrelated propositions.
– BriseFlots
18 hours ago
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Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
16 hours ago
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@PeterM - ...you would cry too if it happened to you. LOL! Now I can't get that song out of my head.
– Joe Strazzere
14 hours ago
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@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
13 hours ago
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whoever you like and exclude whoever you choose.
Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whoever you like and exclude whoever you choose.
answered yesterday
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
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And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
yesterday
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It's not because you get to decide who you invite to your party that it's appropriate to invite everyone but one person. These are two totally unrelated propositions.
– BriseFlots
18 hours ago
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Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
16 hours ago
4
@PeterM - ...you would cry too if it happened to you. LOL! Now I can't get that song out of my head.
– Joe Strazzere
14 hours ago
5
@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
13 hours ago
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And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
yesterday
2
It's not because you get to decide who you invite to your party that it's appropriate to invite everyone but one person. These are two totally unrelated propositions.
– BriseFlots
18 hours ago
3
Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
16 hours ago
4
@PeterM - ...you would cry too if it happened to you. LOL! Now I can't get that song out of my head.
– Joe Strazzere
14 hours ago
5
@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
13 hours ago
28
28
And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
yesterday
And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
yesterday
2
2
It's not because you get to decide who you invite to your party that it's appropriate to invite everyone but one person. These are two totally unrelated propositions.
– BriseFlots
18 hours ago
It's not because you get to decide who you invite to your party that it's appropriate to invite everyone but one person. These are two totally unrelated propositions.
– BriseFlots
18 hours ago
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3
Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
16 hours ago
Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
16 hours ago
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4
@PeterM - ...you would cry too if it happened to you. LOL! Now I can't get that song out of my head.
– Joe Strazzere
14 hours ago
@PeterM - ...you would cry too if it happened to you. LOL! Now I can't get that song out of my head.
– Joe Strazzere
14 hours ago
5
5
@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
13 hours ago
@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
13 hours ago
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
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The only think I'd change is that here it isn't rude; someone who has harassed you shouldn't expect to be invited anywhere.
– dbeer
yesterday
46
It is rude but like it is rude to insult someone that just punched you, an insult is rude by definition. I think what @thursdaysgeek meant is just that the other employee will feel insulted by being the only one not invited, whether the OP cares about it is up to him.
– Echox
yesterday
6
@Echox very much yes.
– thursdaysgeek
yesterday
34
@Echox I disagree. It would be rude to draw attention to it (announcing something like everyone who isn’t a bigoted, sexually harassing asshole is invited to my house warming party), but simply excluding an unpleasant coworker from your social activities isn’t rude... it’s normal. In adult life, outside of an elementary school classroom, there’s just no obligation to include everyone or no one in a social activity - invite the people you want to invite, and any “socially well adjusted” adult is going to get that and not have a problem with it.
– HopelessN00b
20 hours ago
23
@Battle Thelegitimate charges of favouritismbit only applies if the OP is a manager. But if the OP is a manager, has been sexually harassed by one of his coworkers, and hasn't done anything about it at work, then we have an entirely different question on our hands.
– bornfromanegg
17 hours ago
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
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The only think I'd change is that here it isn't rude; someone who has harassed you shouldn't expect to be invited anywhere.
– dbeer
yesterday
46
It is rude but like it is rude to insult someone that just punched you, an insult is rude by definition. I think what @thursdaysgeek meant is just that the other employee will feel insulted by being the only one not invited, whether the OP cares about it is up to him.
– Echox
yesterday
6
@Echox very much yes.
– thursdaysgeek
yesterday
34
@Echox I disagree. It would be rude to draw attention to it (announcing something like everyone who isn’t a bigoted, sexually harassing asshole is invited to my house warming party), but simply excluding an unpleasant coworker from your social activities isn’t rude... it’s normal. In adult life, outside of an elementary school classroom, there’s just no obligation to include everyone or no one in a social activity - invite the people you want to invite, and any “socially well adjusted” adult is going to get that and not have a problem with it.
– HopelessN00b
20 hours ago
23
@Battle Thelegitimate charges of favouritismbit only applies if the OP is a manager. But if the OP is a manager, has been sexually harassed by one of his coworkers, and hasn't done anything about it at work, then we have an entirely different question on our hands.
– bornfromanegg
17 hours ago
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
answered yesterday
thursdaysgeekthursdaysgeek
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The only think I'd change is that here it isn't rude; someone who has harassed you shouldn't expect to be invited anywhere.
– dbeer
yesterday
46
It is rude but like it is rude to insult someone that just punched you, an insult is rude by definition. I think what @thursdaysgeek meant is just that the other employee will feel insulted by being the only one not invited, whether the OP cares about it is up to him.
– Echox
yesterday
6
@Echox very much yes.
– thursdaysgeek
yesterday
34
@Echox I disagree. It would be rude to draw attention to it (announcing something like everyone who isn’t a bigoted, sexually harassing asshole is invited to my house warming party), but simply excluding an unpleasant coworker from your social activities isn’t rude... it’s normal. In adult life, outside of an elementary school classroom, there’s just no obligation to include everyone or no one in a social activity - invite the people you want to invite, and any “socially well adjusted” adult is going to get that and not have a problem with it.
– HopelessN00b
20 hours ago
23
@Battle Thelegitimate charges of favouritismbit only applies if the OP is a manager. But if the OP is a manager, has been sexually harassed by one of his coworkers, and hasn't done anything about it at work, then we have an entirely different question on our hands.
– bornfromanegg
17 hours ago
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The only think I'd change is that here it isn't rude; someone who has harassed you shouldn't expect to be invited anywhere.
– dbeer
yesterday
46
It is rude but like it is rude to insult someone that just punched you, an insult is rude by definition. I think what @thursdaysgeek meant is just that the other employee will feel insulted by being the only one not invited, whether the OP cares about it is up to him.
– Echox
yesterday
6
@Echox very much yes.
– thursdaysgeek
yesterday
34
@Echox I disagree. It would be rude to draw attention to it (announcing something like everyone who isn’t a bigoted, sexually harassing asshole is invited to my house warming party), but simply excluding an unpleasant coworker from your social activities isn’t rude... it’s normal. In adult life, outside of an elementary school classroom, there’s just no obligation to include everyone or no one in a social activity - invite the people you want to invite, and any “socially well adjusted” adult is going to get that and not have a problem with it.
– HopelessN00b
20 hours ago
23
@Battle Thelegitimate charges of favouritismbit only applies if the OP is a manager. But if the OP is a manager, has been sexually harassed by one of his coworkers, and hasn't done anything about it at work, then we have an entirely different question on our hands.
– bornfromanegg
17 hours ago
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The only think I'd change is that here it isn't rude; someone who has harassed you shouldn't expect to be invited anywhere.
– dbeer
yesterday
The only think I'd change is that here it isn't rude; someone who has harassed you shouldn't expect to be invited anywhere.
– dbeer
yesterday
46
46
It is rude but like it is rude to insult someone that just punched you, an insult is rude by definition. I think what @thursdaysgeek meant is just that the other employee will feel insulted by being the only one not invited, whether the OP cares about it is up to him.
– Echox
yesterday
It is rude but like it is rude to insult someone that just punched you, an insult is rude by definition. I think what @thursdaysgeek meant is just that the other employee will feel insulted by being the only one not invited, whether the OP cares about it is up to him.
– Echox
yesterday
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@Echox very much yes.
– thursdaysgeek
yesterday
@Echox very much yes.
– thursdaysgeek
yesterday
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34
@Echox I disagree. It would be rude to draw attention to it (announcing something like everyone who isn’t a bigoted, sexually harassing asshole is invited to my house warming party), but simply excluding an unpleasant coworker from your social activities isn’t rude... it’s normal. In adult life, outside of an elementary school classroom, there’s just no obligation to include everyone or no one in a social activity - invite the people you want to invite, and any “socially well adjusted” adult is going to get that and not have a problem with it.
– HopelessN00b
20 hours ago
@Echox I disagree. It would be rude to draw attention to it (announcing something like everyone who isn’t a bigoted, sexually harassing asshole is invited to my house warming party), but simply excluding an unpleasant coworker from your social activities isn’t rude... it’s normal. In adult life, outside of an elementary school classroom, there’s just no obligation to include everyone or no one in a social activity - invite the people you want to invite, and any “socially well adjusted” adult is going to get that and not have a problem with it.
– HopelessN00b
20 hours ago
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@Battle The
legitimate charges of favouritism bit only applies if the OP is a manager. But if the OP is a manager, has been sexually harassed by one of his coworkers, and hasn't done anything about it at work, then we have an entirely different question on our hands.– bornfromanegg
17 hours ago
@Battle The
legitimate charges of favouritism bit only applies if the OP is a manager. But if the OP is a manager, has been sexually harassed by one of his coworkers, and hasn't done anything about it at work, then we have an entirely different question on our hands.– bornfromanegg
17 hours ago
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You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
13 hours ago
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Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
That's because for some reason the title says event. If there was an "event" at my house I'd have to call the cops or the FD.
– Mazura
7 hours ago
1
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
4 hours ago
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You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
1
+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
13 hours ago
7
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
That's because for some reason the title says event. If there was an "event" at my house I'd have to call the cops or the FD.
– Mazura
7 hours ago
1
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
4 hours ago
add a comment |
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
answered 17 hours ago
SQBSQB
1,091715
1,091715
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
13 hours ago
7
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
That's because for some reason the title says event. If there was an "event" at my house I'd have to call the cops or the FD.
– Mazura
7 hours ago
1
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
4 hours ago
add a comment |
1
+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
13 hours ago
7
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
That's because for some reason the title says event. If there was an "event" at my house I'd have to call the cops or the FD.
– Mazura
7 hours ago
1
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
4 hours ago
1
1
+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
13 hours ago
+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
13 hours ago
7
7
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
That's because for some reason the title says event. If there was an "event" at my house I'd have to call the cops or the FD.
– Mazura
7 hours ago
That's because for some reason the title says event. If there was an "event" at my house I'd have to call the cops or the FD.
– Mazura
7 hours ago
1
1
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
4 hours ago
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
4 hours ago
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Yes it would be rude, and the possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
@JonBentley: Imagine you're chatting in a group of eight friends, and a ninth friend comes up and gives a separate, personal "Hi, <name>!" to each individual person in your group . . . except you. Would you not feel snubbed? If they'd only given personal hellos to one or two people, it would feel positive with respect to those people; but by giving them to all but one person, it instead feels negative about that person -- you. If you cared about that friendship, you might even talk to them later to make sure you hadn't offended them in some way.
– ruakh
3 hours ago
1
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
2 hours ago
@JonBentley: If the OP's list of "friends" includes every single coworker except one, then the obvious/natural interpretation is as a snub of that one. (And that interpretation seems to be correct: the OP's motivation for skipping that coworker is indeed that he's a problem, not that he just coincidentally happens to not be the OP's friend.)
– ruakh
2 hours ago
1
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
2 hours ago
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Yes it would be rude, and the possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
@JonBentley: Imagine you're chatting in a group of eight friends, and a ninth friend comes up and gives a separate, personal "Hi, <name>!" to each individual person in your group . . . except you. Would you not feel snubbed? If they'd only given personal hellos to one or two people, it would feel positive with respect to those people; but by giving them to all but one person, it instead feels negative about that person -- you. If you cared about that friendship, you might even talk to them later to make sure you hadn't offended them in some way.
– ruakh
3 hours ago
1
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
2 hours ago
@JonBentley: If the OP's list of "friends" includes every single coworker except one, then the obvious/natural interpretation is as a snub of that one. (And that interpretation seems to be correct: the OP's motivation for skipping that coworker is indeed that he's a problem, not that he just coincidentally happens to not be the OP's friend.)
– ruakh
2 hours ago
1
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
2 hours ago
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Yes it would be rude, and the possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
Yes it would be rude, and the possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
answered yesterday
dwjohnstondwjohnston
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From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
@JonBentley: Imagine you're chatting in a group of eight friends, and a ninth friend comes up and gives a separate, personal "Hi, <name>!" to each individual person in your group . . . except you. Would you not feel snubbed? If they'd only given personal hellos to one or two people, it would feel positive with respect to those people; but by giving them to all but one person, it instead feels negative about that person -- you. If you cared about that friendship, you might even talk to them later to make sure you hadn't offended them in some way.
– ruakh
3 hours ago
1
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
2 hours ago
@JonBentley: If the OP's list of "friends" includes every single coworker except one, then the obvious/natural interpretation is as a snub of that one. (And that interpretation seems to be correct: the OP's motivation for skipping that coworker is indeed that he's a problem, not that he just coincidentally happens to not be the OP's friend.)
– ruakh
2 hours ago
1
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
2 hours ago
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show 3 more comments
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
@JonBentley: Imagine you're chatting in a group of eight friends, and a ninth friend comes up and gives a separate, personal "Hi, <name>!" to each individual person in your group . . . except you. Would you not feel snubbed? If they'd only given personal hellos to one or two people, it would feel positive with respect to those people; but by giving them to all but one person, it instead feels negative about that person -- you. If you cared about that friendship, you might even talk to them later to make sure you hadn't offended them in some way.
– ruakh
3 hours ago
1
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
2 hours ago
@JonBentley: If the OP's list of "friends" includes every single coworker except one, then the obvious/natural interpretation is as a snub of that one. (And that interpretation seems to be correct: the OP's motivation for skipping that coworker is indeed that he's a problem, not that he just coincidentally happens to not be the OP's friend.)
– ruakh
2 hours ago
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Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
2 hours ago
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
12 hours ago
@JonBentley: Imagine you're chatting in a group of eight friends, and a ninth friend comes up and gives a separate, personal "Hi, <name>!" to each individual person in your group . . . except you. Would you not feel snubbed? If they'd only given personal hellos to one or two people, it would feel positive with respect to those people; but by giving them to all but one person, it instead feels negative about that person -- you. If you cared about that friendship, you might even talk to them later to make sure you hadn't offended them in some way.
– ruakh
3 hours ago
@JonBentley: Imagine you're chatting in a group of eight friends, and a ninth friend comes up and gives a separate, personal "Hi, <name>!" to each individual person in your group . . . except you. Would you not feel snubbed? If they'd only given personal hellos to one or two people, it would feel positive with respect to those people; but by giving them to all but one person, it instead feels negative about that person -- you. If you cared about that friendship, you might even talk to them later to make sure you hadn't offended them in some way.
– ruakh
3 hours ago
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@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
2 hours ago
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
2 hours ago
@JonBentley: If the OP's list of "friends" includes every single coworker except one, then the obvious/natural interpretation is as a snub of that one. (And that interpretation seems to be correct: the OP's motivation for skipping that coworker is indeed that he's a problem, not that he just coincidentally happens to not be the OP's friend.)
– ruakh
2 hours ago
@JonBentley: If the OP's list of "friends" includes every single coworker except one, then the obvious/natural interpretation is as a snub of that one. (And that interpretation seems to be correct: the OP's motivation for skipping that coworker is indeed that he's a problem, not that he just coincidentally happens to not be the OP's friend.)
– ruakh
2 hours ago
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Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
2 hours ago
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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You mention this person having harassed you and your wife on separate occasions. You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are doubting to invite that one bad person. How will your wife feel about that person being invited, you think, about inviting a harassing person into her own house? How will she react when she finds out you are even considering inviting that person? Why do you even care whether or not this is appropriate?
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
17 hours ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
16 hours ago
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
10 hours ago
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You mention this person having harassed you and your wife on separate occasions. You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are doubting to invite that one bad person. How will your wife feel about that person being invited, you think, about inviting a harassing person into her own house? How will she react when she finds out you are even considering inviting that person? Why do you even care whether or not this is appropriate?
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
17 hours ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
16 hours ago
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
10 hours ago
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You mention this person having harassed you and your wife on separate occasions. You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are doubting to invite that one bad person. How will your wife feel about that person being invited, you think, about inviting a harassing person into her own house? How will she react when she finds out you are even considering inviting that person? Why do you even care whether or not this is appropriate?
You mention this person having harassed you and your wife on separate occasions. You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are doubting to invite that one bad person. How will your wife feel about that person being invited, you think, about inviting a harassing person into her own house? How will she react when she finds out you are even considering inviting that person? Why do you even care whether or not this is appropriate?
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I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
17 hours ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
16 hours ago
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
10 hours ago
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I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
17 hours ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
16 hours ago
3
I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
10 hours ago
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
17 hours ago
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
17 hours ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
16 hours ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
16 hours ago
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
10 hours ago
I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
10 hours ago
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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– V2Blast
10 hours ago
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
6 hours ago
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
3 hours ago
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
1 hour ago
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
1 hour ago
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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– V2Blast
10 hours ago
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
6 hours ago
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
3 hours ago
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
1 hour ago
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
1 hour ago
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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10 hours ago
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
6 hours ago
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
3 hours ago
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
1 hour ago
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
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I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
6 hours ago
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
3 hours ago
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
1 hour ago
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
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1 hour ago
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I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
6 hours ago
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
6 hours ago
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
3 hours ago
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
3 hours ago
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
1 hour ago
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
1 hour ago
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
1 hour ago
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
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1 hour ago
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
22 hours ago
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@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
22 hours ago
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In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
16 hours ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
6 hours ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
4 hours ago
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
22 hours ago
3
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
22 hours ago
1
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
16 hours ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
6 hours ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
4 hours ago
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
22 hours ago
3
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
22 hours ago
1
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
16 hours ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
6 hours ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
4 hours ago
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
22 hours ago
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@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
22 hours ago
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In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
16 hours ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
6 hours ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
4 hours ago
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
22 hours ago
I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
22 hours ago
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@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
22 hours ago
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
22 hours ago
1
1
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
16 hours ago
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
16 hours ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
6 hours ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
6 hours ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
4 hours ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
4 hours ago
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
answered 8 hours ago
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
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– V2Blast
10 hours ago
If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
9 hours ago
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
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– V2Blast
10 hours ago
If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
9 hours ago
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
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– V2Blast
10 hours ago
If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
9 hours ago
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Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
10 hours ago
If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
9 hours ago
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
10 hours ago
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
10 hours ago
If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
9 hours ago
If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
9 hours ago
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
6 hours ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
2 hours ago
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
6 hours ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
2 hours ago
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
6 hours ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
2 hours ago
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
6 hours ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
2 hours ago
Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
6 hours ago
Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
6 hours ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
2 hours ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
2 hours ago
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
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It's not a work-related function so no it's inappropriate. I'd recommend adding significant others or other friends to the mix so it isn't just your work friends. Seems less cliquey that way.
– jcmack
yesterday
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
17 hours ago
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
– jcmack
8 hours ago