Using the Law of Cosines results in an “invalid” answer, why?











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I have the following isosceles triangle:



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I want to find the $alpha$ angle, and I know that it is obtuse.



My first instinct was to get the length of $BM$ using the Law of Cosines, which results in two answers: a negative one and a positive one; I immediately descredited the negative one because all lengths are assumed to be positive in geometry, or so have I assumed thus far...



$$BM^2 = x^2 + 0.25x^2 - x^2cos(50)$$



$$BM approx pm 0.78x$$



From here, I thought I could easily extrapolate $alpha$ by plugging it into the Law of Sines formula, but to my surprise I did not get the correct result, $alpha approx 100.53^circ$, but $alpha - 180 approx 79.47^circ$.



$$frac{BM}{sin(50)} = frac{x}{sin(alpha)}$$



$$downarrow$$



$$frac{0.78x}{sin(50)} = frac{x}{sin(alpha)}$$



$$downarrow$$



$$sin(alpha) = frac{xcdot sin(50)}{0.78x} rightarrow alpha approx 79.16^circ$$



I assume this is because I discredited what is a valid trigonometrical answer, but why is it? Until now I have been under the impression that all lengths of geometrical shapes must be positive.



I am aware there are other methods to solve this, but I am only particularly interested in why my specific one does not behave the way I want it to.



Thanks in advance.










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    The Law of Sines always gives the acute angle. When you know the angle is obtuse, you need to do the $v = 180^circ - v$.
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I have the following isosceles triangle:



enter image description here



I want to find the $alpha$ angle, and I know that it is obtuse.



My first instinct was to get the length of $BM$ using the Law of Cosines, which results in two answers: a negative one and a positive one; I immediately descredited the negative one because all lengths are assumed to be positive in geometry, or so have I assumed thus far...



$$BM^2 = x^2 + 0.25x^2 - x^2cos(50)$$



$$BM approx pm 0.78x$$



From here, I thought I could easily extrapolate $alpha$ by plugging it into the Law of Sines formula, but to my surprise I did not get the correct result, $alpha approx 100.53^circ$, but $alpha - 180 approx 79.47^circ$.



$$frac{BM}{sin(50)} = frac{x}{sin(alpha)}$$



$$downarrow$$



$$frac{0.78x}{sin(50)} = frac{x}{sin(alpha)}$$



$$downarrow$$



$$sin(alpha) = frac{xcdot sin(50)}{0.78x} rightarrow alpha approx 79.16^circ$$



I assume this is because I discredited what is a valid trigonometrical answer, but why is it? Until now I have been under the impression that all lengths of geometrical shapes must be positive.



I am aware there are other methods to solve this, but I am only particularly interested in why my specific one does not behave the way I want it to.



Thanks in advance.










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    The Law of Sines always gives the acute angle. When you know the angle is obtuse, you need to do the $v = 180^circ - v$.
    – Jens
    5 hours ago













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I have the following isosceles triangle:



enter image description here



I want to find the $alpha$ angle, and I know that it is obtuse.



My first instinct was to get the length of $BM$ using the Law of Cosines, which results in two answers: a negative one and a positive one; I immediately descredited the negative one because all lengths are assumed to be positive in geometry, or so have I assumed thus far...



$$BM^2 = x^2 + 0.25x^2 - x^2cos(50)$$



$$BM approx pm 0.78x$$



From here, I thought I could easily extrapolate $alpha$ by plugging it into the Law of Sines formula, but to my surprise I did not get the correct result, $alpha approx 100.53^circ$, but $alpha - 180 approx 79.47^circ$.



$$frac{BM}{sin(50)} = frac{x}{sin(alpha)}$$



$$downarrow$$



$$frac{0.78x}{sin(50)} = frac{x}{sin(alpha)}$$



$$downarrow$$



$$sin(alpha) = frac{xcdot sin(50)}{0.78x} rightarrow alpha approx 79.16^circ$$



I assume this is because I discredited what is a valid trigonometrical answer, but why is it? Until now I have been under the impression that all lengths of geometrical shapes must be positive.



I am aware there are other methods to solve this, but I am only particularly interested in why my specific one does not behave the way I want it to.



Thanks in advance.










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I have the following isosceles triangle:



enter image description here



I want to find the $alpha$ angle, and I know that it is obtuse.



My first instinct was to get the length of $BM$ using the Law of Cosines, which results in two answers: a negative one and a positive one; I immediately descredited the negative one because all lengths are assumed to be positive in geometry, or so have I assumed thus far...



$$BM^2 = x^2 + 0.25x^2 - x^2cos(50)$$



$$BM approx pm 0.78x$$



From here, I thought I could easily extrapolate $alpha$ by plugging it into the Law of Sines formula, but to my surprise I did not get the correct result, $alpha approx 100.53^circ$, but $alpha - 180 approx 79.47^circ$.



$$frac{BM}{sin(50)} = frac{x}{sin(alpha)}$$



$$downarrow$$



$$frac{0.78x}{sin(50)} = frac{x}{sin(alpha)}$$



$$downarrow$$



$$sin(alpha) = frac{xcdot sin(50)}{0.78x} rightarrow alpha approx 79.16^circ$$



I assume this is because I discredited what is a valid trigonometrical answer, but why is it? Until now I have been under the impression that all lengths of geometrical shapes must be positive.



I am aware there are other methods to solve this, but I am only particularly interested in why my specific one does not behave the way I want it to.



Thanks in advance.







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    The Law of Sines always gives the acute angle. When you know the angle is obtuse, you need to do the $v = 180^circ - v$.
    – Jens
    5 hours ago














  • 4




    The Law of Sines always gives the acute angle. When you know the angle is obtuse, you need to do the $v = 180^circ - v$.
    – Jens
    5 hours ago








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The Law of Sines always gives the acute angle. When you know the angle is obtuse, you need to do the $v = 180^circ - v$.
– Jens
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The Law of Sines always gives the acute angle. When you know the angle is obtuse, you need to do the $v = 180^circ - v$.
– Jens
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You have:



$sin alpha = frac {sin 50^circ}{sqrt {1.25 - cos 50^circ}}$



There are 2 values for $alpha$ between $0$ and $180^circ$ such that $sin alpha = frac {sin 50^circ}{sqrt {1.25 - cos 50^circ}}$



one is approximately $79.4^circ$ the other is $180-79.4approx 100.6$



The $arcsin$ function on your calculator will return an answer in the interval $[-90,90]$ and you may need to go from there to find the angle you are actually looking for.






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  • Just to drive the point home to the OP: discarding the negative answer is correct. The law of cosines works just fine, but when using $arcsin$ to solve problems it only finds one possible solution, not all possible solutions.
    – Jason DeVito
    5 hours ago










  • I understand. Thank you.
    – daedsidog
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You have:



$sin alpha = frac {sin 50^circ}{sqrt {1.25 - cos 50^circ}}$



There are 2 values for $alpha$ between $0$ and $180^circ$ such that $sin alpha = frac {sin 50^circ}{sqrt {1.25 - cos 50^circ}}$



one is approximately $79.4^circ$ the other is $180-79.4approx 100.6$



The $arcsin$ function on your calculator will return an answer in the interval $[-90,90]$ and you may need to go from there to find the angle you are actually looking for.






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  • Just to drive the point home to the OP: discarding the negative answer is correct. The law of cosines works just fine, but when using $arcsin$ to solve problems it only finds one possible solution, not all possible solutions.
    – Jason DeVito
    5 hours ago










  • I understand. Thank you.
    – daedsidog
    5 hours ago















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You have:



$sin alpha = frac {sin 50^circ}{sqrt {1.25 - cos 50^circ}}$



There are 2 values for $alpha$ between $0$ and $180^circ$ such that $sin alpha = frac {sin 50^circ}{sqrt {1.25 - cos 50^circ}}$



one is approximately $79.4^circ$ the other is $180-79.4approx 100.6$



The $arcsin$ function on your calculator will return an answer in the interval $[-90,90]$ and you may need to go from there to find the angle you are actually looking for.






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  • Just to drive the point home to the OP: discarding the negative answer is correct. The law of cosines works just fine, but when using $arcsin$ to solve problems it only finds one possible solution, not all possible solutions.
    – Jason DeVito
    5 hours ago










  • I understand. Thank you.
    – daedsidog
    5 hours ago













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You have:



$sin alpha = frac {sin 50^circ}{sqrt {1.25 - cos 50^circ}}$



There are 2 values for $alpha$ between $0$ and $180^circ$ such that $sin alpha = frac {sin 50^circ}{sqrt {1.25 - cos 50^circ}}$



one is approximately $79.4^circ$ the other is $180-79.4approx 100.6$



The $arcsin$ function on your calculator will return an answer in the interval $[-90,90]$ and you may need to go from there to find the angle you are actually looking for.






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You have:



$sin alpha = frac {sin 50^circ}{sqrt {1.25 - cos 50^circ}}$



There are 2 values for $alpha$ between $0$ and $180^circ$ such that $sin alpha = frac {sin 50^circ}{sqrt {1.25 - cos 50^circ}}$



one is approximately $79.4^circ$ the other is $180-79.4approx 100.6$



The $arcsin$ function on your calculator will return an answer in the interval $[-90,90]$ and you may need to go from there to find the angle you are actually looking for.







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  • Just to drive the point home to the OP: discarding the negative answer is correct. The law of cosines works just fine, but when using $arcsin$ to solve problems it only finds one possible solution, not all possible solutions.
    – Jason DeVito
    5 hours ago










  • I understand. Thank you.
    – daedsidog
    5 hours ago


















  • Just to drive the point home to the OP: discarding the negative answer is correct. The law of cosines works just fine, but when using $arcsin$ to solve problems it only finds one possible solution, not all possible solutions.
    – Jason DeVito
    5 hours ago










  • I understand. Thank you.
    – daedsidog
    5 hours ago
















Just to drive the point home to the OP: discarding the negative answer is correct. The law of cosines works just fine, but when using $arcsin$ to solve problems it only finds one possible solution, not all possible solutions.
– Jason DeVito
5 hours ago




Just to drive the point home to the OP: discarding the negative answer is correct. The law of cosines works just fine, but when using $arcsin$ to solve problems it only finds one possible solution, not all possible solutions.
– Jason DeVito
5 hours ago












I understand. Thank you.
– daedsidog
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I understand. Thank you.
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